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Old 12-21-2014, 08:03 PM   #81
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He gets paid the same. Wouldn't have hurt to work on a gimmick down there.
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Old 12-21-2014, 08:08 PM   #82
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Well, that's the dilemma: have a couple hundred people see you as awesome, or have a couple million people see you as a loser? At least the handful of people who saw him in the minor leagues might go out of their way to see him again in the future-- I seriously doubt your average wrestling fan would pay money to see the return of, say, JTG. So yeah, getting a bigger paycheck in WWE is better for him in the short term, but being punted down the card and made to look like a total jobber while he's there isn't doing him any favors when it comes to being able to market himself in the long term.
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Old 12-21-2014, 09:00 PM   #83
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He gets paid the same. Wouldn't have hurt to work on a gimmick down there.
He does not remotely get paid the same
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Old 12-21-2014, 09:02 PM   #84
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Well, that's the dilemma: have a couple hundred people see you as awesome, or have a couple million people see you as a loser? At least the handful of people who saw him in the minor leagues might go out of their way to see him again in the future-- I seriously doubt your average wrestling fan would pay money to see the return of, say, JTG. So yeah, getting a bigger paycheck in WWE is better for him in the short term, but being punted down the card and made to look like a total jobber while he's there isn't doing him any favors when it comes to being able to market himself in the long term.
That's ridiculous. You can always re-push a star.
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Old 12-21-2014, 09:04 PM   #85
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He's gotta become a star first.
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Old 12-21-2014, 09:28 PM   #86
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He's a great supporting act. Nothing wrong with that at all. The company badly needs a better mid-upper card.
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I do really like his team with Kidd.

They should call themselves "Forced Personality"
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Old 12-21-2014, 11:26 PM   #88
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I could name afew. Needs to get bigger. Needs to shave himself bald. Better in ring skills. He needs to learn from guys like Cena, Koofi, the ryback big guy.
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He did shave himself bald..... and I preferred him how he was before.
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Fuck yes, this needs to stop. Promos started being shit when they began writing them out for guys. Promos suddenly went from being something guys could use to make themselves a star to just a part of a character that's now up to some boring, shitty writers who use the same basic formula for everyone.
Like, I've heard Reigns talk outside of a written promo, like regular interview, and dude is charismatic as hell. Writing some shit for another guy always seemed odd to me.

But I think once the office decides what they want to do (aahahahahahahahaha) with his character, he'll be easier to write for.
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Old 12-22-2014, 01:56 PM   #91
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I could name afew. Needs to get bigger. Needs to shave himself bald. Better in ring skills. He needs to learn from guys like Cena, Koofi, the ryback big guy.
You're clearly trolling here. It might be impossible to find better in-ring skills anywhere in the world. I'll take any other gripe with Cesaro from people, but not that one.
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Old 12-27-2014, 06:24 AM   #92
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Cesaro is my favorite wrestler in the world to watch. One of the WWE's biggest blunders in 2014 was not simply going with Cesaro vs. Swagger at Extreme Rules, in my opinion. The match was RIGHT THERE! They added RVD because they wanted a traditional face in there, I guess, but people were willing to see Cesaro vs. Swagger on its own.

Then they (presumably) put the cuffs on Heyman, who went from calling Cesaro "the next WWE World Heavyweight Champion" to "the next top tier talent" to only really mentioning Brock Lesnar whenever they were out there together. Then Cesaro would wrestle whoever the mid-card champion was and lose all the time. And then there is that shitty theme.

It really should have been Brock vs. Bryan and Cena vs. Cesaro at WrestleMania 31, in my opinion. Whenever Cesaro and Cena wrestle, it is gold. Instead, Cesaro is going to find himself lucky to be on the card. This team with Tyson Kidd has some legs, and if it gets over, both guys could find themselves benefitting. They might find themselves worked into a four-way tag team program for Mania or something.
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Old 12-27-2014, 08:14 AM   #93
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I mean come on,Vince has to be willfully dumb to just ignore this
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Old 12-27-2014, 11:02 AM   #94
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Cesaro is missing what the majority of the roster is missing.... decent booking.....
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He's missing the fact that he wasn't made by WWE. Vince loves the stars that Vince makes. Cesaro was very over in the indy scene, and could have went to TNA to be in their main event. It's just Vince likes guys like Orton, Cena, HBK, The Rock, Lesnar, guys he can take the lion's share of the credit for. Yea, there are exceptions to this rule, but they're few and far between.
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Cesaro's history is not too much different to Dean Ambrose or Seth Rollins's history, and Vince seems high on them.
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Cesaro and Kidd have been using the name "Masters of the WWE Universe" as a tag team name, which was my suggested name for a main roster Cesaro/Kassius Ohno team.

I love Kidd and am so glad he has found his personality, but Cesaro should really be in a better position.
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Cesaro could have been HUUUUUUUUUUGE
Cesaro isn't missing anything. Period.


Cesaro should have kept Jack Swagger's theme music (with Swagger getting a new theme), and he also should have kept doing that 'Airplane' move or whatever it's called.


Cesaro should have stayed face, and I honestly believe that if the WWE had done things correctly with Cesaro, then he could have easily been made to believably go over Lesnar at this year's Mania. Boom - new star created.
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Cesaro and Kidd have been using the name "Masters of the WWE Universe" as a tag team name, which was my suggested name for a main roster Cesaro/Kassius Ohno team.

I love Kidd and am so glad he has found his personality, but Cesaro should really be in a better position.
Kidd should wear the He-Man grey "armor" thingy on his chest with fur trunks and boots, and Cesaro wears a red mask and green/yellow gear inspired by Battle Cat. I would have said Cesaro should be He-Man, but a) it's not as funny and b) Cesaro could carry Kidd down to the ring, not the other way around.

Add in Nattie dressing as Teela or The Sorceress, and there you have it!
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I do really like his team with Kidd.

They should call themselves "Forced Personality"
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Looking back, putting Cesaro with Heyman was just a really dumb move. I mean it could have been salvaged with Cesaro winning MITB and cashing in on Lesnar later, but as it played out it was really all a bit of a waste.

They spent months building to Cesaro turning on his evil manager, only to have him immediately align with another evil manager. It's not a very satisfying conclusion. It's like Charlie Bucket being about to inherit the chocolate factory only to sell the Everlasting Gobstopper to Mr. Slugworth.
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I thought the idea of putting him with Heyman was awesome. The pairing was perfect. The execution booking-wise was shit. As was all of the attempted Heyman pairings after Punk. It was like they thought putting Heyman in someone's corner makes them a star and no work needs to be done. Unfortunately you still actually have to put some effort into booking them as a threat. They failed.
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I agree with fan there. I think the announcement and potential of the pairing made perfect sense. Cesaro had "upgraded" and join the company of the man who ended The Undertaker's streak at WrestleMania. Cesaro should have been a big deal then and there.

Adding Rob Van Dam to the feud was shit. It was convoluted and watered down the personal issues between Swagger and Cesaro. Swagger should have played good heel, and put over the "still technically a heel but super-over" Cesaro at Extreme Rules, and just look generally outclassed towards the end.

Sheamus was a great choice for a Payback opponent for Cesaro -- what was not great was the story being about the US Title. Cesaro was past mid-card titles at this point, as was Sheamus. Dean Ambrose could have been made an interesting fighting champion who was forced to defend the title every week whilst feuding with Evolution, and if he did drop it to someone, someone with Authority backing would have been good. Maybe even Randy Orton, completing his active Grand Slam.

Chicago was a smark town, so I imagine that even though Cesaro was the bad guy, they would have been cheering his offense. A clean win for Cesaro over the then aimless Sheamus would have been great for Cesaro and no harm to Sheamus.

Then you're at Money in the Bank, and Cesaro would have made a great choice to win that thing. As it turns out, Seth Rollins did a great job, but losing Money in the Bank wouldn't have been a big deal for Cesaro. He could have gotten angry at himself for missing that golden opportunity, and turned up the aggression heading into Battleground, where he could beat a Superstar he targets in the wake of MITB. Perhaps even someone like Big Show? It wouldn't be a MOTY candidate, but if he managed to swing Big Show? Whoa.

Heyman also only really talked about Brock Lesnar. What were his plans for Cesaro with Brock Lesnar as the WWE World Heavyweight Champion? At some point, there could only be one. Babyfaces should have been trying to tell Cesaro that he is being used by Heyman, only for Cesaro to explain to them that he knows what he is doing. Gives him time to practice too.

The tension would no doubt build between Lesnar and Cesaro. Maybe they butt-heads in a match against John Cena and Daniel Bryan at Fast Lane later this year in that scenario, or in a RAW segment. Brock might still leave after WrestleMania, but maybe they could convince him to extend his contract after dropping the title to Bryan to Extreme Rules, and have him put over Cesaro in a huge grudge match between Heyman Guys.
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Old 12-31-2014, 07:34 AM   #104
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Money in the Bank is where it all unraveled. He was in the World Title ladder match but didn't really factor into the match at all. They did the pulling tower spot but that was pretty much his involvement in the match. Paul Heyman didn't even cut a promo on the show.
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I would love to see Cesaro swing Lesnar.
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Old 12-31-2014, 08:57 AM   #106
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Short answer: charisma
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I can't buy the charisma deal. Entire arenas were behind him leading up to WM, he gets a surprise entry into the Battle Royal and wins with an impressive last elimination. He was primed for a nice face run, maybe not title picture or main event just yet, but he was heading that direction.

And then boom, they stick him with heel manager Paul Heyman.... why? Now, I'm a Heyman guy and I know the reason was so that he could be a mouth piece for him, but in all reality he would have been better off getting thrown in the deep end with no life preserver. In the long run you lost what could have been a top face (would have been nice with Bryan and Reigns going out) and traded it in for a opening match heel with zero heat?

I dunno, I don't buy the no mic skills excuse either. Randy Orton was boring as fuck on the mic for a loooong time, all the while he was winning championships.
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Cesaro doesn't have the right accent to be bad on the mic. He doesn't sound threatening and even a little goofy. I love the guy, but he should work his best at trying to Americanize his voice and make himself like a killer.
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Cesaro swinging Lesnar would be money.
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I agree on with Jaded-Dragon on the point about charisma. Cesaro has it. There's a wall up sometimes, but most of the time is on. I saw him kick a Christmas present on Superstars and marked out.
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I can't buy the charisma deal. Entire arenas were behind him leading up to WM, he gets a surprise entry into the Battle Royal and wins with an impressive last elimination. He was primed for a nice face run, maybe not title picture or main event just yet, but he was heading that direction.

And then boom, they stick him with heel manager Paul Heyman.... why? Now, I'm a Heyman guy and I know the reason was so that he could be a mouth piece for him, but in all reality he would have been better off getting thrown in the deep end with no life preserver. In the long run you lost what could have been a top face (would have been nice with Bryan and Reigns going out) and traded it in for a opening match heel with zero heat?

I dunno, I don't buy the no mic skills excuse either. Randy Orton was boring as fuck on the mic for a loooong time, all the while he was winning championships.
Lol cmon, Randy Orton is ten times better on the mic than Cesaro
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He seriously doesnt have it. Getting over doesnt mean you have chrarisma. Charisma is getting a Channel surfer to stop and watch. A quality all true main eventers have. Sommething he ziggler barett and all the guys scratching to burst through the main event scene lack.
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I think Cesaro may be better suited for Global Force Wrestling, should it take off.
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I love Cesaro. He's definitely useful somewhere on the card.

That Raw promo was a big part of why he's not a main guy though.
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