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Old 07-11-2010, 08:51 PM   #81
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I can see this being like the "His Dark Materials" series.

The Golden Compass was actually a pretty entertaining book with a unique premise and a hell of a twist ending. The first sequel was decent, but not nearly on par with the original. The third book was terrible and I only finished it out of a hope that at some point he could fix the damage he'd done. Then, it was released as a film, which was absolutely horrid and left out the twist at the end that made the sequels happen in the first place. The movie was so bad, that was the last we've heard of the proposed trilogy. I doubt we'll ever see the other two movies get made unless somebody steps in and "reboots" them (since that seems to be the trend). Why bother making sequels from inferior source material when you can't bother to make a good movie out of the one great story in the bunch?

"Avatar: The Last Airbender" was an incredible series. As has been mentioned, the third season wasn't quite to the level that the first was, but it wound up building to an incredible climax that satisfactorily wrapped up a very well-done cartoon. And then M. Night Shyamalan made the movie... I don't think we'll see sequels.

Or, rather, I won't see sequels...
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Old 07-11-2010, 09:17 PM   #82
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There'll be sequels, it made dough. M. Night may not return. They want the trilogy trust me, this is Nick's big blockbuster series.
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I can see this being like the "His Dark Materials" series.

The Golden Compass was actually a pretty entertaining book with a unique premise and a hell of a twist ending. The first sequel was decent, but not nearly on par with the original. The third book was terrible and I only finished it out of a hope that at some point he could fix the damage he'd done. Then, it was released as a film, which was absolutely horrid and left out the twist at the end that made the sequels happen in the first place. The movie was so bad, that was the last we've heard of the proposed trilogy. I doubt we'll ever see the other two movies get made unless somebody steps in and "reboots" them (since that seems to be the trend). Why bother making sequels from inferior source material when you can't bother to make a good movie out of the one great story in the bunch?

"Avatar: The Last Airbender" was an incredible series. As has been mentioned, the third season wasn't quite to the level that the first was, but it wound up building to an incredible climax that satisfactorily wrapped up a very well-done cartoon. And then M. Night Shyamalan made the movie... I don't think we'll see sequels.

Or, rather, I won't see sequels...
I see what you're saying, sort of, but TLA did thus far about a million less than what The Golden Compass did total. And that's not factoring in this weekend. It has less to do with the later, possibly inferior books than it does with the box offices being shite. Sometimes, it's for the best that we won't see sequels (Hitchhiker's Guide, Eragon, possibly TGP) and others will probably kill any hope of a franchise (Though if The Seeker is the best they could do with the Dark Is Rising, it deserved to die), but it's mostly about the money.

If TLAcontinues to make money, we will. See. A sequel.

In fact, we'll probably see one anyway.

Personally, I think the lack of imagination in the movie hurt TGP more than the lack of the "twist ending." Either way, it could be as bad as Eragon, and still get a sequel if it did as well as say, the Narnia movies.
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That's Earthbending in the Last Airbending which just kills me. 7 guys to float one little rock? Seriouslly?

Just no...NO!
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That's Earthbending in the Last Airbending which just kills me. 7 guys to float one little rock? Seriouslly?

Just no...NO!
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Yeah, I was at least expecting cool fight scenes, but besides the finale, they were all pretty lame. I'm the type of person who can relax his criticisms, and enjoy these movies for what they are. So for me to have enjoyed this so little, is pretty telling.
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I mean I enjoyed Transformers 2 ffs.
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The cartoon was awesome, what of it?
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Ok, don't really have much to say about this movie or the cartoon, but Signs...

It was a great movie right until the end. Sorry Jerry, but I was drunk when I saw the shit and even then I was like "are you shitting me? How would they not burst into flame just stepping out of their ship? Humidity is a motherfucker!"
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I dunno, I still think Signs was pretty mediocre. The "Family perspective" would have worked better if any of them had personalities, or a real dynamic. Almost everything in the movie was flat, understated, subdued, and muted. I mean, you can say "that was the intent," but that's totally bad for a suspenseful movie.

I mean, ignore the logical constraints, and I still think it's retarded to say that a movie that is supposed to build like this should divorce itself from logic, by the climax, I didn't give a shit whether or not anyone lived or died. You don't even need to get into the fuckers running through damp crops at night. It's all predicated on bullshit.
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The cartoon was awesome, what of it?
Never said it wasn't. But "awesome" and "greatest contribution to American animation" are two very different things.
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Never said it wasn't. But "awesome" and "greatest contribution to American animation" are two very different things.
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Do you care to share any reasons for your stance Kalyx?
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Actually I caught what may have irked a few of you the wrong way but it would be pointless to explain myself beyond my original point. I feels how I feel, that's it. Sure that's a far cry from my VG forum antics but I pick my battles outside of that region.

If I were to list the top ten cartoons I feel added to the overall scheme of things, I'd be adding Avatar to the list. Placed rather high. Perhaps I phrased it wrong before, and if that makes you feel better than go with it.

I think Avatar's important overall.
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I'm not asking you to prove the validity of having an opinion. I'm just curious to hear actual reasons. That doesn't seem like the type of claim one would throw out without having an actual argument, I'd think.
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Well it goes into the culture of animation, but first some personal history...

I first heard about Avatar when everyone else did. I saw a commercial and figured, "Nick's licensed anime? Odd." Paid no mind that season. I first saw a few episodes in the second season and while completely lost story wise, I seen enough to find out not only was it American, but a damn good show. This was also the time I stopped watching TV so I didn't follow from there - figured I'd catch up via DVD someday. I heard about the awards and the rabid fanbase years since. When the movie was announced I was doubly interested; a cartoon adaptation made by M. Night. So I figure the cartoon's on Netflix and I could get the first season out of the way before I see the movie and be 'in the know' as far as source material goes. I ended up finishing the series.

Years ago when I was pleading with my friend to give Avatar a chance I tried to coax him by likening it as "American-Anime". I was wrong in hindsight; Avatar is very American 'toon, but also anime... And now that I finished the series, I can say trying to label it either is foolish. Without even mentioning overall quality, I was simply impressed with how the many influences the creators drew together meshed so well. The tropes of both cartoon and anime combined to be something rather transcendent, and greater than both. I last felt this way about JLU, and I thought about how all the great cartoons seemed to have qualities of both media to help it ascend beyond the bullshit flash animation cash-in vest that is current animation.

Or maybe it's just a good show.

Anyway I feel Avatar joins the ranks of the great animated series, rubbing elbows with the likes of Samurai Jack and Batman TAS, because you can't quite nail what it is. And then you feel silly for trying. It just is. It just works. And I'm proud that a few Yanks put it together on a personal level because our shit-to-awesome ratio is lopsided as fuck. For this alone I rank Avatar as one of the most important American contributions to animation in general. It's a modern cultural thing, I try not to subscribe to the notion that all the best examples are the old ones. The Black Cauldron and The Lion King were great, I get it.

Sorry if any of this seemed "bold", I meant no attention grabbing hyperbole. This is just how I view things based on what I know.
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I'm definitely going to check it out sooner or later. I usually loathe most modern animation styles, but Avatar looks pretty good, and I hear good things about the quality of the show itself.

A lot of new cartoons seem too stylized, to the point where they seem like they're trying to be different for the sake of being different. Either that or they're incredibly bland.
Perhaps it's just my tastes being dialed into the styles I grew up on. With older cartoons, a lot of them are refreshing in their colorful simplicity. Others feel unique and creative without coming off as trying too hard.
This does look nice though. I also liked the art from Samurai Jack and the Clone Wars cartoons, as far as modern stuff goes.
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The funny thing about Samurai Jack (and to an extent Clone Wars(2D) and the post TAS Bruce Timm series) is that they led the way for the current 'Animated' style where the art is highly stylized and simplified. While I usually applaud going for style instead of trying to replicate comic books, the fad was misused. When Tranformers Animated came out I couldn't help but feel something went wrong. It is a good show with many homages for us old Transfans, but did it have to Animated style.

Also found it funny that while they are all animations, only recently did we dub something 'Animated Style'. teehee

Well there's a wrong way to do anything, I guess. Also; Andrea Romano seems to be attached to all the best shows. I can hear the difference when she's on board.
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When I see new cartoon series for certain things, I have a "what the fuck is that shit" reaction the animation.
Mostly for comic book series. I just preferred the simple Spiderman and X-Men styles, even if it wasn't technically as good of animation. I don't like the modern stuff where the proportions are all exaggerated and it's injected with style to the max.
I sort of felt the same way when I saw the new Ninja Turtles.
The Batman TAS style was perfect, and from what I've seen they continued to "improve" upon it until it was shit.

I'm sure nostalgia plays a big role, but not fully since there are plenty of things I've seen that I don't totally scoff at.
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Avatar: The Legend of Korra is a sequel series that will take place 100 years after Aang pwned Phoenix King Ozai. The past series, Avatar: The Last Airbender, was rechristened Avatar: Legend of Aang a while ago - presumably for consistency in name.

So I guess we'll meet a new Avatar. This should quell hate for the movie, as this show is handled by the creators. Still didn't see the movie, though.
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When I see new cartoon series for certain things, I have a "what the fuck is that shit" reaction the animation.
Mostly for comic book series. I just preferred the simple Spiderman and X-Men styles, even if it wasn't technically as good of animation. I don't like the modern stuff where the proportions are all exaggerated and it's injected with style to the max.
I sort of felt the same way when I saw the new Ninja Turtles.
The Batman TAS style was perfect, and from what I've seen they continued to "improve" upon it until it was shit.

I'm sure nostalgia plays a big role, but not fully since there are plenty of things I've seen that I don't totally scoff at.
Stylised art is cool, but Hella overdone. Spider-Man and X-Men were terribly animated, but they were at least leaps and bounds above the art standards for comics at the time, so it's still a neutral deal to me.
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Old 07-17-2010, 11:57 AM   #106
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Yeah, most 90's art was fucking awful.
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Chick they have lined up as live-action Azula is kinda hot.
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Chick they have lined up as live-action Azula is kinda hot.
Which means Kal's gonna watch it like 50 times now.
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TLA has now done 115 Million bucks at the box office, so says Rotten Tomatoes.

Yeah. Pretty sure this is getting its sequels, no matter how much people don't want it.
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It's only done 20 million outside of the states.

The production budget was 150 million, which doesn't count marketing or 3D conversion. They'll be lucky if it breaks even.

It may get sequels but I wouldn't call it a sure thing at all
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I call few things a sure thing.

They'll make enough for sequels to be justified.
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Sometimes studios will go ahead with a sequel to a movie that only breaks even, but not often.
This movie is significantly under total for it's budget. It could be the type of thing that does well on DVD though.
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This movie is significantly under total for it's budget. It could be the type of thing that does well on DVD though.
1. The cost estimate is one of about ten numbers, and you're taking the worst case scenario.

2. Commercially, it's already being marked a success. Seems a little odd they'd do that if it was the money sink you make it out to be. Even media spin

3. They're trying to franchise the fucker.

4. International releases were skethcy at first. Might be important in the low overseas.

They're not going to be lucky to break even unless the worst case scenario numbers are true. They won't have the next Harry Potter on their hands, but they will have a known franchise with marketing ties.

In all probability, the sequels will happen. I'd not shed a tear if they killed it, but hey, I wouldn't shed a tear if a firebomb took every M Night movie out of existence, either. I'm certainly not rooting for it to happen, but in all probability, it will happen. And in slightly less certain but still strong probability, the green light will be given before TLA is out on DVD.
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I'm not making it out to be a money sink. You said it made 115 million, and I checked the budget. It's not going to make much more money this far out from the release in a competitive summer season.
I could care less if they make sequels or not. I have no dog in the fight. I'm not trying to fudge anything in hopes that it won't happen.
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Hey kids. Relatively new here so I figured I would chime in on this flick. I've never seen the animated series, but I had the urge to pay 8 of my hard earned dollars to see if Night could pull out another "masterpiece". While Unbreakable and The Sixth Sense were the only two movies of his that actually impressed me as a whole, I figured that his recent run of crap just couldn't continue (Happening, Lady in the Water, Village). While his efforts were ambitious, I took absolutely nothing positive away from my experience. The performances from the kids were dreadful, the set pieces looked cheesy, the special effects were nothing special, and I swear the 3D element added absolutely nothing to the experiences. While I could see where fans would want to see the story completed on the big screen, I see the only possible way of doing so would be to get the franchise out of Night's hands. He has clearly lost "something" and I hope he finds it again because he USED to be able to wow audiences....sadly that was 10 years ago.

Anyways...rambling on....Jeritron, the marketing budget alone for this movie is $130 million. So put The Last Airbender $160 million short of breaking even. Not a good sign for a sequel.
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Meet Korra, the new Avatar!:



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The Legend of Korra takes place 70 years after the events of Avatar: The Last Airbender and follows the adventures of the Avatar after Aang – a passionate, rebellious, and fearless teenaged girl from the Southern Water Tribe named Korra. With three of the four elements under her belt (Earth, Water, and Fire), Korra seeks to master the final element, Air. Her quest leads her to the epicenter of the modern "Avatar" world, Republic City – a metropolis that is fueled by steampunk technology. It is a virtual melting pot where benders and non-benders from all nations live and thrive. However, Korra discovers that Republic City is plagued by crime as well as a growing anti-bending revolution that threatens to rip it apart. Under the tutelage of Aang's son, Tenzin, Korra begins her airbending training while dealing with the dangers at large.
So pumped for the sequel series.

70yrs is well below the rumored 100yr jump, and as it's been established that characters can live for a long time in that universe, perhaps we'll see some cameos. Avatar Beyond woooooooo.
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I saw the movie. I'm going to say that I thought that it did a good job summarizing the first season but had bad dialog that made it hard for the actors to do anything with. Sokka's comedic pessimism wasn't there, it was replaced with non-comedic and very uninteresting pessimism. In fact they got so into trying to hit on all the little things they did throughout book one, the characters didn't get a chance to do anything to get themselves over. Better dialog and more time may have made this movie 10 X better.

Ha ha at the 7 guys to move one rock gif. If I remember right the cartoon had them actually taking care of a bit of business.
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