06-02-2015, 04:55 PM | #41 | |
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06-02-2015, 07:21 PM | #42 | |
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06-02-2015, 07:57 PM | #43 |
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I agree Cena is amazing when given the proper chance. Would love to see what he can do as a heel again before he's past his prime.
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06-02-2015, 08:09 PM | #44 |
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Sorry Crimson, that will never happen.
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06-02-2015, 08:22 PM | #45 | |
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06-02-2015, 09:29 PM | #46 |
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The winning and losing doesn't matter as much as the booking burying the guys he has programs with. So I agree with some of what you're saying fan, but you're getting stuck on the meaningless win/loss stuff, trying to prove a point.
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06-02-2015, 10:30 PM | #47 |
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I only said it in response to what Nowhere Man said.
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06-02-2015, 11:14 PM | #48 | |
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06-02-2015, 11:38 PM | #49 |
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But Austin had someone coming behind him. Cena has himself and that is it. 100% not his fault. The WWE should not have fucked up Randy Orton like they did.
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06-03-2015, 02:04 AM | #50 |
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06-03-2015, 04:32 AM | #51 |
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Honestly wonder if Cena going the tweener route and catering to his child fans and riling up the adults who try to boo him out of every building, might work.
They'd still be able to market and sell his merch to a massively obsessed and loyal fan base, AND he'd have the entire crowd controlled like puppets. |
06-03-2015, 11:04 AM | #52 |
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I dream of a John Cena NEVER GIVE UP type character mixed with the insincerity of BO DALLAS.
Let him cheat to win then spout off about Hustle Loyalty and Respect. |
06-03-2015, 11:04 AM | #53 |
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I just dont know when it happened. You cant even discuss things yout dont like about John Cena anymore without being treated like a Neckbeard.
WWE has you all trained. |
06-03-2015, 05:59 PM | #54 |
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Phrasing.
Anyway, yeah, WWE hasn't bothered to put stock in anyone beyond Cena, but you can't honestly believe that Cena doesn't have a massive amount of creative control. If he wasn't cool with utterly trashing guys like Del Rio and Bray Wyatt and everyone else who he's rolled over during his never-ending reign on top, he could have very easily done something about it. Being booked as indestructible at everyone else's expense may not have been Cena's idea, but he's definitely complicit in it. |
06-03-2015, 06:16 PM | #55 |
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Again, he's jobbed a ton. You really think he should say "Listen, thanks for having me win like... barely half of my major matches as the face of the company but I think we could go less! That'll really make things better!"
Cena not jobbing enough isn't the problem. And even if it was, his job isn't to fix how shitty creative is by sacrificing himself to help push another guy they can fail with. |
06-03-2015, 06:47 PM | #56 |
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John Cena should never job to Del Rio. He was never going to be the face of the company. Bray Wyatt's feud was fine. The only part the was terrible was Cena going over him after he got rocked by Brock. That isn't something I am blaming Cena for.
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06-03-2015, 08:50 PM | #57 |
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If there was proper continuity in the booking, it wouldn't matter if guys won or lost matches, as long as the focus was still there.
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06-03-2015, 08:50 PM | #58 |
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Instead of everything that happened a month before being treated as an afterthought.
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06-03-2015, 09:07 PM | #59 | |
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06-03-2015, 09:08 PM | #60 |
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Yes. Sorry I let facts get in the way of your need to believe LOLCENAWINS.
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06-03-2015, 09:09 PM | #61 |
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Really loved how Cena pointed out that kid fighting cancer so cool, but it sort of killed the promo. What is Kevin Owens going to do talk after that? He can't do anything. He can't be seen as pro-cancer.
That is one of the biggest reasons it's not best for the story for Cena to point out these things or be the face of Breast cancer. It's great for the cause and is really awesome but it also limits what can be done in promos when it goes down. They could have had a good give and take on Raw but he stopped it cold. Its better if these things are done behind the scenes or not as part of a hot angle. |
06-03-2015, 09:33 PM | #62 |
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KO should have started a "Lets Go Cancer! Lets Go!" *clap clap clap*
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06-03-2015, 11:20 PM | #63 | |
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06-03-2015, 11:30 PM | #64 |
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butt lol
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06-04-2015, 03:14 AM | #65 | |
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06-04-2015, 03:23 AM | #66 |
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The trouble with Cena (the character) isn't that he doesn't lose, because he does. It's what happens afterwards.
Bryan best Cena, and it was a massive victory for him. They didn't go back to the well. That victory is a stand-out moment for DB because they didn't have rematch after rematch after rematch. Cena never got his "win back". If Owens beat Cena at EC, then turned down the challenge of a rematch (the same way he turned down the U.S. Open Challenge) because he had nothing to prove, his victory would mean more. He could brag about it, he'd get some heat for dodging the rematch, and more because he's "right". The loss could eat at Cena. We could build to a rematch if needs be somewhere down the line. Instead, 2 weeks of build and they're rushing another match. If Owens wins he proves it wasn't a fluke, he is the real deal, and they could still do what I just suggested. However, and this is where the heat on Cena (the character) comes from; that likely won't happen. We hope Cena won't win, tying the series and leading to a "rubber match" where Cena wins in the end, but we've seen it all before. Yes Cena loses, but the loss doesn't mean anything when he beats you 3 times afterwards - and that's what we expect to happen. |
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06-07-2015, 06:39 PM | #69 |
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I'd put Owens over at Money in the Bank when he powerbombs Cena into oblivion. Basically the Owens/Zayn Rival ending. Powerbomb after powerbomb until the kiddies cry. The referee stops the match and awards the victory to Kevin Owens. Not only did he beat Cena again, but he did it in more dominant fashion.
Owens cuts a promo on RAW where he says he just did what he said he would. He talks about Cena's slogans and mocks "NEVER GIVE UP!" by pointing out that Cena's body basically did. Owens turns his attention to his match against Finn Balor in Japan for the NXT Title. Last time Finn Balor disrespected him by not bringing The Demon along. If Balor shows up without the Demon this time, the same thing will happen to him that happened to Sami Zayn. That happened to Alex Riley. That happened to John Cena. He wants to meet the Demon in Japan, and he's going to be the first to defeat the Demon. Anyway, Balor wins the NXT Title at the Japan show cleanly. It'd be an epic way to switch it over, and Finn Balor gets to beat the guy who beat Cena. Hideo Itami comes out and applauds his friend and there's a nice moment for Japanese fans of those men. Owens is pissed on RAW and says that he'll have a message for Finn Balor on NXT this week, but in the meantime he thinks it is a joke that John Cena is lying at home with the US Title, whilst Owens is the one who put him on the shelf and has to lose his. Owens says he makes the challenges now and Cena can come and hand him the US Title next week or else. Cena does show up and says he got beaten by Owens worse than even Brock Lesnar beat him up. He says that Owens is the man, and he really did beat him twice. Cena goes to hand Owens the belt. When Owens goes to grab it, Cena pulls him into an Attitude Adjustment however. "I'm not handing this to anybody!" Owens has meanwhile told Finn Balor that he won't be cashing in his rematch for the NXT Championship. He's done with NXT. He came in, he conquered. All the best, champ. His sole goal is to become United States Champion. And after he hits a pop-up powerbomb at Battleground, he does so. |
06-07-2015, 06:47 PM | #70 |
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Don't think anyone should destroy Cena so early into their career. They need to grow. Not automatically be better than the current GOAT.
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06-07-2015, 09:17 PM | #71 |
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Yeah, no way should Owens dominate Cena/beat him three times in a row like that. Especially if he loses cleanly himself during that time.
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06-07-2015, 09:32 PM | #72 |
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But if he loses to Cena even once people will say he is buried and his career is over. So he obviously NEEDS to dominate him.
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06-07-2015, 10:15 PM | #73 |
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Feel like Owens will be ok after the Cena feud. Soon he will probably join the Authority, and start one upping Rollins.
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06-08-2015, 02:26 PM | #74 |
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Do you think Cena will ever turn heel?
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