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Old 06-29-2015, 07:24 PM   #81
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His Shooting Star Press was sloppy as fuck, too, from what I remember.
It had a tendency to veer off course you really rolled the dice taking one from him.
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Old 06-30-2015, 10:37 AM   #82
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His Shooting Star Press was sloppy as fuck, too, from what I remember.
I'm seem to recall seeing him break his neck live with it. I never understood what anyone liked about him. He looked like a Bret Hart clone that someone shrank in the dryer.
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Old 06-30-2015, 11:39 AM   #83
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Rey mysterio always bugged me too because not once could I suspend belief enough to buy him as a credible threat.
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Old 07-02-2015, 10:40 AM   #84
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I remember Sheamus being built as a badass heel champ and then on an episode of Raw he was confronted by The Nexus backstage. Barrett flinched like he was gonna attack and Sheamus ran away like a little bitch yelling for Cena. It was the dumbest fucking thing ever.


I laughed about 10 minutes straight when that happened, just seemed so out of left field for his character. I guess to his credit it was Sheffield that sent him running instead of Barrett.

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Old 07-02-2015, 11:12 AM   #85
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Justin Credible is one of my alltime least favorites, I just never got how his character grew from Portugese Man-o-War~"quote->bad-ass new king of hardcore". You had a roster full of Dreamers, Sandmans, and Rhinos in old ECW - but nope, we had to make our Top Guy the puny Kliquester who looks like a Chav drugdealer for a while

O god, and how much did WCW play up that Kidman got that single win over Hogan. He may be the ultimate example of Right Time, Right Place. He married into a hot valet to grab himself some heat every time he came out, & he got maybe a 6 month run as a top heel because Vince Russo has a fetish for whiny little Smark-savvy guys.

And then they both came back to Vince, and they both reverted to whence they came: Cruiserweights
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Old 07-02-2015, 01:31 PM   #86
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Jeff Jarrett as a major badass heel in WCW and TNA. Like Mike Graham said on a WWE DVD once, "He broke thousands of guitars but never drew a dime."
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Old 07-02-2015, 05:26 PM   #87
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Justin Credible is one of my alltime least favorites, I just never got how his character grew from Portugese Man-o-War~"quote->bad-ass new king of hardcore". You had a roster full of Dreamers, Sandmans, and Rhinos in old ECW - but nope, we had to make our Top Guy the puny Kliquester who looks like a Chav drugdealer for a while

O god, and how much did WCW play up that Kidman got that single win over Hogan. He may be the ultimate example of Right Time, Right Place. He married into a hot valet to grab himself some heat every time he came out, & he got maybe a 6 month run as a top heel because Vince Russo has a fetish for whiny little Smark-savvy guys.

And then they both came back to Vince, and they both reverted to whence they came: Cruiserweights
I had ZERO idea that Credible was Aldo Montoya when Credible debuted. Was it mentioned on a show when Credible debuted?

Friggen Johnny Polo became Raven, so I don't know how you can hold that against Justin Credible.
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Old 07-03-2015, 07:31 AM   #88
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Yeah, never got the Justin Credible hate. I mean, I never watched, but weren't people constantly on the dicks of the Impact Players and how exciting it was to see him in the WWE in 2001?
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Old 07-03-2015, 07:45 PM   #89
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Yeah. They were very easy to hate.
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Old 07-03-2015, 09:41 PM   #90
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I always wanted to see more of Justin Credible in the WWE. He was doing stuff with X-Factor, then jumped to The Alliance because of his ECW ties, and they didn't really do anything.
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Old 07-05-2015, 04:37 PM   #91
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Old 07-05-2015, 04:58 PM   #92
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Rey mysterio always bugged me too because not once could I suspend belief enough to buy him as a credible threat.
I know right? Angle and Orton should've been booked and allowed to put on a clinic in WM 22 and just bloen the damn roof off the AllState Center.
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Old 07-05-2015, 05:06 PM   #93
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The Lesnar/Show title change at Survivor Series 2002 always baffled me. You build up Brock from early that year on to capture his 1st WWE Championship against Rock, and only gets ~3 months before dropping it to Big Show? I have more mixed feelings regarding the Show heel turn and him and Heyman swerving Lesnar and the fans. Show has always struck mebas a guy that never should've been turned face to begin with, because what's not to love about an angry 7', 500lb. tank wreaking havoc on everything and everyone? But then again it was nice to see him go back to doing that however temporary it may have been. I can't remember the exact length of time, but they've turned big guys like him and Kane and Mark so much that I almost can't even buy it when they do turn any of those guys one way or another.
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Old 07-06-2015, 01:16 PM   #94
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Well we know Lex Luger during the '93 season. I mean don't get me wrong, the Yokozuna Slam Competition bit was awesome, but i think that at the time they were just trying to get rid of Hulk and bring in someone to "replace" him.

HHH's run from '02 to '04 was just ridiculous. Booker should've won the title at WrestleMania because 1.) Had to put up with that semi-racist storyline that white guys think its the only way to put over some black wrestlers 2.) His push didn't feel "earned" because of the backing of the ENTIRE WWE family.

To me, its something about wrestlers organically winning. When Jeff Hardy won his first title, that moment had me "marking out" like i was back in the Monday Night Wars era.
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Old 07-07-2015, 07:41 AM   #95
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Old 07-11-2015, 06:38 PM   #96
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The Lesnar/Show title change at Survivor Series 2002 always baffled me. You build up Brock from early that year on to capture his 1st WWE Championship against Rock, and only gets ~3 months before dropping it to Big Show? I have more mixed feelings regarding the Show heel turn and him and Heyman swerving Lesnar and the fans. Show has always struck mebas a guy that never should've been turned face to begin with, because what's not to love about an angry 7', 500lb. tank wreaking havoc on everything and everyone? But then again it was nice to see him go back to doing that however temporary it may have been. I can't remember the exact length of time, but they've turned big guys like him and Kane and Mark so much that I almost can't even buy it when they do turn any of those guys one way or another.
The change was basically a way to turn Brock Lesnar face (since he was being cheered anyway). The story had been built with Heyman trying to steer Brock away from tough title matches against The Undertaker ("You can't beat him, Brock!"). When Brock beat The Undertaker (twice, and one of those times in the Cell, I believe), Brock proved that he was even better than Heyman thought. When Big Show came a-calling, Heyman told Brock "He's too big! You can't F5 him!". Brock would prove Heyman wrong, but Paul, being a wormy heel that had to be right, had insured that the monster he was losing control of would learn a lesson in humility.

The WWE Title would then be transitioned to Kurt Angle at Armageddon the month after, and Brock Lesnar would win the 2003 Royal Rumble, and their match was the true main event of WrestleMania XIX. It all made sense to me at the time.
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Old 07-11-2015, 07:07 PM   #97
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What do you mean by "the true main event"? It did go on last.
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Old 07-11-2015, 09:05 PM   #98
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That's what I meant. It wasn't just "a" main event, but "the" main event. Sorry, I didn't mean "true" in a contrary sense.
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Well, no matter what, I think Brock is just a TERRIBLE good guy...vanilla as fuck. He's meant to be sadistic. LOL, if you check his profile @ profightsdb.com, he actually wrestled Shannon Moore in mid-December 2002, and then again 364 days later in mid-December 2003. Like, what the shit?

And Show might not be the worst all-time World or WWE title holder but he's GOT to be in the top 10. At least my personal list, if nobody else's.
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Old 07-16-2015, 11:39 AM   #100
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I hate pushes like The Funkasouras. Like do they honestly think something like that will get over? I guess it just speaks to Vinces hard on for big men. It happens all the time. For example Tensai (or whatever Alberts revised name was), really? Really? Really?
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Lol it did get over.
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did the funkasaurus or the funkadactyls get over?
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Old 07-16-2015, 12:48 PM   #103
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He got a pretty good reaction. It just had a short shelf life.
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did the funkasaurus or the funkadactyls get over?
He was definitely over before they fed him to Big Show. They should have rolled with him being a monster in the ring longer before making him a jobber. It worked.
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Old 07-18-2015, 01:09 AM   #106
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They seemed to cut out the stuff that worked with Clay too. "Should I get him?!?" Lol.
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I had and still have absolutely no desire to see Clay get a serious singles push in wrestling, but that fun gimmick put him in a paradigm where I think he worked and could have made a bit of money. Oh well.
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Old 07-18-2015, 01:22 AM   #108
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I think those few weeks he had a "serious" feud with Adrian Neville in NXT he put on a good showing.
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It wasn't bad, but I wasn't ready to buy into him right there and then.
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He could have had longevity in a Rikishi role if they kept booking him as a fun babyface who the fans could get behind to beat the shit out of any cocky heels that come along.
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Funkasaurus had a bit of Dusty in him at first with the mannerisms and I quite enjoyed his squashes, but they were very stop-start with him. Think he was off TV for a month right after his debut and returned at Mania out of nowhere in that dancing skit with tons of "Mommas".




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Vicky Guerrero was alaways a channel changer for me. So basically I changed the channel for a few years.
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Jeff Jarrett as a major badass heel in WCW and TNA. Like Mike Graham said on a WWE DVD once, "He broke thousands of guitars but never drew a dime."
which is funny coming from a guy who never left his daddy's promotion.

Mike Graham couldn't draw flies to a shit factory as Ricky Morton would say.
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Rey Mysterio milking Eddie Guerrero's death into a World title run greatly annoyed me. Rey Mysterio's main-event push would have been enjoyable for me had he not used Eddie's death as a way of drawing sympathy from the fans.
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Vicky Guerrero was alaways a channel changer for me. So basically I changed the channel for a few years.
I dunno, I thought she made a fun "everybody loves to hate her" type heel in her later years with WWE, and she'd get fucking nuclear heat just about everywhere, too, which, at least in part, is probably what allowed her to stay on with the company for so long.




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Fuck yes she was! I think people get too hung up on her looks, the scream she sometimes did as a manager/valet, and her infamous "Excuse Me!" line.

She realky is quite underrated, IMHO.
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A heel who gets over, but the IWC doesn't approve = X Pac heat.
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