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Old 09-27-2005, 02:34 AM   #1
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So awesome.

I DONT SEE A THREAD ABOUT IT.

Too bad it's like 24. Except uh, it will be even harder to make a season 2... unless he goes into another prison somewheres.

Heartbreaking. The setup to the show is pretty awesome. The sexy Wentworth Miller is like a blue-collar Legolas. Always brooding, always deep in thought.

And equally as sexy, they have Peter Stormare, who played the voice of Dracula in "The Batman vs Dracula," and Dominic Purcell, who played Dracula in Blade Trinity.

Dunno, feel stupid "talking all about it," it's an awesome show, though it might be best rented on DVD as it's like 6 episodes in. When they take the midseason break and show reruns, check it out. It's just one of those shows where so many things unfold, like a long miniseries, or movie, or whatever... though it gets more and more convoluded every week... I won't say any more.

Anyone else watch it? PLZ say yes because I don't want them canceling this thing. Not before they get out. I don't want this to be another freaking "Models Inc," where I don't get to see what happens!!!

(though I'm assuming... they break out of prison.)

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Old 09-27-2005, 03:11 AM   #2
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I watched the first episode and liked it, but I've worked every time it has been on since then. So yeah.
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Old 09-27-2005, 04:04 AM   #3
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Old 09-27-2005, 12:22 PM   #4
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Great show. And, supposedly, the show's creator has two years' worth of shows planned out. Even if they do get out this season, there's still a ton of stuff that needs to be resolved (Fibonacchi, the Secret Service, etc.).
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Old 09-27-2005, 04:12 PM   #5
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Yeah I like it. However I feel the stuff outside of prison causes the show to drag. That lady lawyer is not interesting at all.
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Old 09-27-2005, 04:20 PM   #6
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I wanna watch the show, but it's on at the worst possible time for me.
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Old 09-27-2005, 04:25 PM   #7
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yeah me too. I saw the first but have missed the redt. Ther guy reminds me of Loose Cannon.
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Old 09-27-2005, 04:30 PM   #8
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I watched parts of like 2 episodes and it seemed mad good.

Always forget to watch it though, cause I never really watch TV.
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Old 09-27-2005, 04:33 PM   #9
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Wait, so the dude is in the same prison that he helped design? Isn't that a huge conflict of interest?

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Old 09-27-2005, 06:08 PM   #10
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He's a shithead. He didn't design the place, he was a subcontractor when they redid some of the plumbing or something like that. Like, he has the blueprints, right, but he didn't DESIGN the place. He just knows enough.

Anyway, yeah after I was thinking about it, once they are out they will have a shit ton of loose ends to worry about. Like what happens if T-Bag gets out with them? Will they feel responsible for all the raping and killing he will be doing? Will they try to stop him?

But my main beef will be... will it still be called prison break? That's the shitty part about it.

Anyway, with (WWF president Jack)Robin Tunney doing whatever, it can get boring, but the stories are coming closer and closer together. Like, it used to be two separate storylines, but the SS keep getting more hands-on in the prison system. But ROFL at when they tried getting him transferred, but Stacey "the man" Keach was like, FU NO, and they were like... "okay " and that was that.

Anyway, love the show. If I think too much about it though, I begin to realize how stupid it can be. Like how all of a sudden he's breaking down a concrete wall using a projection of satan's face? And nobody will find it? And how will he get all 30 people into the hole with him? Especially Lincoln, the fella on death row. Are they going to be escaping soon, with the lockdown? I mean, that and the whole "hit on Lincoln" thing going down, you'd think something has to happen soon. How many more opportunities will they get?

And what exactly is going to keep the group together? The Fibanacci(sp) thing, it seems like unless Scofield refuses to divulge the information (which will subsequently get EVERYONE killed), then Abruzzi has no reason to stick around. Unless he's like "omg yo, respect bro, u da man, lets hang out" after the awesomeness Scofield is pulling off. Dunno. So many questions make me moist.
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Old 09-29-2005, 01:10 AM   #11
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Old 10-01-2005, 01:14 AM   #13
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I just thought it was a bit convenient that he knew exactly how far away to put the lamp, and where exactly it was supposed to sit. He did the measurements using his eyes and his feet. Like he said, a couple inches off and blammo.

But how are they going to hide that gaping hole from the janitors?
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The show looked really intresting. I started to watch it and got 15 minutes into it but couldn't take it anymore. I think my problem is I can't handle another prison show. I mean nothing can be as good as OZ so all I did was compare the two. My one friend is really into it, I tried but couldn't get into it.
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That's like saying you can't stand House or ER because you're a fan of MASH.
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That's like saying you can't stand House or ER because you're a fan of MASH.
But House is my 2nd favorite show on right now. I know what you are saying though. Prison Break really looked intresting to me too. I gave it a try though. The fact I didn't like it didn't have much to do with OZ though.
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Quit saying though

Anyway, last season I loved Veronica Mars... twas a pretty smart show. And since it started before House, I never got to watch House . Then all of a sudden House starts season 2 first, and on a new night, so I can watch it... and really, House is the best show on TV. Lost is a Bruckheimer disaster, Desperate Housewives is... well... best-suited for daytime TV. All of the current comedies that are not animated, well, they pretty much blow hard. House is funnier than anything else on. Prison Break, though, is a pretty good guilty pleasure, just like Veronica Mars. It has some awesome stuff going on, and it has the Shawshank Redemption thing going for it; SR being the greatest movie of all time, of course. You have to love an innocent guy using the system against itself to free an innocent man.
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Bruckheimer has nothing to do with Lost. And it's the furthest thing from a disaster. Same with Desperate Housewives.
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Bruckheimer has nothing to do with Lost. And it's the furthest thing from a disaster. Same with Desperate Housewives.
Bruckheimer has everything to do with Lost. It's people like him who inspire shit like that.

And watching Housewives gives me an uneasy feeling that has nothing to do with Eva.
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Doctor: but if you do that he/she could die.

House: fuck you I'm doing it.

Doctor: wow you were right.
Yeah I'm starting to see that there's a pattern in every episode to that extent; but then it gets to the point where you KNOW what is going to happen with the case... it's all the things around it that matter. I said that the residents are all just there to support House. They all wear white, he is the only one wearing dark. And the medical cases (which, as you can tell, he tends to avoid anyway), are just a backdrop for the brilliance of the show.

But you have to think... which medical dramas actually have originality that isn't absurd? i.e. a helicopter falling on a dude on ER?
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Bruckheimer has nothing to do with Lost. And it's the furthest thing from a disaster. Same with Desperate Housewives.
Also, if throwing millions of dollars at a TV show means automatic ratings and Emmy awards, then SKIN and THE TICK should be celebrating their... what, 5th season already?
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They should slowly turn house in to a sketch comedy series IMO
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Also, if throwing millions of dollars at a TV show means automatic ratings and Emmy awards, then SKIN and THE TICK should be celebrating their... what, 5th season already?

I still don't get where Bruckheimer fits in, but ok. Lost and Housewives are successful because of their quality writing and acting which equate to an entertaining hour of tv. There is no other show on today that compares to Lost, IMO. The amount of discussion this show creates among the viewers is huge. There hasn't been a show of this type that has people talking since X-Files, and before that, Twin Peaks.

Skin failed because it was a crappy show. Terrible writing, non-sensical plots etc. I honestly thought the The Tick was decent but it's not the type of show to appeal to a lot of people. Also, they were both on FOX. A network that cancels a show just because they feel like it.
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If you can't see the correlation between Lost and Bruckheimer, then you obviously wouldn't see that it's not as good as people suss it up to be.

Every show garners discussion. Not this much since X Files? Please. The intelligence and tension involved in X-Files blew everything else out of the water. Everything I have seen in Lost I have seen in a blockbuster movie -- generally those produced by one J. Bruckheimer.
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Don't think we'll be agreeing here...but I do get what you're saying.

So how about that Prison Break?
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I don't get what he's saying. I mean, I get what he's saying, but he doesn't know what he's talking about, so I don't get it. Does that make sense?


But, yeah, Prison Break rules.
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It makes sense, but that doesn't matter since you aren't explaining yourself so all I'm hearing is you saying I don't know what I'm talking about.

So please enlighten me.
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Okay. It's late, and I should get to bed, but here's the quick version.

"Bruckheimer" movies

Explosion after explosion after explosion. Archetypal characters whose one story purpose is to try to put the next explosion into some sort of perspective (and usually failing due to bad writing). Huge stars doing little more than looking pretty while surrounded by fantastic special effects that add nothing to the story.

Lost

Ensemble of little-known actors hired for their ability to play their roles. Engaging characters with multiple levels. Scripts that build off of what came before and build to the eventual conclusion without resorting to cliches or trickery. Clever dialogue. Minimalist special effects (wisps of smoke, uprooted trees) that are there only to further the story, not to "look pretty."

Conclusion

Like I said, I can understand what you were saying, because from just watching commercials for "Lost," you see a big plane crash, a bunch of pretty people, and something about a monster. But if you actually sat down and watched a couple of episodes, you'd see that your first impression is way off.

Enlightened yet, or do I need to take another crack at this in the morning?
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Okay. It's late, and I should get to bed, but here's the quick version.

"Bruckheimer" movies

Explosion after explosion after explosion. Archetypal characters whose one story purpose is to try to put the next explosion into some sort of perspective (and usually failing due to bad writing). Huge stars doing little more than looking pretty while surrounded by fantastic special effects that add nothing to the story.

Lost

Ensemble of little-known actors hired for their ability to play their roles. Engaging characters with multiple levels. Scripts that build off of what came before and build to the eventual conclusion without resorting to cliches or trickery. Clever dialogue. Minimalist special effects (wisps of smoke, uprooted trees) that are there only to further the story, not to "look pretty."

Conclusion

Like I said, I can understand what you were saying, because from just watching commercials for "Lost," you see a big plane crash, a bunch of pretty people, and something about a monster. But if you actually sat down and watched a couple of episodes, you'd see that your first impression is way off.

Enlightened yet, or do I need to take another crack at this in the morning?
So since you like it, the effects are minimalist... otherwise, they would be considered cheap, low-budget, cheesy?

Little-known actors? First off, good shows create stars, not the other way around, and the Hobbit and the Party of 5 dude aren't unknowns, but that's not important. Point is, what I've seen of Lost is, the characters are all types, they are not all that "deep," and their depth is only superficial, as in, even their depth is typical. Like a badass with a heart of gold, the hero with a death wish, the quiet one with a secret... and with so many different characters, they can deal with every possible type and go from there. I'm sure the show will only grow in popularity as the producers realize which characters are the most relatable, since they have a fucking stable (like a soap opera), to "keep things fresh." I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it's definitely one of many Bruckheimer-esque tools they use. Ensemble cast that is spread so thin that they can give the appearance of depth, without having the time to properly develop a character as an individual (rather than a type).

Now, I have to come out and admit that I have not watched "a few" episodes of Lost. I watched the season finale. And for the life of me, I can not watch another episode ever again. Everything I saw in that show I have seen before. Only cool things were 1) the gun powder cauterization and 2) pirates stealing the kid.

But then, there goes a definite downside to the ensemble cast... so many things going on, that nobody will like all of them. And some of the more star-struck, blindly enamoured people will ignore the things they don't like because they so thoroughly love everything else... but I can't get past them. That's why I love or hate a show. It can't be everywhere. Which is why I like Prison Break. It has a star. It's not confused. But it's oh, oh so wonderful. I am starting to really love the character of T-Bag. I would hold his pocket any day.

But this is like Smallville, as in... it's a huge clusterfuck, and how the hell would they be able to cover up all of the people who know? I should think it's not that easy to hide a freaking prison break.
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I'd advise you watch the full season of Lost.

Also, Prison Break is a good show.
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So by your logic... if I go out with a girl and she makes me uncomfortable and disgusts me, I should marry her?
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I'm sorry, but Matthew Fox and Dominic Monaghan aren't bankable stars. Well, they are now, but last TV season, they weren't. Also, notice I said "little-known" and not "unknown." There's a difference. Let's look at the cast:

Matthew Fox - Was on a series that was cancelled five years ago (so is Don Johnson a bankable star? Is that why "Just Legal" is doing so well?)

Dominic Monaghan - Probably the tenth-best known actor from the LotR series (behind Wood, Astin, McKellen, Mortensen, Lee, Tyler, Weaving, Blanchett, and now Otto). Just being in a massive movie doesn't make you a big star. See Ian McDiarmid.

Evangeline Lilly - I'm not kidding, she was in "Live Links" commercials before Lost. You know, meet hundreds of local singles who are just dying to talk to you.

Terry O'Quinn - Ton of guest appearances on shows like "West Wing" and "Alias," but nobody knows who the fuck he is. Well, they do now, since John Locke is the most interesting character on television. But last fall, they didn't.

Josh Holloway - Who?

Maggie Grace - Who?

Naveen Andrews - Who?

Emilie de Ravin - Who?

But, hey, if you can't bring yourself to watch more than an episode, that's fine. But you really shouldn't be making generalities. I hated "Family Guy" the first time I watched it, but it wasn't until the third or fourth episode I watched (trying to figure out what all the fuss was) that I realized how truly unfunny it was. Ditto "CSI" (except replace "funny" with "watchable").

I guess the point is, if you're going to dismiss it, that's cool, but at least don't base your assumptions on the very last episode of a season. Of course characters and story arcs will look shallow if you only get a two-hour glimpse at them.
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No, see, I'll make an argument on your behalf.

Family Guy is a comedy. You really have no reason to have to watch more than one episode, except to catch minor things like Chris' dirty old man, and the evil monkey. Other than that... a sitcom isn't meant to have continuity, so granted, I'd have to watch the entire season to get the "big picture" of Lost. That's what you should have said to make a proper comparison between the two.

That being said... Family Guy is a great show, and I liked it from the first episode. Now, I say liked. I didn't love it until later. The thing with the comedies, however, is that they get better as they settle into their niche. Simpsons took like 5 seasons to peak. Family Guy IMO peaked real quickly, but then you take secondary series, like Futurama and American Dad... they pretty much blew right away: First due to their own tendencies and expectations, secondly because of the audience looking for the same genius as their predecessors, as well as a step up in evolution. Futurama eventually achieved that (and cult success on Adult Swim), and maybe American Dad will eventually, as well. As it stands, American Dad IMO sucks compared to Family Guy, because it's practically the same basis -- and as long as it's on the air, they need to keep developing an identity for it, all its own.

But back to Lost... I don't know about you guys, but I have a tendency to watch Soaps from time to time. I watch the NBC soaps now and again(and even Starting Over when they had Vanessa Atler ), and when I was younger, I watched the ABC soaps. They were serials, and tended to be only good to watch if you could keep up, and maintain the continuity. The thing with Soaps is, however, that they suck viewers in with hot bitches, and extremely hilarious and absurd situations, coupled with the cheesiest of dialogue and the looks before commercials. How can you not watch that shit?

Anyway, look at Lost: It's a show that takes itself serious, and as such, it is held to higher standards, and in an episode standing alone, it needs to be good. Every hour should be quality, because forcing someone to watch every episode to enjoy it as a whole is a trick. Wanting to know what happens next supercedes the quality of the show, and you end up saying "I like it because I wanna know how Charlie is going to overcome his Cancer and get his brothers and sisters off the island and back to the Shire with the Hobbit." Nah. You need to put the episode first. I'm going to use Boondockle's example: X-Files. Every episode was awesome. All by itself. But deep down in the heart of it, there was a conspiracy, a mystery to be solved. But that wasn't the be-all and end-all of the show. Shows like that always end up growing tired.

Take Dark Angel for example. It blew its load in the first season. The mystery was solved, and everything was resolved. Season Two was like... what? Okay, try hard. That's what happens when you take a Bruckheimer (or Jim Cameron) approach to making a show. That's what I'm afraid of for stupid Prison Break. Eventually, they will get out of prison, and the conspiracy will be settled. And if they aren't careful, they will ruin the show.

And they can't stay in prison, either. And the people of Lost can't conceivably stay on the island, either.
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I take it you don't like "24" either.
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Oh, and the one who annoyed me the most was the old bald crippled dude. Most interesting character on TV? My ass. That's Gregory House, MD.
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I take it you don't like "24" either.
By the fact that I like Prison Break and Days of our Lives, you should know I don't hate all serials. I can easily sit through an episode of 24.

It's just Lost. Just. Lost.
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Fair enough. I may not understand your rationale, but hey, you like what you like, right?
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