11-08-2015, 11:42 AM | #4361 |
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Gallardo would be a nice grab too if he doesn't stay with the rangers.
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11-08-2015, 12:03 PM | #4362 |
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I'm not saying just sign anyone. There's plenty of depth on the starting pitching market that could be exploited. Maybe Greinke and Price don't happen, but there's guys like Zimmerman who will command big but not as big money.
Given Shapiro's feelings on AA selling the farm and going for it this year, and the now sudden interest in a big money bat, think it's fair top state the Jays are currently unpredictable. |
11-08-2015, 12:42 PM | #4363 |
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Yeah nobody really knows where the hell the jays are going. I think the Shapiro/AA phone call is a fabrication though. The moves they make will do the talking. But I don't think Shapiro is coming to Toronto to lose.
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11-08-2015, 12:45 PM | #4364 |
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Zimmermann and Gallardo should be the 2 main targets tho. Only problem is who Rly wants to come to Toronto?
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11-08-2015, 01:11 PM | #4365 |
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Anyone of they get paid. Money talks. Those are two good and realistic options for Toronto.
Meanwhile, in Padres land, our local shit paper is reporting the Padres are actually trying to free up payroll and are to move James Shields, Derek Norris, Joaquin Benoit and possibly Kimbrel. Excluding whatever Norris gets, the other three combine for nearly $40 million in payroll relief, assuming they wouldn't take any on I moving them. That's two quality free agents. I'm all for Norris, Benoit and Kimbrel moving. Before Preller, and even Josh Byrnes, the Padres made living on acquiring cheap relief pitching and turning them into quality bullpen pieces. I'm not keen on having relievers, and closers, making nearly as much as the team's best starter for a third of the production. Benoit may be a hard sell, as part of the reason in acquiring Kimbrel was due to Benoit being unable to consistently go back to back days. And while $8 mil is not terrible for someone with his production record, he's nearing 40 and his peripheral numbers do not support him maintaining his typically low strand and run prevention rates. Kimbrel is undoubtedly great. Going into to last year, using his career innings as the qualifier, he was, arguably, the best reliever of all time, including Rivera. That's great and all, but it's a useless piece at his price on a team that's likely going to be a 75-80 win team. He's still young, and would be the best relief arm on the market, free agent or otherwise. Question is do needs a closer bad enough to make up for what was given up for him in return. Norris is a decent player. Some pop. Before last year, drew a decent amount of walks, not terrible defensively. However, Austin Hedges is defensively ready now and his glove is rated as good as any top defensive catcher in the game. He needs to play, and with catcher being a thin position always, I think Norris has solid trade value. Shields is the guy I would not move. He's coming off a down year, so value is low. Hits homerun rate was abnormal, but he touched highs in strikeout rates, so there's reason to believe he'll bounce back and return to form. There's also the fact that he's owed $21 mil each of the next three years. Hard sell coming off a bad season. The starter I would trade is Ross. Tons of strikeouts, tons of groundballs, still in his prime and making less than market value. I think Ross long term is not going to hold due to poor mechanics and terrible command. Last year, hitters were noticeably laying off his slider and it took mixing in more changeups to turn his year around. He was actually about a win better last year than the year before. Given the deep market of pitching, it may dampen his value, however, given he's still got team control for two more seasons, and won't cost a draft pick and free agent money, teams may be willing to trade value for his services of they feel the free agent market is beyond their grasp. The Padres biggest concern right now is defense, which they were near league worst in across the board, and balancing out an awfully right hande lineup with few average or better options. They have a spectacular defensive catcher in hand already. Packaging Norris, Ross and Kimbrel in some, easy shape or form could help them net a quality shortstop and centerfielder. I am going the all-star game being in town doesn't blind ownership once more and that they reset the direction of the franchise by building for the future now after giving it away last season. |
11-09-2015, 02:44 PM | #4366 |
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Baring any shenanigans, Ken Griffey Jr and Trevor Hoffman likely going into the Hall as 1st year eligable players. Very crowded ballot for this year with 15 new guys along with the leftovers from last year's ballot.
Maybe even Mike Piazza this year although might be tough with all the new guys. |
11-09-2015, 03:14 PM | #4367 |
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Wake me up after next season. Maybe the Braves will decide to do something then.
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11-09-2015, 03:15 PM | #4368 |
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Piazza's vote totals have trended upward enough to suggest he'll get in next year barring a change of heart from voters. Went from 59% to 62% all the way to 69.9% last year. It really wouldn't take too many more votes to get him in.
If he doesn't get in this year he could be in trouble for 2017 because Pudge is eligible, and with the exception of starting pitchers there seems to be a weird phobia some voters have about putting in guys who played the same position in the same class. |
11-09-2015, 03:27 PM | #4369 |
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I would be stunned if Trevor Hoffman got in first ballot. And while being a Padres fan my whole life leads me to hope he gets recognition, I'm also of the mind relievers, and closers in particular, are generally overrated. When the 300 saves club has accumulated a comparable amount of members as the 3000 hit club despite the save being a fairly new stat, it's a joke.
I'm having a hard time seeing anyone getting in from a closers standpoint other than Rivera. At least in terms of being a shoe in. |
11-09-2015, 03:39 PM | #4370 |
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I think Hoffman will definitely go in but it'll be a few years. Wagner may have an outside chance too but he'll flirt with running out of time on the ballot.
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11-09-2015, 03:40 PM | #4371 |
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HOF has been historically resistant to closers getting in let alone getting in on the first ballot. Lee Smith barely got in and he's considered one of the best closers of all time.
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11-09-2015, 04:16 PM | #4372 |
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Is Smith even in the hall? Fairly certain he's still waiting around.
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11-09-2015, 04:16 PM | #4373 |
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Twins win the Byung-ho Park sweepstakes.
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11-09-2015, 04:19 PM | #4374 | |
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11-09-2015, 04:37 PM | #4375 |
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How does the shift effect his ability to draw walks? The shift is going to effect his batting average more than anything.
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11-09-2015, 04:43 PM | #4376 |
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Here's the full ballot for 2016.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2016.shtml Writers can vote for up to 10. If I had a vote my ballot would be: Bagwell Bonds Clemens Griffey Martinez McGwire Piazza Raines Schilling Sosa Always found it ridiculous to leave out the steroid guys even if a bunch of them are assholes. |
11-09-2015, 05:05 PM | #4377 |
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11-09-2015, 05:06 PM | #4378 |
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Trying to think like Droford a bit, there. Is there even a category for AVG vs the shift?
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11-09-2015, 05:15 PM | #4379 |
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He's not going to get as many walks if he signs in Toronto IMO, as pitchers would definitely walk either/any of Donaldson/Bautista/EE to GET to Davis for the potential K.....
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11-09-2015, 06:36 PM | #4380 |
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To which they'd pay dearly since he's not an automatic out and has more power than just about anyone not named Stanton.
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11-09-2015, 07:36 PM | #4381 |
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Hoffman's numbers are ridiculous though, hard to believe he'd struggle to get in. Arguably the 2nd best closer of all time (at least statistically speaking).
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11-09-2015, 08:48 PM | #4382 |
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11-09-2015, 10:04 PM | #4383 | |
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If Davis hit the ball down the 3rd base line even 25% of the time he was shifted against, he'd get on base almost every time he did. It annoys me watching him basically hit the ball right into the shift for outs so much |
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11-09-2015, 10:22 PM | #4384 |
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I guess BABIP would be close. I'm sure someone has some "hard data" on it, even if it's unofficial. Feel like Fox has an intern do it whenever David Ortiz or someone is up.
It bugs me when everyone hits right into the shift. Defenses have adjusted to hitters. Why haven't hitters learned to go the other way? |
11-09-2015, 10:40 PM | #4385 |
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Its a fair point. I think, since it seems to be done predominantly against power hitters, thats just what a power hitter is going to do. Hit it hard and pull the ball if he hits it on the ground. To beat the shift, he'd have to reach out and poke something low and away which he would shy away from doing since that isn't his strength.
I do find it a little interesting that only sparingly have guys tried to bunt. All they'd have to do is push it past the pitcher. I get that you don't take an Anthony Rizzo and tell him to bunt a bunch when he's got 35 HR power, and I can understand not doing that with two outs, but if a guy is leading off and they're practically giving you a whole side of the field, I would like to see more attempts to try to foil the shift that way. |
11-09-2015, 10:48 PM | #4386 |
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Ortiz or Fielder (or any fat guy, really) bunting against the shift would be hilarious to see.
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11-09-2015, 10:58 PM | #4387 |
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11-09-2015, 11:10 PM | #4388 |
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Lol exactly
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11-09-2015, 11:24 PM | #4389 |
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Apparently Tommy Hanson is in a coma which is not drug or alcohol related.
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11-09-2015, 11:31 PM | #4390 |
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11-09-2015, 11:36 PM | #4391 |
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what
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11-09-2015, 11:36 PM | #4392 |
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He's only 29 wtf
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11-09-2015, 11:40 PM | #4393 |
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Fuck that's horrible.
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11-09-2015, 11:40 PM | #4394 |
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Former teammate Jordan Schafer has tweeted that Hanson has passed away. Really hope that's just misinformation.
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11-09-2015, 11:51 PM | #4395 |
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and Jose Reyes has apparently been arrested for assaulting his wife.
guy was one of my favorite Mets of all time but any respect I had for him is out the window if it ends up being true. no tolerance for this kind of bullshit anymore. |
11-10-2015, 12:57 AM | #4396 |
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Way too young. |
11-10-2015, 01:39 AM | #4397 |
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Wow at this Tommy Hanson stuff. I don't know anything about the guy other than him being a top prospect for a while before his shoulder gave out. Feel strangely bad about it. Didn't feel like this with Adenhart, Hallman or Tavares but for some reason I do here.
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11-10-2015, 05:28 AM | #4398 |
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Damn, what the hell happened to Tommy Hansen?! That's a autopsy report I wanna read. You just don't get "catastrophic organ failure" out of the blue.
R.I.P. |
11-10-2015, 06:12 AM | #4399 |
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Fuck that's awful.
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11-10-2015, 07:20 AM | #4400 |
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Fuck. RIP
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