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Old 02-11-2015, 05:25 PM   #1
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DISCUSSION - Unofficial WWE "Rating" System of Wrestlers
DISCUSSION - Unofficial WWE "Rating" System of Wrestlers


I thought of this idea from the 'Wrestlers with no future' thread, and also from playing NHL 15' on my PS3.


I have become interested in creating an unofficial 'rating' system for WWE Wrestlers that is somewhat similar to how hockey players are rated on NHL 15' for PS3.


Basically, Wrestlers would be rated on a scale of 0-5 on a scale of potential.


Potential:

5)


A '5' is given to a Generational Superstar. A franchise superstar that the WWE builds around, and a franchise superstar that is capable of bringing in new fans or catering to a certain demographic.


Examples: Bruno Sammartino, Hulk Hogan, Andre The Giant, Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, John Cena.


4.5)


A 4.5 designation is given to those wrestlers that have had multiple World/WWE title runs, and are generally considered to be legit main-eventers within the WWE. These guys also have experience in being 'the top dog' in the company, and have also achieved legendary status within the Wrestling industry:


Examples: Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Ric Flair, Undertaker, Triple H, Randy Savage, Goldberg.


4.0)


A 4.0 is someone that has had multiple world title reigns within the WWE, but have never really quite been "THE GUY" (As Triple H once stated in a promo last year). Most 4.0'ers will be considered HOF worthy without a doubt, but at no point in their careers, were these wrestlers ever considered to be "the guy that you build your company around."


Examples: Edge, Randy Orton, Dave Batista, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle,


3.5)


A 3.5 is someone that has had a few World/WWE title runs, but for the most part, is known as a main-event jobber.......or someone that has had most of their success as an Intercontinental Champion, US Champion, or Tag Team Champion. It is not uncommon for these wrestlers to win a World/WWE title, and then go back to main-event jobbing, or going back to mid-card status.


Examples: Kane, The Big Show, Sheamus, Alberto Del Rios, The Miz, Christian, Jeff Hardy, Chris Benoit, JBL, Rey Mysterio, Jeff Jarret.

3.0)


A 3.0 is someone that has basically done everything in the WWE (i.e. IC champ, US Champ, Tag team champ), except win the World/WWE title. Often times, these guys will have a strong push throughout their careers either as an IC champ or Tag team champ, and will then have a brief stint feuding with main-eventers before being deemed as 'unworthy' by WWE Management (for logical or illogical reasons)............before possibly being faded into obscurity leading to a release.


Examples: Santino Marella, Billy Gunn, Big Bossman, Test, X-Pac, D'Lo Brown, Val Venis, Cody Rhodes, Kofi Kingston.


2.5)


A 2.5 is someone that has a brief run as either an IC champ or a Tag team champ at some point in their careers, but for the most part, is a low mid-card performer.


Examples: Scotty 2 Hotty, The Hurricane, Steve Richards, Godfather


2.0)


A 2.0 has been on the roster for a little while, but hasn't won anything as of yet.


Examples: Adam Rose.


x<2.0)


Someone below 2.0 is on NXT. 1.5 is a main-eventer on NXT, 1.0 is a mid-carder on NXT, 0.5 is a jobber on NXT and is likely close to being future endeavored. A '0' is a faggot like Chimera giving head to his friends in some backyard wrestling promotion.


Colors:


Wrestlers would also be given one of four colors:


-Green
-Yellow
-Red
-Grey


-Green: Extremely likely to achieve that potential (correspondent to the number that you are rated),
-Yellow means you are somewhat likely to achieve that potential.
-Red means you are highly unlikely to achieve that potential.
-Grey means that you have already reached your potential and have pretty much 'peaked' and won't go any higher.


Some current Wrestlers that come to mind in terms of ratings:

If I had to give ratings to certain wrestlers of today in the WWE, here is what I'd give:


-John Cena = 5.0 Grey
-Roman Reigns = 4.0 yellow
-Daniel Bryan = 4.5 Red
-Bray Wyatt = 4.0 Green
-Dean Ambrose = 4.0 Red
-Seth Rollins = 4.0 Green
-Cesaro = 3.5 Green
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What 'rating' would you give to wrestlers based on the above descriptions? Do you think the ratings above are good descriptions? Do the wrestlers I cite as examples fit the criteria.


What would your ratings of the wrestlers be? Why?
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Andre is a 5. Come on.now

I would have no problems with Andre being listed as a '5', but would you really put him on the same level as Hogan, Austin, and The Rock? I figured he'd be closer to Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels in terms of his legacy.
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I would have no problems with Andre being listed as a '5', but would you really put him on the same level as Hogan, Austin, and The Rock? I figured he'd be closer to Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels in terms of his legacy.
Whether he is on the level of Hogan, Austin and Rock is something to be debated but he's definitely closer to them than Bret and Shawn.
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I'm completely confused by all of this.
The descriptions make it confusing because they're worded in the past tense even though the number is supposed to be based on potential.

But basically, what I think it is is the numbers represent potential and the color represents the likelihood and they reach that potential.

For example, Fandango would be a 5.0 Red.
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I would have no problems with Andre being listed as a '5', but would you really put him on the same level as Hogan, Austin, and The Rock? I figured he'd be closer to Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels in terms of his legacy.
Without a doubt yes. Andre didn't win many titles because he didn't have to. Also, it would mean that someone would have had to defeat Andre. He was unquestionably the biggest draw of the 70's/early 80's. Vince Sr would lend him out to other territories to bring in other big stars like Dusty Rhodes, Harley Race etc....
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I'm completely confused by all of this.



#1wwf-fan pretty much hit the nail on the head.


Potential (0,1,2,3,4,5) is the level that I think the wrestler can get to........or has already gotten to if they are given a 'grey' color.


Color (grey, green, yellow, red) is the likelihood of said wrestler reaching his perceived maximum potential.


For example - I think if Daniel Bryan is pushed right, and is pushed in the way that most WWE fans want him to be pushed, then I think he can get to that 4.5 level. However - I also believe that the likelihood for the WWE really going 'balls out' with Daniel Bryan is very slim, and so I gave him a 'red' color.


4.5 red.


Bryan, if pushed right, could be considered one of the all-time greats like a Taker or a Triple H, but I think the likelihood of the WWE making that happen is very small.
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The descriptions make it confusing because they're worded in the past tense even though the number is supposed to be based on potential.

But basically, what I think it is is the numbers represent potential and the color represents the likelihood and they reach that potential.

For example, Fandango would be a 5.0 Red.


Yes, you are completely correct.


Except I would give Fandango a 3.0 Yellow.
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Without a doubt yes. Andre didn't win many titles because he didn't have to. Also, it would mean that someone would have had to defeat Andre. He was unquestionably the biggest draw of the 70's/early 80's. Vince Sr would lend him out to other territories to bring in other big stars like Dusty Rhodes, Harley Race etc....

To be honest, I do think a legit case can be made for Andre The Giant being "on the same level" as Austin, Rock, and Hogan.


I'm just not really sure if Andre really "revolutionized" wrestling however (although I could be wrong).


Hulk Hogan was the guy that made wrestling cool and brought in new legions of fans. Austin was the guy that made wrestling cool again........and brought in new legions of fans. The Rock continued Austin's momentum when Austin got injured in 1999.


Hogan and The Rock became massive stars outside of the WWE as well, and became legit celebrities outside of the wrestling world.


I just don't know if Andre the Giant is in that category, but again, I'd have no problems with him being listed as a '5'.


As #1wwf-fan pointed out, Andre is a lot closer to Hogan/Austin/Rock level than he is Bret/Shawn/Taker. Maybe Andre is a 4.85?
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To be honest, I do think a legit case can be made for Andre The Giant being "on the same level" as Austin, Rock, and Hogan.


I'm just not really sure if Andre really "revolutionized" wrestling however (although I could be wrong).


Hulk Hogan was the guy that made wrestling cool and brought in new legions of fans. Austin was the guy that made wrestling cool again........and brought in new legions of fans. The Rock continued Austin's momentum when Austin got injured in 1999.


Hogan and The Rock became massive stars outside of the WWE as well, and became legit celebrities outside of the wrestling world.


I just don't know if Andre the Giant is in that category, but again, I'd have no problems with him being listed as a '5'.


As #1wwf-fan pointed out, Andre is a lot closer to Hogan/Austin/Rock level than he is Bret/Shawn/Taker. Maybe Andre is a 4.85?
Andre did become a big star outside of wrestling. He was THE attraction. I'd venture to guess that the average person knew who Andre the Giant was, especially if you were born before 1990. He was on Johnny Carson, David Letterman, etc... he had the Princess Bride which pretty much everyone saw, he travelled the world and sold out arenas everywhere. Wrestlemania 3 wouldn't have been such a success if it weren't for Andre. He was adored by fans. That's what made his heel turn so amazing.
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Andre did become a big star outside of wrestling. He was THE attraction. I'd venture to guess that the average person knew who Andre the Giant was, especially if you were born in the before 1990. He was on Johnny Carson, David Letterman, etc... he had the Princess Bride which pretty much everyone saw, he travelled the world and sold out arenas everywhere. Wrestlemania 3 wouldn't have been such a success if it weren't for Andre. He was adored by fans. That's what made his heel turn so amazing.


Hmmmmm.............


Based on that description, I guess I would put Andre at a 5.0; as I'm sure most wrestling experts would as well.
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To be honest, I don't follow NXT and so I would have no idea what their potential would.


Obviously - their CURRENT level would be below 2.0, but the potential could be anything.


I've heard great things about Sami Zayn however, and so off the top of my head, I'd put him at a 3.5 Yellow; maybe even a 3.5 Green.
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A 4.0 is someone that has had multiple world title reigns within the WWE, but have never really quite been "THE GUY" (As Triple H once stated in a promo last year). Most 4.0'ers will be considered HOF worthy without a doubt, but at no point in their careers, were these wrestlers ever considered to be "the guy that you build your company around."


Examples: Edge, Randy Orton, Dave Batista, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle,


Clarification on Randy Orton - Right now he's a 4.0, and although he has likely reached his maximum potential (i.e. 4.0 grey), perhaps there's a possibility that the WWE does more with Orton and makes him more of a legend somewhow (and so, maybe in a year or two, maybe I'd be inclined to give him a 4.5 red rating).
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So if someone is red and unlikely to reach their "potential", is it really his potential?
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So if someone is red and unlikely to reach their "potential", is it really his potential?


Yes.


If there is a discrepancy between how 'over' a wrestler is, and how the WWE intend to seemingly push said wrestler, then I believe a 'red' color is warranted.


Daniel Bryan for instance is way over with the fans for a wide variety of reasons (i.e. charisma, persona, wrestling ability, etc.). However, the WWE sees things differently for whatever reason. The reactions of the past two Royal Rumbles are evidence of the disparity.


For this reason, I believe that a guy like Daniel Bryan is more than capable of being a 4.5, but the WWE sees things differently. Maybe in 18 months or so, someone like Daniel Bryan's rating can be moved to 4.0 green, 4.0 yellow, or even 3.5 green if the WWE really decide to bury Daniel Bryan.
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D'Lo Brown is a guy that I thought could have been a lot bigger than he was.


Looking at the rating system, I have D'Lo Brown pegged as a '3', but I think he should have ended up as a solid 3.5 or MAYBE even a 4.0 if he had been pushed right (probably not 4.0, but definitely 3.5).


As a heel or face, D'Lo Brown was getting some very good crowd reactions from 1998-1999. Even in 2000 when the WWE started burying D'Lo Brown, the fans were giving him some very good reactions.


Shelton Benjamin = same thing. Given the WWE's "rebuilding phase" from about 2006-2009, I think Shelton Benjamin is one of those guys that should have had a transitional World/WWE title run of sorts.........like on Smackdown or something.
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I'd find it hard to class guys under this method, because I try to see larger potential in everyone.

For example, Adrian Neville has proven he can be an absolute beast in NXT. He often has the best match on a show, he can do absolutely amazing eye-catching maneuvers, and he can even cut a good promo content-wise. But he's got a thick accent, he's small (not as much of an issue now, but he is under 200lbs), and his character lends itself to fans turning on it when too credible (tall poppy syndrome). I could see him getting no higher than Evan Bourne on the main roster. I could also see him being a 4.0 player. More likely would be a 3.5 player, but he could definitely be a 3.0 player too. I mean, Xavier Woods is a great worker AND a great talker, and he'd be at a 2.0 right now. And his credibility is getting so slashed that he might even grey-out there sadly.

Finn Balor and Hideo Itami are the two guys that I see having more direct routes into the top tiers in that ranking. Balor seems primed to be a 4.0 guy. Itami might seem like the weakest in terms of position at the moment, but I see his work in NXT building, the GTS being added to his moveset, and him being given more of a push upon being main roster ready.

Sami Zayn is an extremely hot player in NXT, with months of stuff still to add to the programming down there, but his aesthetic could lead to him being a 3.0 player on the main roster, despite him probably being the best pure babyface the WWE has ever had. I mean that in a total package sense. Really, the way the guy comes off is like no one ever before in terms of how genuine and down-to-Earth, yet passionate he is. He's not even "too nice" as a character, like many other babyfaces who tell their stories in the ring. If you step on Sami Zayn, he steps back. But I can see him not talking on the main roster and being squashed by Rusev and being a mid-carder who gets a few months of consistent television time without doing much but "showing heart."
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I'd find it hard to class guys under this method, because I try to see larger potential in everyone.

Terrific post Noid.


Posts like the one above is still why I visit here once in awhile.


As far as your quote is concerned, the 'potential' category is what I think the WWE will cap off a wrestler at.


Using Xavier Woods as an example, Xavier is probably a '2' right now, but I think the WWE will realistically cap him off at either a 2.5 or a 3. So, maybe a "2.5 green" or a "3 red" is something that I'd classify Xavier as.


I have no idea who Finn Baylor is as I don't watch NXT unfortunately, but I hope you're right! WWE's definitely needs more 4+ potentials.


Outside of Reigns, Bryan, Rollins, Wyatt, Ambrose, and maybe Cesaro, I'm not sure who else on the roster can realistically reach that 4+ level.


I know many on here have high hopes for Luke Harper, but I think he'll realistically top out at the 3 or 3.5 level (3.0 Green or 3.5 Red would be my categorization of Luke Harper).
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I think Harper is a 3.5 green or a 4.0 red. He's got an odd look, but his ring skills are fucking good that I think he'll be given quite a few shots. Things are just too congested at the top with WrestleMania season upon us.

I wish I still saw that potential in Cesaro, but I worry that he's going to be a 3.0 at this point in time. They really booked him terribly after his WrestleMania win last year. If he becomes a 4.0, I'd be really happy though.
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As weird as this sounds, I'm not ready to write off Kofi Kingston as a 4.0 player at this point. Sure, he's been booked to look like the midiest mid-carder of all-time (a definite 3.0 right now), but Kofi has got the right skills that I can see him climbing, and he's one program away from being more of a 3.5 with 4.0 potential.
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I think Harper is a 3.5 green or a 4.0 red. He's got an odd look, but his ring skills are fucking good that I think he'll be given quite a few shots.

If I had to choose between the two, I'd go with 3.5 green. Maybe it's short-sightedness on my part, but I can't see Harper having multiple world title reigns for an extended period of time..........especially now that there's only one World/WWE title.


I see Harper getting to the level of Kane/Big Show, but I think Harper's 'look' will prevent him from progressing beyond that level.


Even though Cesaro has been horribly mishandled, I think the WWE will eventually smarten up with him. Cesaro has the 'look' and has always conducted himself professionally (unlike Ziggler for instance who buried Orton/HHH publicly a few years ago and got punished for it).


I like Cesaro's chances of getting to 3.5, and maybe even a 4.0.
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As weird as this sounds, I'm not ready to write off Kofi Kingston as a 4.0 player at this point. Sure, he's been booked to look like the midiest mid-carder of all-time (a definite 3.0 right now), but Kofi has got the right skills that I can see him climbing, and he's one program away from being more of a 3.5 with 4.0 potential.

I like your optimism with Kofi, but I think he'll be a 3.0'er for the rest of his career. I cannot see Kofi Kingston ever winning a World/WWE title. I think it's possible that he gets re-packaged at some point and gets into a feud with a main-eventer (i.e. think Val Venis - when Venis turned heel in late 99' and feuded with both The Rock and Mankind), but I think with Kofi, it's what we see is what we get.
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If Brock Lesnar ever decided to commit to the WWE and maintain a more active presence, he'd be a 4.5 Green easily.
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One guy who I thought had 4.0, maybe even 4.5, potential was Daniel Puder.


If you recall, Puder absolutely dominated Tough Enough 4 and was way over with the fans. This was at a time when UFC/MMA was starting to hit main-stream due to the Ken Shamrock/Tito Ortiz shenanigans. Puder also put Kurt Angle in the Kimura lock.


It's too bad that Puder couldn't contain his ego and "play ball" so to speak. Had Puder played ball and paid his dues, I think he could have won the World/WWE title post 2006...........a time period in which the WWE was very stale and was dying for new and emerging talent.
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Puder could have been bigger if his attitude towards the business didn't get in the way, definitely. That being said, the company went out of its way to make him look foolish during the 2005 Royal Rumble. The same approach dried up Kaval's interest in working for them, and he's another guy that I think could have actually been a big deal -- especially seeing what guys like CM Punk, Daniel Bryan and the NXT 5 have done.
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Puder could have been bigger if his attitude towards the business didn't get in the way, definitely. That being said, the company went out of its way to make him look foolish during the 2005 Royal Rumble. The same approach dried up Kaval's interest in working for them, and he's another guy that I think could have actually been a big deal -- especially seeing what guys like CM Punk, Daniel Bryan and the NXT 5 have done.

Completely agree.


p.s.______________I have never watched TNA before but am hearing rumors that there might be a mutual interest between Samoa Joe and the WWE.


I'm wondering what Samoa Joe's potential in the WWE would be?


Off the top of my head, I would guess 3.0 Yellow, or even 3.0 Green. With only one World, I don't see the WWE ever giving Samoa Joe a World/WWE title run, as they did to other 3.5's like RVD, Sheamus, Booker T, Alberto Del Rios, etc. during their respective times.
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I would put Joe at a 3.0 yellow. No way Joe would go on to win multiple world titles. He is a solid talent but not close to main event status.
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They should have given Puder a gimmick where he always has to go take a dump. Call him Poo-der ha!
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One guy who I thought had 4.0, maybe even 4.5, potential was Daniel Puder.


If you recall, Puder absolutely dominated Tough Enough 4 and was way over with the fans. This was at a time when UFC/MMA was starting to hit main-stream due to the Ken Shamrock/Tito Ortiz shenanigans. Puder also put Kurt Angle in the Kimura lock.


It's too bad that Puder couldn't contain his ego and "play ball" so to speak. Had Puder played ball and paid his dues, I think he could have won the World/WWE title post 2006...........a time period in which the WWE was very stale and was dying for new and emerging talent.
He tried to break Kurt's arm and make a name for himself, If WWE would have went with the Angle/Puder fued he would have had a good chance at a decent career but I don't think Kurt would have done it.
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