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View Poll Results: "To be a great babyface, you have to be a great heel"
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Old 01-31-2015, 07:53 PM   #41
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Ricky Steamboat was "The Guy" that lead the WWE? The "marquee name"? Was WWE champion?

Must have been between 95 and 98 when I wasn't watching.
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Old 01-31-2015, 08:21 PM   #42
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I think it is harder to be a face in today's wrestling because the up and comers simply do not have the same opportunity to learn the craft the same way the old schoolers did. The wrestlers that are succeeding right now despite the higher ups themselves are the ones that have experience in other promotions or have been in the company for YEARS.
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Old 01-31-2015, 09:41 PM   #43
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I think it helps being a heel....


I remember during Ryback's first push, I wanted him to turn heel a lot sooner than he did.... "give the fans a taste" as a face.... turn heel and be someone's "lacky" or "muscle" until the point where the fans are rabid to see him stand up for himself and turn on the heel and become a mega-face again... coming out of it even more over as a face than before....
This is exactly what I wanted to see happen. Ryback would have been great as Punk's muscle back in 2012.
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Old 01-31-2015, 10:56 PM   #44
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The Batista effect.... being Triple H's lacky and then standing up to him.... made him a star....
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Old 01-31-2015, 11:10 PM   #45
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It worked for Alex freakin' Riley too. And it's working for Sandow now. It's a pretty simple formula.
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Old 02-01-2015, 12:11 AM   #46
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Remember when the fans were rabid for Ted DiBiase to turn against Randy Orton?
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Old 02-01-2015, 01:15 AM   #47
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Ricky Steamboat was "The Guy" that lead the WWE? The "marquee name"? Was WWE champion?

Must have been between 95 and 98 when I wasn't watching.
He was already retired by 95. He was the top babyface of the NWA in the late 80s and early 90s. Y'know, just the most famous world title matches ever against Flair?
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Old 02-01-2015, 01:18 AM   #48
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Ricky Steamboat was "The Guy" that lead the WWE? The "marquee name"? Was WWE champion?

Must have been between 95 and 98 when I wasn't watching.
you have been brainwashed

When he was working the top belt wasnt in vinces company
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Old 02-01-2015, 05:34 AM   #49
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WWE have failed to create a "Top Face" every time they've tried; When was the last time WWE took a fan favourite, strapped a rocket to them, and created a new "Top Guy" or even "Top Face" and it worked?
Twice in the opening paragraph I specifically referenced WWE.

I also stated there were exceptions (Hardy, Rey), Steamboat is one of them.

I'm not even saying the statement is right, it was just something I was considering in the arena of "Why hasn't Reigns connected?"
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Old 02-01-2015, 05:36 AM   #50
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I think it is harder to be a face in today's wrestling because the up and comers simply do not have the same opportunity to learn the craft the same way the old schoolers did. The wrestlers that are succeeding right now despite the higher ups themselves are the ones that have experience in other promotions or have been in the company for YEARS.
And this is one of the other facets I looked at; "Paying your dues".

Austin has made a big deal of the audience not feeling Reigns has "paid his dues in the ring", is this something the audience consider? Is it a more subconscious consideration?
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Old 02-01-2015, 06:59 AM   #51
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I'd disagree with the face/heel dynamic. But it is, in a way, about 'paying dues'.

We haven't had any character development for Reigns. He was the muscle of the Shield, who never said anything beyond 'Believe That'. And i honestly don't recall any serious storyline that's made me give two shits about him in his current singles run. We haven't had enough time with him as fans, and he hasn't wowed most of us with what he's got at the moment.

Maybe it's poor booking. Maybe the guy is still green. He needs time. Write a decent character that he can effectively portray. Pit him against someone who will make him look great, not just in the ring, but otherwise as well. Give him time to mature. Doesn't matter if he's face or heel. Get him to do something that we can sink our teeth into.
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Old 02-01-2015, 08:21 AM   #52
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I'm sure it helps most, but some people are just likeable and have it easy..... see: Ricky Steamboat
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Old 02-01-2015, 02:08 PM   #53
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Twice in the opening paragraph I specifically referenced WWE.

I also stated there were exceptions (Hardy, Rey), Steamboat is one of them.

I'm not even saying the statement is right, it was just something I was considering in the arena of "Why hasn't Reigns connected?"
The face heel dynamic has nothing to with the wwe no matter what your opening paragraph states though, amd as far as exceptions go your thread is desling in absolutes so the answer is no. Emphatically even.
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Old 02-01-2015, 02:11 PM   #54
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The reality is it isnt being a heel first that helps its that good workers can do both.

"Ricky Steamboat is the greatest baby face of all time, hes not the greatest worker of all time though. I am, ricky couldn't work heel." -Rick Flair
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