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Old 07-02-2010, 08:49 PM   #41
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Word on the street is that every year M. Night makes a movie it ends up being considered the worst of the year.

I haven't seen this yet and don't really want to, so I can't judge, but it looks awful and I don't doubt it does suck from the massive blasting of it.
What the fuck happened to him? He went from top notch and promising to the worst director on the planet.
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Old 07-02-2010, 09:01 PM   #42
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Word on the street is that every year M. Night makes a movie it ends up being considered the worst of the year.

I haven't seen this yet and don't really want to, so I can't judge, but it looks awful and I don't doubt it does suck from the massive blasting of it.
What the fuck happened to him? He went from top notch and promising to the worst director on the planet.
That, sir, is the $64,000 question.
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Old 07-02-2010, 09:08 PM   #43
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I think the problem is probably that he has a massive ego and has to write everything he directs. He's not a good writer anymore.
He had some very good concepts at first, but he exhaused them and now that success has gone to his head and he insists on having 100% control over everything he does, and it ultimately ends up being 100% shit.
He is pretty good behind the camera. His career would probably be far better off if he took some good scripts from other people and put his talent to them, but he seems hellbent on making pretentious movies full of exposition and facepalm moments, that more often than not revolve around him.

It's a shame, because Sixth Sense, Unbreakable and Signs are three movies I adore, while everything since then has been some of the worst big budget moviemaking I've ever seen.
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Old 07-02-2010, 09:13 PM   #44
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He's great at making trailers. He could probably make more money just making trailers for other people's movies.
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Old 07-02-2010, 09:23 PM   #45
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Guys I saw it with my little brother and sister. Needless to say, when my brother turned to me and said "this sucks", I knew Shymalamadingdong had failed. There were literally so many things wrong, I honestly have no idea where to start.

Aside from the fact that alot was cut out (which I suppose could be justified but remained annoying), many little things were changed for little to no reason that made it hard to endure for those who enjoyed the show.

For those who didnt know the show and were new to it were pretty much left for dead thanks to the flat script and two dimensional acting.
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I'm not sure what happened during Lady in the Water, but I had heard that Disney got wind of how bad the movie was and they essentially told him that it sucked too much to put out under their name, and he was told to change it, and he left.

It got made elsewhere (WB I think?), but that was pretty much his undoing. The word at the time was pretty much that he'd lost his mind and it was the beginning of the end. I think I also heard there was a book about the whole ordeal released around the time of the movie.
I am going to look into it.

I swear to God, I think Lady in the Water is the worst real budget movie that I have ever seen in theaters.
I have seen worse movies in my life, but they are either B-movies, low budget crap, or straight to television/dvd garbage. Or they are flops I have happened to see years later.
As far as I can remember, it's the worst movie I have ever gone and seen in a movie theater.
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He is also getting killed, because he didn't cast any Asians in the movie.
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Started watching the cartoon the other night after I got tired of the queerfest that is Legend of the Seeker. It's certainly a fun and entertaining show, and it's a shame to see the movie get hammered this hard. Then again, with M Knight Sherman Tank onboard, I kind of expected it.

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He is also getting killed, because he didn't cast any Asians in the movie.

He did but they were minor characters, literally showed up in half of a scene. GOD THE DIALOGUE WAS SO BAD
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I'm curious where his career goes from here though. I can't believe he was allowed to make this after the last few movies.
After Lady in the Water, he tried to go for an R rated picture, after that he tried to go for the children's movie genre. What is next?
I'm curious if there reaches a point where studios just stop hiring him to direct movies.
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I see on IMDB "Signs" is rated 6.9. That's not a bad rating on Imdb, but that was a pretty good movie. Maybe even better then a pretty good movie. That deserves better then 6.9.

That's just M. Night backlash.
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Signs has a lot of detractors too. Not near the movies that came after it, but it seems like people either really loved it or really hated it.
I know a few people who think it sucks. I don't see why. I think it's fantastic
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Then The Village had a lot of people who hated it, and some who liked it. I was really disappointed in The Village. It wasn't an awful movie like Lady in the Water or The Happening. It was interesting, well made and creepy for about 3/4 of the film. Then the obligatory twist undercut the whole thing and killed the movie. That's why it's really disappointing, because there was a good movie in there that was lost.

Normally I don't pine about how the story should have gone, as long as it's a good story and well executed. The twist was so assinine and damaging though. It changed what the entire enjoyment of the film was about. That's part of the deal with twist endings. If you're going to do them, you have to be prepared for people to have an opinion on the story because you're changing it on them once they're invested, rather than just telling it your way.
In that respect, I think it's more warranted for audiences to speak out on "what they would have done"
If you pull a bait and switch you have to make sure the switch is better than the bait.

I always wished that movie continued to shine all the way through.
For those who remember the plot, I always sort of felt that having the creatures in the woods end up being real and even scarier than the ones the elders posed as would have been incredible. It could have turned out that the elders were posing as them just to keep the people from actually going into the woods.
Someone should have told him that he had a good story there and didn't need to force an awful twist.

Perhaps he felt that's what he had to do everytime he made a movie? Or perhaps he became addicted to the idea of working the audience? Either way it was a mistake. He took the suprise ending thing one movie too far, and he became kind of a joke at that moment.
I think that's probably what led him to try to get away from his style, and slowly get worse and worse. That and supposedly being batshit crazy.
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signs was an 8 out of 10. It was smart, dramatic and had build and mystery behind it.

Six Sense was a 9 out of 10. Love this movie and could watch it again any time.

The Village was a 4 out of 10. Miserable film with very little redeeming qualities

Lady On The Water was also a 4 out of 10. Blah. Paul Giamatti didn't even save this shite.



The Happening was also a 4 out of 10. Not at all what it looked like and not at all good.



I wanna see Airbender but I would be even more excited if he wasn't the director...I really did love him in the 90's and early 00's but since then he has done shit movies.
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ahahaha this was soooooooooooooooo bad. Acting was the worst I've ever seen, but hard to blame them with the terrible dialogue they were given. The other stupid part was that EVERYTHING was narrarated and explained instead of actually showing it through good writing.

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so it is another Star Wars Episode 1 then according to your analysis.
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Not sure why The Happening gets ripped so much of his latest movies I thought it was definetly one of the better ones sure it wasn't anything special but I was watchable a least I thought.
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Also schlomey, you forgot Unbreakable. Awesome movie.
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Unbreakable was awesome.

The Happening gets ripped because it was horrendous, just to clear that up.
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This wasn't very good...they change the pronunciation of names too for no reason whatsoever. If the source material was a book or something I can understand, but the source is a cartoon so there should be no misunderstanding.
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Signs has a lot of detractors too. Not near the movies that came after it, but it seems like people either really loved it or really hated it.
I know a few people who think it sucks. I don't see why. I think it's fantastic
It's fantastic as long as you don't stop to think.
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I imagine The Last Airbender is similarly fantastic as long as you don't stop to think.
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Are you one of those people who bitches that the aliens want to take over earth but are allergic to water?

There's also a difference between a movie being poorly made, and having a problem with the logistics of the premise
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Also schlomey, you forgot Unbreakable. Awesome movie.
i forgot it because I have yet to see it
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Are you one of those people who bitches that the aliens want to take over earth but are allergic to water?

There's also a difference between a movie being poorly made, and having a problem with the logistics of the premise
I don't bitch. I was actually amused. But is that really the only thing you can think of that was logistically wrong?

And can you really not find elements besides logistics?

I'm sure you could make the same arguments with TLA. I mean, just because the script is poor and they left things out doesn't mean it was "poorly made."

Hell, I'm half-tempted to watch "The Lady in the Water" now to see if I could apply it there.
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I found Signs interesting and suspenseful for a thriller about alien invasion, and quite liked the premise examined from the POV of a family rather than a large scale world event.

I thought LIW was a droning, pretentious, awfully paced, boring and convaluted movie that was horribly made and written.

It's a matter of taste I guess
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What a goofy fucking movie. Many hilarious moments though. And lol at Aasif Mandvi as one of the main villains.
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I just finished The Last Airbender's entire series and I'm interested in seeing a) if the movie is actually as bad as people say or if it's prejudice against a director with a 50-50 failure chance and b) if it is bad, how in the blue Hell M. Night turned quite possibly the greatest American contribution to animation into a terrible movie. Probably gonna watch it next weekend.
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I haven't seen the series but I feel like the greatest American contribution to animation would probably be Steamboat Mickey, or Snow White, Toy Story, or something like The Simpsons.
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I say that just based on influence on animation and importance, not really taste or quality (although they're all awesome.)

But anyways, everyone seems to love the cartoon of this so much though that I'd like to see it. I can't believe it's a "Nicktoon"
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It's 'wtf' good. Sort of like JLU where you wonder why more cartoons aren't this good. Season 3 has gimmick episodes (as most shows do in their end points), but Avatar's end game gimmicks are fuckin entertaining and awesomely random. You will not believe they used the typical 'beach' episode to homage a Breakfast Club-like 'share feelings' scene; and that's not even a spoiler by the time you get there it will work.

Season three also has Indiana Jones, superhero, and horror story gimmicks - and they all work. Season 1 and 2 owns, of course but S3 blew me away by taking a common weakness and rocking with it.

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I haven't seen the series but I feel like the greatest American contribution to animation would probably be Steamboat Mickey, or Snow White, Toy Story, or something like The Simpsons.
Yeah, but they're not Animu style so Kal won't fap over them.

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I say that just based on influence on animation and importance, not really taste or quality (although they're all awesome.)

But anyways, everyone seems to love the cartoon of this so much though that I'd like to see it. I can't believe it's a "Nicktoon"
The cartoon's pretty damn good, I must say. I started watching it recently, whcih had less to do with the movie and more to do with it being near the top of my Netflix Instant Queue now. As it is, I'm only seeing the movie in theaters if I can go with friends.

But they did good with this. It's cute, sometimes overly so, but it's got well developed characters, an engaging story, depth and heart. And while I'm not going to go all "fanboy" on the movie, it took me all of four episodes to figure out that there was no way they could do a solid translation of each "book" of the series in a 1:1 format.

One of the big complaints about the movie is the characters were largely left on the cutting room floor. Their personalities, their backstories, their motivations. And while the faux kung fu is cool, without the characterization of the show, it's not going to be all that charming.

Granted, I'll probably rent it for the HD Kung Fu factor. I just can't see it being good because most of the things that make it good won't happen in a 90 minute movie. The episodic nature of the cartoon works pretty well for it, as opposed to benig a Simpsons-esque "The Status Quo Is God" deal (not to pick on the Simpsons, since they parody, you know, every sitcom ever).

That being said, There was bound to be nerdrage over a believed cartoon, even if the movie was good and M Nuit Sherbert wasn't attached to it. It's a common problem with translations, period. It's just that it looks like they may have missed the mark here entirely.
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