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Old 03-23-2010, 10:10 PM   #481
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well that pretty much explained/confirmed a lot. The zoom in on MIB/Locke at the tail end was awesome.
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That episode was fantastic. Not only the best of the season thus far, but one of the best of the series.
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Old 03-23-2010, 10:17 PM   #483
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Indeed it was...explained a lot
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Solid episode, no real shockers in terms of Richard's origins, but it was nice to see Nestor Carbonell take center stage for once. The final scene was pretty great.

I want more of Richard's life on the island, doubt we'll get much though. Also need more Titus Welliver so badly. Man is great.
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Old 03-23-2010, 10:36 PM   #485
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I would like a lot more on Lapidus. I know we're not really getting flashbacks besides Richard, but I feel like he's been just along for the ride the entire time. There must be some reason he survived besides keeping Sun company and asking questions to help clarify things for the audience.
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Old 03-23-2010, 11:25 PM   #486
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I would like a lot more on Lapidus. I know we're not really getting flashbacks besides Richard, but I feel like he's been just along for the ride the entire time. There must be some reason he survived besides keeping Sun company and asking questions to help clarify things for the audience.
Agreed


There is a reason he was supposed to be on that flight, and that reason led him to the island
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It was a good episode.

One thing though, how come we had Richard arriving on The Black Rock at night, crashing into the statue, when in The Incident episode (season 5), The Black Rock is visible from the Island during the day, on calm seas?
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It was a good episode.

One thing though, how come we had Richard arriving on The Black Rock at night, crashing into the statue, when in The Incident episode (season 5), The Black Rock is visible from the Island during the day, on calm seas?
Cause a storm came that night and crashed the ship on the island.
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It was a good episode.

One thing though, how come we had Richard arriving on The Black Rock at night, crashing into the statue, when in The Incident episode (season 5), The Black Rock is visible from the Island during the day, on calm seas?
yea, I thought that too, but like the guy above said, a storm probably came up quickly at night. Even though we and Jacob/MIB could see the ship during the day, it was probably still very far out to sea. They could of been hours away from the Island, even though it looked close
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Plus if the islands as mythical as it all seems I've no real problem with Jacob just pulling a storm out of his arse to pull the ship in.
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Grrr, I don't like inconsistencies like that. It was clearly the middle of the day, the sea was calm and The Black Rock was not far off.

I also find it disturbing how Richard, the oldest of Jacob's allies and who should know the most and believe the most, was so easily swayed to change his mind to join MIB, even after Jack proved they were there for a purpose with the fuse going out.

Still, it was a good episode and all.
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Grrr, I don't like inconsistencies like that. It was clearly the middle of the day, the sea was calm and The Black Rock was not far off.

I also find it disturbing how Richard, the oldest of Jacob's allies and who should know the most and believe the most, was so easily swayed to change his mind to join MIB, even after Jack proved they were there for a purpose with the fuse going out.

Still, it was a good episode and all.
Given the circumstances, I think Richard just lost it. You see how people who watch the show react when they think the show has no meaning, let alone how someone would react if that was actually their life.
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Grrr, I don't like inconsistencies like that. It was clearly the middle of the day, the sea was calm and The Black Rock was not far off.

I also find it disturbing how Richard, the oldest of Jacob's allies and who should know the most and believe the most, was so easily swayed to change his mind to join MIB, even after Jack proved they were there for a purpose with the fuse going out.

Still, it was a good episode and all.
Yea, but you got to think it could still be the middle of the day and they could still be 10 hours away from shore. Remember, it was like 1867 or whatever. Boats were slow as hell back then. I go fishing a lot on motor boats and we go way out into the ocean. We could still see the shore from where we are, but it still takes 2 hours to get back in. Plus ocean storms come up very quick on you. It could be clear as hell one minute and then 15 minutes later be pouring rain and lightning

So I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt with that one
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OK fair play, just for the sake of the viewer, who most likely is not familiar with the whole fishing trade/sea scene, it just confused me as to why they did it what way.


Some other things I got from the episode -

- MIB spoke of 'him' or 'it', or something which lead me to believe it wasn't actually he himself who took Richard's wife. Although he IS the smoke, did he suggest something else controls him when he is smokey? if this is true (what he suggested), do you think it is the truth? I find it hard to believe since this season he has seemed to be able to choose when he transforms, where he moves and who he kills etc.

- Just remembering the meeting Sun had with Widmore back in season 5, about them both wanting to kill Ben. Maybe his arrival is not totally unknown and that will have some kind of bearing on what happens.

- Cannot wait until Jack sees Lock/MIB.

- Who you think, at this point, will become the new Jacob if that is the way the story goes? - I have been thinking about it, and I keep coming back to Jack. Everyone else could simply go back or have some kind of definite ending. Jack as the new Jacob, and Locke still as the MIB, together for eternity. But then I still also think Jacob wants Jack to kill MIB.

- MIB told Richard to put the knife into Jacob's chest, as in a sure way to kill him. I wonder what Sayid did wrong to the MIB in 'Sundown'? Surely it can't simply be because he said hello before he did it?
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- MIB told Richard to put the knife into Jacob's chest, as in a sure way to kill him. I wonder what Sayid did wrong to the MIB in 'Sundown'? Surely it can't simply be because he said hello before he did it?
Most likely. MIB said don't let him say one word or it's too late.

Know what the most intriguing part of the ep was for me? At the beginning, when Ben was talking about Fake Locke, he said something along the lines of "He's not quite Locke". Could just be Ben being Ben, or else maybe there's more Locke leftover in MIB than it seems.
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OK fair play, just for the sake of the viewer, who most likely is not familiar with the whole fishing trade/sea scene, it just confused me as to why they did it what way.


Some other things I got from the episode -

- MIB spoke of 'him' or 'it', or something which lead me to believe it wasn't actually he himself who took Richard's wife. Although he IS the smoke, did he suggest something else controls him when he is smokey? if this is true (what he suggested), do you think it is the truth? I find it hard to believe since this season he has seemed to be able to choose when he transforms, where he moves and who he kills etc.

- Just remembering the meeting Sun had with Widmore back in season 5, about them both wanting to kill Ben. Maybe his arrival is not totally unknown and that will have some kind of bearing on what happens.

- Cannot wait until Jack sees Lock/MIB.

- Who you think, at this point, will become the new Jacob if that is the way the story goes? - I have been thinking about it, and I keep coming back to Jack. Everyone else could simply go back or have some kind of definite ending. Jack as the new Jacob, and Locke still as the MIB, together for eternity. But then I still also think Jacob wants Jack to kill MIB.

- MIB told Richard to put the knife into Jacob's chest, as in a sure way to kill him. I wonder what Sayid did wrong to the MIB in 'Sundown'? Surely it can't simply be because he said hello before he did it?
I dont think the same rules apply to MIB and Jacob.

MiB said last night that Jacob took his body and humanity. So that makes me think he is always smokey, but just assumes the look of a human. SO plunging a knife into him wouldnt kill him, which is what Dogen knew, he sent Sayid to be killed.

MiB is definitely lying to people. He finds those who are most desperate and prays on their loss, promising what they desire most but cant have to get them to do his will. If Jacob cant bring back the dead, no one can, so MiB is lying to get himself off the island.

Sayid, Richard, Claire. All missing a lost loved one (though Aaron is alive).

I think MiB "scanned" richard when he was in the ship, and saw a means to gain control. So he then appeared as Isabelle, and made Jacob out to be the Devil.

The boat destroying the statue is fucking BS. Wood on Stone and the wood wins?
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Most likely. MIB said don't let him say one word or it's too late.

Know what the most intriguing part of the ep was for me? At the beginning, when Ben was talking about Fake Locke, he said something along the lines of "He's not quite Locke". Could just be Ben being Ben, or else maybe there's more Locke leftover in MIB than it seems.
I just think that is normal lost writing being cryptic.

Its not "Quite" Locke. It looks like him but it isnt him.
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I kinda hate the fact that real Locke is dead. He was my fave character.

MIB getting Richard to do his bidding and kill Jacob nearly kinda worked, I'm sure is he prayed on the right person in time, Jacob would've been killed. MIB working his plan with the plane crash, the course of events, time travel, gaining Locke's body really was a mission and a half.

Also, there is still rules for him to follow, and the Island having its own entity. Can't forget the small boy who came to MIB talking about the rules and that 'he can't kill him'. Still keep thinking that it was MIB who killed Jacob by pushing him into the fire and breaking the rules.
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The boat destroying the statue is fucking BS. Wood on Stone and the wood wins?
You also need to consider the power of the wave that was carrying the Black Rock and struck the statue.

According to Lostpedia, the Statue is estimated to be about 200 feet tall...so yeah, thats a pretty big wave.
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Might have been MIB that caused the wave. Anyone think of that? After all, why would Jacob want to break his own statue? Might have been more of a 'diss' to Jacob on the MIB's part. lol
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eh... he said HE himself brought the ship there and that would mean he crashed it. He wanted it to land on the island not sink at sea. Also Im sure he wouldnt care about the statue that much.
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The biggest question that came out of last night is how does the boat destory the whole statue (inlcuding the other foot that was presumably on a base like the other foot) and what the hell happened to the rest of the pieces that were scattered on the beach.

Whether it was Jacob or MiB, there has to be more to it than the ship knocking it down, sailing a mile into the jungle, and being almost completely intact.
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"The island did it."

If it wasn't explained in that episode that is the go-to explanation.
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ummm the damn wave knocked down the statue
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I kinda hate the fact that real Locke is dead. He was my fave character.

MIB getting Richard to do his bidding and kill Jacob nearly kinda worked, I'm sure is he prayed on the right person in time, Jacob would've been killed. MIB working his plan with the plane crash, the course of events, time travel, gaining Locke's body really was a mission and a half.

Also, there is still rules for him to follow, and the Island having its own entity. Can't forget the small boy who came to MIB talking about the rules and that 'he can't kill him'. Still keep thinking that it was MIB who killed Jacob by pushing him into the fire and breaking the rules.
Real Locke was my favorite too, but he still has all his mannerisms and soft spoken words, so I'll take it. I can't wait for Jack and MIB to meet as well.


I meant to ask you guys earlier. So now they kind of confirmed what Jacob has been doing all along and that the island is keeping the dark side from the world. To me that kind of downplays the Dharma group and The Others of the first couple of seasons. What was the whole point of all these people? Seems like nothing compared to the bigger picture. I forget how the Dharma even got to the island.
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new podcast is up...pretty good podcast. They also reveal the name of the finale.

They also address the daytime to night time storm
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They also address the daytime to night time storm
Please relay this info in a spoiler tag. I have time not for Pod Casts
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Do not need any spoiler tags in this thread. Say what and when you like that's why I made it.
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Do not need any spoiler tags in this thread. Say what and when you like that's why I made it.
I would think there is a difference between spoilers about shows that just aired or theories you may have as opposed to real spoilers like what will happen in the next few episodes, or who is coming back to the show, etc.
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stop being a baby... if you dont want to see spoilers dont come into a thread about a show after it has aired
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not to mention the thread title says there will be spoilers
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I would think there is a difference between spoilers about shows that just aired or theories you may have as opposed to real spoilers like what will happen in the next few episodes, or who is coming back to the show, etc.
See if you REALLY like the show, or any show, I believe that reading the spoilers for say the finale before the episode has aired is not only stupid, but defeats a lot of what being engaged in a show is all about, especially this show.

I think anyone who posts spoilers about an episode that has yet to air is a big, universally known 'no no'. At least for me it is. But yeah, if you feel you have to live up to the name of spoiling it, by all means please tag it.

What I mean is, this thread is about the theories we all have as the show progresses as well as discussing episodes that have been aired. Anyone who is not up to date should really get up to date before reading the current posts here.

I'm not trying to make rules or say how it has to be around here, just wanna walk LOST as its shown
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I'm fairly sure every single one of you is agreeing with each other here, he was asking for spoiler tags for the last episodes title if it was posted.
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I love the little code names Cuse and Co give each season finale, like season 4 was 'The Frozen Donkey Wheel' and season 3, 'The Rattlesnake in the Mailbox' lol
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It actually says there will be spoliers.
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Well here is a recap of the podcast for those of you who want to know (Spoiler warning about upcoming episodes and finale title) highlight to see

- Possibility of more "storms" will be happening. Storm is a metaphor. Confirmed the Black Rock was the same ship from last season
- 'The Package' is related to Sun/Jin sideways
- Carlton said Kate's horse wasn't MIB after Damon joked about it.
- They confirmed there were other people before Richard, hence the Statue
- Confirmed Libby will be back and questions will be answered about her
- Highly likely that Desmond will pop up in the current timeline or the sideways in the next few episodes
- There will be more cop Sawyer/Miles scenes
- Near future, one of the characters will be asking someone whether the MIB can only take the form of dead people, and whether Dave was really or not.. an answer will be provided.
- Possible that MIB is telling the truth, and Jacob is lying..
-The title of the finale is "The End"
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I meant to ask you guys earlier. So now they kind of confirmed what Jacob has been doing all along and that the island is keeping the dark side from the world. To me that kind of downplays the Dharma group and The Others of the first couple of seasons. What was the whole point of all these people? Seems like nothing compared to the bigger picture. I forget how the Dharma even got to the island.
Yeah, that's what I had my little breakdown over last week (or 2 weeks ago). Can't see how they will connect anything/everything beyond saying "Jacob brought them there".

I was hoping we'd get to see a lot of the island's past in this Richard-centric episode but we didn't. I'd guess that the finale will include flashbacks of Jacob and MiB so we should see some history there.
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Dunno Dharma were tapping into all the masses of "energy" or what not under the surface so they detected this build up but didn't know what it was?
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Real Locke was my favorite too, but he still has all his mannerisms and soft spoken words, so I'll take it. I can't wait for Jack and MIB to meet as well.


I meant to ask you guys earlier. So now they kind of confirmed what Jacob has been doing all along and that the island is keeping the dark side from the world. To me that kind of downplays the Dharma group and The Others of the first couple of seasons. What was the whole point of all these people? Seems like nothing compared to the bigger picture. I forget how the Dharma even got to the island.
DHARMA were part of a chain of events that lead to what we are at now. Their entire existence is what bought Oceanic 815 to the Island, as well as being another group of people bought to the Island as part of Jacob's overall message and plan. Without them, nothing would be what it is now. They are part of the big picture, like everyone and everything else.

I mean if you back track to what we thought was a massive mystery and importance when we were watching season 1, the hatch was one of those things, when really, it was something so much smaller than so many other things. I still get pissed off when the season 1 finale ended with just the lid coming off.
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Hmm....Massive pockets of energy under island....evil perhaps?
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