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Old 01-24-2015, 02:01 PM   #81
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Hulkamania ran wild for 9 years. Austin and The Rock carried 'Mania for several years, as have Cena and HHH. Don't give me this 12 year old kid deja vu bullshit about Daniel Bryan for 2 consecutive years. The best stories, characters and personalities carry WM, and Bryan ' s pops and "overness" are genuine and legitimate... therefore not to be dismissed and ignored. I'm not even a huge backer of DBry, but it's just common sense.
Bryan isn't and never will be considered on the same level as those guys who are icons, legends of the business.

This isn't about him being a "small guy" or anything. Rey Mysterior and Eddie were small guys and amongst the best of all time.

Bryan isn't that good and quite a fairr few members of the roster get "huge pops". And as for the "Daniel Bryan story", well even that has gone stale now.

The Authority storyline is pretty much entering the final phase and it seems that Sting v Triple H is going to mark that.
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Old 01-24-2015, 02:18 PM   #82
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What is stopping Bryan from being a legend? How is he not that good?
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Old 01-24-2015, 02:38 PM   #83
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He's too normal. I guess within the world of wrestling he could be a "legend" in the same way Eddie, Rey, etc. is but his appeal is limited to "he's an amazing technician". That's not enough anymore. As a personality, there's nothing amazing about him.

I love the guy but the people who think he should be on that level should slow down a bit.
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Old 01-24-2015, 03:14 PM   #84
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Bret hart has a wooden personality and is as normal as they come and he's a legend

And Bryan has more personality than him

However it is too early to start putting him in the Legends catagory
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Old 01-24-2015, 03:24 PM   #85
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Other than longevity, there's nothing that 2015 Daniel Bryan doesn't have that mid-'90s Bret Hart had.
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Daniel Bryan reminds me of HBK in so many ways.

He's the best guy on the roster, for one. Two, with his long hair now it's really starting to pop out at me. 3. The boyhood dream is so similar to Daniel's story and the parallels between the two of them fighting for years to finally get the much deserved top spot are uncanny.

I think WWE is going to go with Cena vs Bryan at WM. If it were an iron man match, even better.
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Old 01-24-2015, 04:39 PM   #87
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Bret hart has a wooden personality and is as normal as they come and he's a legend

And Bryan has more personality than him

However it is too early to start putting him in the Legends catagory
Hart was cool. With a name like "The Hitman", his leather jacket, shades, rocker-like hair, he had the look and the in-ring ability and was involved in memorable matches.

Sure Bryan's career is far from over but other than an "against the odds" storyline like him vs the authority, what else has he got going for him?

He's too normal.

Rey and Eddie had ability and persona and memorable feuds. Maybe in time I will warm to Bryan but I really don't see what all the fuss is about with him.
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Not only is Bryan excellent, I think a lot of the desire to see him main event another WrestleMania and win the title again is because we never got to see him get a proper run. Him winning at WrestleMania was such a great feel-good moment, but nothing came of it. They put him on the backburner in a terrible Kane feud while Evolution's return took center stage, and then he got hurt.

If Bryan had stayed healthy, main evented several PPVs, and then dropped the belt to Lesnar at SummerSlam. I honestly think everybody, IWC included would have been fine with Bryan moving on to another program while Reigns wins the Rumble and takes over as face of the company. But between Bryan's injury robbing him of a proper title run and Reigns being underwhelming as a solo act to this point, the average fan would rather see Bryan main event Mania and actually get a real run.

That's not to say I think casuals will shit on Reigns, I don't think that at all. But if the Rumble were being held in any arena in the country and you had Bryan and Reigns as the final two, I think any audience would root for Bryan. If Bryan doesn't win this Rumble, I almost wonder if WWE made a mistake bringing him back before February.
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Not only is Bryan excellent, I think a lot of the desire to see him main event another WrestleMania and win the title again is because we never got to see him get a proper run. Him winning at WrestleMania was such a great feel-good moment, but nothing came of it. They put him on the backburner in a terrible Kane feud while Evolution's return took center stage, and then he got hurt.

If Bryan had stayed healthy, main evented several PPVs, and then dropped the belt to Lesnar at SummerSlam. I honestly think everybody, IWC included would have been fine with Bryan moving on to another program while Reigns wins the Rumble and takes over as face of the company. But between Bryan's injury robbing him of a proper title run and Reigns being underwhelming as a solo act to this point, the average fan would rather see Bryan main event Mania and actually get a real run.

That's not to say I think casuals will shit on Reigns, I don't think that at all. But if the Rumble were being held in any arena in the country and you had Bryan and Reigns as the final two, I think any audience would root for Bryan. If Bryan doesn't win this Rumble, I almost wonder if WWE made a mistake bringing him back before February.

I get the point about the whole Bryan "not having his run" bit, that was just rotten luck on his part. But there are more wrestlers on the roster than Daniel Bryan and it seems stupid to give him a run for the sake of making up for lost time.

The way I see it of the "active" members of the roster only Cena is the true AAA superstar. Lesnar is a part-timer, Sting has his legacy but a part-timer, Undertaker is as good as retired and Triple H hardly wrestles. You could make a case for Randy Orton but I feel he never quite endeared himself to the fans. Ziggler isn't quite there. Rey Mysterio was once second to Cena in terms of merchandise sales I believe at one point but injuries and time away has probably meant he's faded somewhat from popularity.

If Edge hadn't retired early then he would have no doubt still been a main-event player as would have CM Punk if he hadn't left. Bryan has only really been elevated to position because of absentees, retirements etc.

Don't get me wrong I'm not a Bryan hater, I just don't consider him THAT great.

Frankly I would have liked to have seen Sheamus and Barrett given further pushes.
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He's too normal. I guess within the world of wrestling he could be a "legend" in the same way Eddie, Rey, etc. is but his appeal is limited to "he's an amazing technician". That's not enough anymore. As a personality, there's nothing amazing about him.

I love the guy but the people who think he should be on that level should slow down a bit.
Exactly but I don't think it's fair to say he won't be up there after it's all said and done. Out of everyone on the roster, not including Cena, Brock, and HHH, he is the only guy with a chance to even be in the discussion of becoming a legend.
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When Punk was leaving Bryan was gaining momentum like crazy to the point he was overshadowing Punk and I remember seeing somewhere Punk pretty much putting Bryan over as the guy (sure he was probably still upset at his lack of main event push) but he was also cheer-leading the idea of Bryan being on top.
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Hulkamania ran wild for 9 years. Austin and The Rock carried 'Mania for several years, as have Cena and HHH. Don't give me this 12 year old kid deja vu bullshit about Daniel Bryan for 2 consecutive years. The best stories, characters and personalities carry WM, and Bryan ' s pops and "overness" are genuine and legitimate... therefore not to be dismissed and ignored. I'm not even a huge backer of DBry, but it's just common sense.
Don't bother with this guy. In his book nobody should have a second title run.

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I get the point about the whole Bryan "not having his run" bit, that was just rotten luck on his part. But there are more wrestlers on the roster than Daniel Bryan and it seems stupid to give him a run for the sake of making up for lost time.

The way I see it of the "active" members of the roster only Cena is the true AAA superstar. Lesnar is a part-timer, Sting has his legacy but a part-timer, Undertaker is as good as retired and Triple H hardly wrestles. You could make a case for Randy Orton but I feel he never quite endeared himself to the fans. Ziggler isn't quite there. Rey Mysterio was once second to Cena in terms of merchandise sales I believe at one point but injuries and time away has probably meant he's faded somewhat from popularity.

If Edge hadn't retired early then he would have no doubt still been a main-event player as would have CM Punk if he hadn't left. Bryan has only really been elevated to position because of absentees, retirements etc.

Don't get me wrong I'm not a Bryan hater, I just don't consider him THAT great.

Frankly I would have liked to have seen Sheamus and Barrett given further pushes.
He was only elevated because the fans demanded it. You can bet your ass WWE never planned to get Bryan to this point. He caught on against all odds and that's part of the endearing quality he has.
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Talk about taking my own advice...
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Don't bother with this guy. In his book nobody should have a second title run.



He was only elevated because the fans demanded it. You can bet your ass WWE never planned to get Bryan to this point. He caught on against all odds and that's part of the endearing quality he has.
No I never said that dumbass. All I said was that Bryan wasn't worthy of a second title run, in fact, a fourth title run, fifth if you consider the WHC too.

Bryan isn't the only the person on the roster and popularity rises and wanes with time.
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Other than longevity, there's nothing that 2015 Daniel Bryan doesn't have that mid-'90s Bret Hart had.
90's Bret Hart had the luxury of being a focal point through part of the two hottest periods in wrestling history and happened to be in one of the most controversial moments ever. If it wasn't for that, he would not be nearly as big of a deal. Daniel Bryan exists in a time where wrestling is the drizzling shits even to most of the people who still follow it. Big disadvantage.
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Franchise, Bryan isn't worthy of second title run? oh ok. Thank God you're not booking.

How do you feel about Fandango?
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Hart was cool. With a name like "The Hitman", his leather jacket, shades, rocker-like hair, he had the look and the in-ring ability and was involved in memorable matches.

Sure Bryan's career is far from over but other than an "against the odds" storyline like him vs the authority, what else has he got going for him?

He's too normal.

Rey and Eddie had ability and persona and memorable feuds. Maybe in time I will warm to Bryan but I really don't see what all the fuss is about with him.
You are suggesting a big part of the reason Hart was over was he had a look to him. The same could be said for Bryan, the leather Jacket and wet hair and all that is a look that speaks to Harts time it was a cool look.Bryan's look reflects the time we are in now,the current western world champions the average joe Bryan is cool because he's a nerdy scruffy looking everyman that is his look whether purposefully cultivated or not. In fact the Stone Cold same thing very basic look and an everyman like Bryan, but where Stone Cold touched the part of us that wanted to be a take no shit anti -hero who kicked the shit outta our bosses, flipped him the bird and quit our shitty job Bryan speaks to the part of us that is that lovable loser who is average but trains and fights hard to be more and every time hes in the ring he goes all out to win.
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You are suggesting a big part of the reason Hart was over was he had a look to him. The same could be said for Bryan, the leather Jacket and wet hair and all that is a look that speaks to Harts time it was a cool look.Bryan's look reflects the time we are in now,the current western world champions the average joe Bryan is cool because he's a nerdy scruffy looking everyman that is his look whether purposefully cultivated or not. In fact the Stone Cold same thing very basic look and an everyman like Bryan, but where Stone Cold touched the part of us that wanted to be a take no shit anti -hero who kicked the shit outta our bosses, flipped him the bird and quit our shitty job Bryan speaks to the part of us that is that lovable loser who is average but trains and fights hard to be more and every time hes in the ring he goes all out to win.
We already had a loveable loser before by the name of Mick Foley whom again Bryan isn't on the same level as.

Bryan may be "hot" now but this time next year, five years from now, ten years from now we won't be viewing him in the same light.
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So why shouldn't they capitalize now while he's hot? Should they keep giving the belt to Cena, because people will still be talking about him in ten years?
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We already had a loveable loser before by the name of Mick Foley whom again Bryan isn't on the same level as.

Bryan may be "hot" now but this time next year, five years from now, ten years from now we won't be viewing him in the same light.
A huge chunk of todays audience doesn't even know Mick Foley was a thing.

Bryan and Foley are two different monsters in terms of style and presentation

So a Roman Reigns will be hot and stay hot in the next five years?Who can say what the future holds really but Bryan has a hell of a lead over Regins as far as watchabilty and the potential for staying power goes A lot of people don't wanna see Reigns now let alone 5 yrs down the line. Despite his push to head of the pack its backfiring badly and tomorrow he is in Philadelphia.
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There is no way to predict how over Bryan or any guy will be in a year. He's clearly the hottest act in the company. Regardless of how long his momentum will last, it's here now and they should ride the wave while they can.
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So why shouldn't they capitalize now while he's hot? Should they keep giving the belt to Cena, because people will still be talking about him in ten years?
There are others on the roster too who are "hot" right now. Reigns may not be getting as huge a pop in recent weeks but he was voted superstar of the year for 2014 by WWE fans so clearly he is a big deal. Rollins and Ambrose much as I don't rate them as highly also seem to garner a decent enough reaction and of course Bray Wyatt, Ziggler's rep has gone up post-Survivor Series, Rusev is seemingly becoming a popular heel.

A lot of the fans merely like what is shoved in their faces and if they were placing Reigns in main events and prime feuds rather than Big Show who's a cheesesteak away from a heart attack, maybe they'd be cheering for him instead of whole "yes yes yes" rubbish.

No they shouldn't keep giving the belt to Cena either but the WWE is more than just Cena and simply putting Bryan on that pedestal because of a brief popularity fad is ridiculous.

You go on about Hulkamania. Hulk Hogan transcended the business, people who otherwise knew nothing about wrestling would know who Hulk Hogan was and he brought in new fans and still to this day generates a favorable reaction whenever he comes out to do his promos.

Bryan may be hot now because people are warming to his weedy, loser image battling against the Authority and to some extent it works well. But then what happens when the Authority comes to complete conclusion which it will sooner rather than later?

What is going to keep him relevant i.e. main-event draw, prime billing etc.?
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Franchise, Bryan isn't worthy of second title run? oh ok. Thank God you're not booking.

How do you feel about Fandango?
You mean a fifth title run (including WHC title)?

Fandango is just another Disco Inferno. Funny to watch but then eventually we get bored and realise he's just there to fill up the time.
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Maybe nothing. When that happens, you move on to what the hottest act in the company is. Right now, that's Bryan. Ride the wave while you can, then move on when something better comes along.
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And none of the people you mentioned are anywhere near as over as Bryan is.
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Listen guys, Bryan has been white hot for over a year now. This means he is never going to become a legend becuase his popularity is going to drizzle out. Because, you know, that has not happened in the least for the past year and a half to two years.
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And none of the people you mentioned are anywhere near as over as Bryan is.
But they will certain have the ability and longevity and relevance to remain in the main event picture long after this period of Daniel Bryan hype has fizzled out.

Besides it's not as if Bryan has only been given a push now, he's held a title every year since 2010 right; US title, MITB, tag team titles, WHC at WM, WWE title match at Summerslam, Night of Champions, WM 31. Ok given he's been given top billing in the last year or two.

But I stand by the notion that once the Authority storyline is done, that really is it for Bryan in terms of a prime billing. Sure he might be involved in the odd title match if it's a three way or four way or if they decide to bring back the Elimination Chamber or even a King of the Ring tournament.

But I can't see how else he is going to function as a main-eventer unless it's some storyline battling the odds and he's done that 1001 times already now.

The fans will get bored of it just like some are sick of Cena.
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Listen guys, Bryan has been white hot for over a year now. This means he is never going to become a legend becuase his popularity is going to drizzle out. Because, you know, that has not happened in the least for the past year and a half to two years.
It hasn't happened because he's been injured and hence not constantly on TV. Had he not got injured post WM XXX, he most likely would have held onto the title for an extended period and maybe storylines would have been adapted accordingly etc. It didn't happen that was just his rotten luck.

If he's still main eventing in 5 years time then we can start discussing him as a legend.

Somehow I doubt he will be, not in the WWE at least.
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Then you're reinforcing my point; WWE are only pushing him because they know he has a short shelf-life in terms of popularity and main-event exposure etc. Doesn't bode well for the future.
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WWE, despite what Vince says, abhors making new top-level stars. It took Hogan jumping to WCW to make Bret the #1 guy. It took Montreal to make it Austin. It took Austin taking his ball and going home to make it Brock. It took the NFL to make it Cena. There have been other big stars along the way (Savage, Warrior, HBK, Luger, Rock, HHH, Angle, Orton, Punk were all solid #2 players), but until something catastrophic happens to Cena, no one will ever get the opportunity to carry the company.

Let's not kid ourselves that Bryan winning the title would make him The Guy. This will always be Cena's company until the day he dies/leaves. But, if you have the chance to capitalize on the most popular guy on your roster WHILE HE'S HOT, you do it.
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Why, because I choose not to follow the sheep and like Bryan and think he's shit?
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There are others on the roster too who are "hot" right now. Reigns may not be getting as huge a pop in recent weeks but he was voted superstar of the year for 2014 by WWE fans so clearly he is a big deal. Rollins and Ambrose much as I don't rate them as highly also seem to garner a decent enough reaction and of course Bray Wyatt, Ziggler's rep has gone up post-Survivor Series, Rusev is seemingly becoming a popular heel.

A lot of the fans merely like what is shoved in their faces and if they were placing Reigns in main events and prime feuds rather than Big Show who's a cheesesteak away from a heart attack, maybe they'd be cheering for him instead of whole "yes yes yes" rubbish.

No they shouldn't keep giving the belt to Cena either but the WWE is more than just Cena and simply putting Bryan on that pedestal because of a brief popularity fad is ridiculous.

You go on about Hulkamania. Hulk Hogan transcended the business, people who otherwise knew nothing about wrestling would know who Hulk Hogan was and he brought in new fans and still to this day generates a favorable reaction whenever he comes out to do his promos.

Bryan may be hot now because people are warming to his weedy, loser image battling against the Authority and to some extent it works well. But then what happens when the Authority comes to complete conclusion which it will sooner rather than later?

What is going to keep him relevant i.e. main-event draw, prime billing etc.?
And you think people won't tire of Romans get beat a little then Superman punch and spear and then cut a really bland promo routine the fact that I can see it this early is telling. Bryan's "Yes" may get old his fight against the Authority cannot last but he has a certain charisma its not like the Rock its its own thing and more low key(except for his intense moments) but having said all that its Bryan's in ring-ability combined with those other factors that gets him over every time. It really is saying something in the world of sports entertainment that a crowd gets behind a guy because he can wrestle. When Bryan steps in the ring I know I'm in for a treat bell to bell and that's exciting to me. Not only that but because its the WWE there's certain popular moves a wrestler will hit with DB you know if he had to reach into his wrestling well he would he can always change it up (see vs CM Punk) Roman is a pretty face a few flashy but monotonous moves and the charisma and mic skills of a parking barrier (some of that may be Vince's meddling but the guy wasn't a strong promo to start with) And you'd rather see him vs Brock as opposed to the complete epic Brock could have with Bryan? You'd go with the guy who may or may not deliver as opposed the guy you know its gonna be awesome?
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WWE, despite what Vince says, abhors making new top-level stars. It took Hogan jumping to WCW to make Bret the #1 guy. It took Montreal to make it Austin. It took Austin taking his ball and going home to make it Brock. It took the NFL to make it Cena. There have been other big stars along the way (Savage, Warrior, HBK, Luger, Rock, HHH, Angle, Orton, Punk were all solid #2 players), but until something catastrophic happens to Cena, no one will ever get the opportunity to carry the company.

Let's not kid ourselves that Bryan winning the title would make him The Guy. This will always be Cena's company until the day he dies/leaves. But, if you have the chance to capitalize on the most popular guy on your roster WHILE HE'S HOT, you do it.
People seem to be getting the wrong end of the stick here.

I never said Bryan wasn't popular, I just don't think he's particularly good or worthy of that position.

I feel the same way about Lesnar all he is a big, brutish bag of steroids, about as much mic skills as a soft-boiled egg and the IQ of a soft-boiled egg and yet as a part-timer who clearly has no interest or passion for the wrestling business or its fans, he's made the WWE champ and was given the distinction of ending the streak. He is imo (my opinion) one of the most overrated and undeserving superstars of all time and the BS he produced at WM 20 still lingers in my mind. In that respect I would advocate Bryan being a champion as at least he is there week in week out when he isn't injured and I don't doubt he puts in an incredible amount of hard work. With Lesnar it seems every other day on TPWW news or elsewhere there is talk of him going back to UFC it seems that way since he came back.


My issue with Bryan is that I can't see in what capacity he is going to be placed in the main-even picture again once this current storyline is over. This storyline was ideal for him i.e. the loser vs the evil boss etc. He fits that bill. But what happens when it's over?
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And you think people won't tire of Romans get beat a little then Superman punch and spear and then cut a really bland promo routine the fact that I can see it this early is telling. Bryan's "Yes" may get old his fight against the Authority cannot last but he has a certain charisma its not like the Rock its its own thing and more low key(except for his intense moments) but having said all that its Bryan's in ring-ability combined with those other factors that gets him over every time. It really is saying something in the world of sports entertainment that a crowd gets behind a guy because he can wrestle. When Bryan steps in the ring I know I'm in for a treat bell to bell and that's exciting to me. Not only that but because its the WWE there's certain popular moves a wrestler will hit with DB you know if he had to reach into his wrestling well he would he can always change it up (see vs CM Punk) Roman is a pretty face a few flashy but monotonous moves and the charisma and mic skills of a parking barrier (some of that may be Vince's meddling but the guy wasn't a strong promo to start with) And you'd rather see him vs Brock as opposed to the complete epic Brock could have with Bryan? You'd go with the guy who may or may not deliver vs the guy you know its gonna be awesome?

You make it sound as if he is the only person who had in-ring ability. Bret Hart is considered one of the best, Chris Jericho, even RVD and Punk and dare I say it even Chris Benoit. The latter is controversial I know but he was popular in his prime and more than anything was noted for his skill. But perhaps his more imposing physique than Bryan's made him more of match for main a main event fixture etc.

I should have put Kurt Angle in the above list.
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I don't know. Sounds like a good reason to keep tuning in every week to find out what they can come up with, doesn't it? If I knew what the next plot was going to be, why would I watch?
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A new feud starts just like it would for anyone. That is like saying what happens to Reigns after the Big Show feud is done. We don't know yet because we can't see into the future.
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Agreed but will anything be as exciting? And I refer to Bryan in some main-event capacity.

Team Hell No worked because it was funny in some respects.

Big Show hasn't been "exciting" for a long time but what exactly can you do with a 7ft monster except have him bully people, punch their lights out and have a 700th heel turn? How the days of Show/Giant headlining title matches must seem like a lifetime ago.
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I am sure if the writers make it exciting it will be. Don't see how that has anything to do with Bryan. He can go against Rollins and it will easily be entertaining. Could even do a Cena vs Bryan feud at the next major ppv. Turning Reigns heel (Which can be argued is needed) and have him try to be a bully to Bryan. But the thing is, none of this is up to Bryan really. He just needs to go out there and be entertaining like he has been since before Team Hell No.
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