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Old 12-17-2012, 04:43 PM   #38561
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Still in 2004 and after enduring the debuts of Snitsky and Heidenreich, so happy to see Carlito waltz out on Smackdown.
Yessssssssssssss. Now Simon Dean has debuted and the Hassan promos have started airing.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:46 PM   #38562
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Yessssssssssssss. Now Simon Dean has debuted and the Hassan promos have started airing.
"enduring" ? Snitsky and Heidenreich were awesome characters. Face Heidenreich sucked though.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:48 PM   #38563
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:24 PM   #38564
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Beautiful Bryan and k(...) Kane...the yes/no express

Can't think of a k word to describe kane
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:25 PM   #38565
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:30 PM   #38566
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Kandy Kane if Kane decides he wants to be a gay male stripper
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:41 PM   #38567
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That'd be a hell of a gimmick, actually.
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Do not want.

Reminds me of a pic of an anthro fox with his you know what wrapped like a candy cane
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:47 PM   #38570
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How the Storytelling Medium of Professional Wrestling Broke Down


At its best, professional wrestling is a storytelling medium — albeit one that’s mostly built on guys in tiny pants beating each other into submission two or three times a week — but over the past year, World Wrestling Entertainment’s mechanism of good guys, bad guys, plot twists and the strange logic that leads every single conflict to be settled in the ring has become increasingly broken. There’s a disconnect between what they’re telling us and what’s actually happening in their stories, and there’s no character that embodies that problem more than John Cena.

Even if you don’t watch pro wrestling, you’ve probably seen John Cena at least a few times. He’s the big square guy in jorts, dog tags and a crew cut who’s responsible for selling an entire rainbow of t-shirts advising young wrestling fans to live by the nebulous tenets of “Hustle, Loyalty and Respect.” As a character, he’s spent the last ten years evolving from a wannabe gangsta to the top good guy in wrestling, a stand-up hero who fights for what’s right no matter what it might cost him.

The thing is, he’s not. He’s more like the snobs who tried to get Delta House guys in Animal House kicked out of college.

For better or worse, Cena’s the face of World Wrestling Entertainment. He’s the one on the programs and the collector cups, he’s at the top of the card in every event that he’s at, he’s even the one playing the role of conductor in that new video where the roster sings Jingle Bells. The trick is that at this point, his character almost has to work in a very specific way. He’s the king, and because of that, he really only works as a hero when he’s fighting against something from outside his kingdom.

That’s what his feuds through 2011 were all about: using his status as the top dog to build conflicts that had actual weight, rather than just having him win because he wins. Admittedly, there was also this weird month-long diversion that was structured like a horror movie about Kane throwing Cena’s inept-but-likable pal off a loading dock, and that ended with the kind of slut-shaming and misogyny that even pro wrestling should’ve moved past by now, but overall, he came out of it okay. He had defeats and triumphs, and more importantly, he had motivation that was both clear and heroic.

Unfortunately, 2012 rolled around and the storytelling mechanism of the WWE promptly shot itself in the foot at every single opportunity.

Part of the problem was that over the course of that big year-long epic, they’d pretty much exhausted their supply of outsiders for Cena to fight. His brutal victory against Brock Lesnar was a symbolic defense the entire concept of pro wrestling against encroachment from MMA and an incredible triumph for his character, but it also put him pretty unambiguously back at the top of his field. Like Alexander, he had no more worlds to conquer. But unlike Alexander, he still had to show up and fight somebody on the next Monday Night Raw.

As the WWE’s favorite son, Cena doesn’t really need the championship belt. He’s a ten-time champion already, so it’s not like he’s looking for that one last shot at immortality. He’s the star of the show whether he has the belt or not, unlike CM Punk, who clings to it as a symbol of the respect he hasn’t been able get in any other way. Cena’s desire for the championship seems to come from a sense of entitlement. At worst, he just doesn’t want CM Punk to have it, and at best, he just feels like it ought to be his — a sense of entitlement that seems more in like with joining Neidermeyer and the rest of the Omegas in plotting against those misfits in Delta House.

He’s also aligned himself with authority figures, which might be an even biggest sin, as fans tend to rally behind hell-raisers who buck authority. Perhaps the most consistent power fantasy of wrestling is the common man battling against the rich guys and the corporate big shots, a story that gives fans a chance to vicariously vent their frustrations at their boss/principal/mom/teacher.

It’s a formula that almost always works. But despite ostensibly being the good guy, Cena’s role as the biggest and most marketable superstar has lead him to buddy up with the same evil fatcats that we loved seeing “Stone Cold” Steve Austin drag through an arena at gunpoint back in the ’90s.

The worst of it came recently, when Cena allied himself with WWE chairman Vince McMahon. It’s worth noting that in the ever-changing continuity of WWE, Vince had previously been ousted as CEO back at the start of this whole mess, only to swagger back onscreen with no explanation whatsoever. Equally inexplicable was the fact that he was met with cheers from the crowd, even though his return involved humiliating his subordinates and forcing them to call him “sir.”

But the nostalgia of a wrestling fan is a tricky thing. Much like the world of superhero comics, any reminder of that stuff you liked ten years ago — in McMahon’s case, his genuinely amazing tenure as the villain to Steve Austin’s anti-hero — is typically met with nostalgic approval.

The latest development in Cena’s descent into Snobhood? McMahon announced that he’ll be forcing this year’s winner of the Money in the Bank ladder match, Dolph Ziggler, to put his shot at the championship on the line against Cena at the next big event, giving Cena a convenient way to get back to the main event.

It’s the most blatant example of pulling strings to give him an endless amount of chances, and to make matters worse, it’s a pointless storytelling move. It doesn’t matter what the outcome is; if he loses, it doesn’t mean anything because it’s become evident that he’ll just be given another chance. If he wins, he doesn’t really gain anything because he’s in the exact same spot that he always is, and Ziggler loses some of his legitimacy to fix something that ain’t broken.

And all the while, Cena’s been playing up to his role as pro wrestling’s Greg Marmalard. His promos are built around insulting any funny-looking members of his competition even when he’s not even remotely involved in their storylines. Recent video packages have had their colors desaturated to turn the pink baseball cap he wore for breast cancer awareness month into a muted gray now that October’s over. His current storyline involves a nebulous grasp of blackmail where the major hardship is that he’s given the petite and adorable AJ Lee the worst kisses ever broadcast on national television. He might as well just challenge Rodney Dangerfield to a game of golf and get it over with. And yet, he keeps getting cheered, because WWE presents all of this stuff as positive and heroic.

I’m not saying Cena has to come out, rescue a kitten from a tree, buy everyone in the crowd an ice cream cone and shake hands with his opponent before every match, but to be honest, that’d be better than what we have right now. Right now, we have a guy who looks like he’s trying to shut down the rec center unless a gang of scrappy kids can raise enough money by breakdancing to stop him, and that means something’s broken.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:49 PM   #38571
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:08 PM   #38572
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:14 PM   #38573
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Probably not, since he was a face for a portion of his current run.

I won't go looking for evidence to back this up, though.
JBL Had quite a long run as Heel, kinda forgot Punk was face for most of his reign.
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:15 PM   #38574
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Basically Cena is a bully and a snob.
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:18 PM   #38575
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But the same can be said about most of WWE's faces right now. They are supposedly good guys, but often times are just as big bullies as the bad guys.
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Old 12-18-2012, 01:22 AM   #38577
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Damn shame they didn't call up Li'l Jimmy right away... pretty solid ringwork.
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:54 AM   #38578
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:43 AM   #38579
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Sheamus is so fucking fantastic in the ring as a babyface, but he is basically a racist bully.

CM Punk is technically right, but is playing the bad guy. It's nothing new, though. Heels have always endeared themselves by finding ways to be "correct" against the cookie-cutter goodness of the presented heroes, who stumble stupidly into violence and represent out-dated morals.
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Could a professional wrestling company exist where the roles of faces and heels didn't exist in such broad strokes all the time? Or does it need to tell the story of good and evil?
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:33 AM   #38582
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Russo's first stab at WCW was this. Hell, to a lesser degree, early Attitude era was this and they are the times I enjoyed wrestling the most.
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:12 PM   #38590
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Just watched Fully Loaded 2000. What a show. Top to bottom probably the best show WWF had to offer in 2000, which says a lot. HHH-Y2J in a classic last man standing match. The Rock-Chris Benoit in a really entertaining title match. Rikishi-Val Venis in a surprisingly good steel cage match. Undertaker-Kurt Angle in an alright match. And if you didn't have matches like the first 2 I mentioned on this show the intergender tag match with the Hardys and Lita against T&A and Trish would've stole the show. Plus Eddie Guerrero-Perry Saturn and Tazz-Al Snow and Edge & Christian-APA weren't bad by any means.
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That does not seem like a post Cool King would have made. Shameless pandering to the pro-AJ masses here at TPWW.

He should have added "I am not impressed" or something to the end.
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That does not seem like a post Cool King would have made. Shameless pandering to the pro-AJ masses here at TPWW.

He should have added "I am not impressed" or something to the end.
Me? Shameless pandering?

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Old 12-18-2012, 04:05 PM   #38594
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Though adding "I am not impressed" or something to the end probably would have gave the impression that I was a member of Right To Censor.

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Old 12-18-2012, 04:34 PM   #38595
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Shelton Benjamin was granted his release from ROH according to F4Wonline.com.

He is reported to have requested this so that he could negotiate and potentially leave for WWE as they have contacted him. At the moment, he can still appear on ROH television but he is no longer under a contractual obligation to be there.

Benjamin is expected back in WWE since he has gone as far as getting out of his ROH contract, many feel its just a matter of time.
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That's good news. He could really boost the tag division with the right partner or be a great feud with Kofi.
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So last night, JBL mentoned a football team here in Scotland.

He said "Drew McIntyre is fan of Glasgow Rangers, who went bankrupt this year". After that, Ranger supporters left him abuse on Twitter, bitching about what he said and just generally being arseholes, calling him a fat redneck and that wrestling is fake and all that. The usual cheap insults but also some petty threats if he was to ever visit Glasgow and one guy keeps constantly tweeting him abuse.

Anyway this is some of what he's saying about it.

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It's weird, but reading some of the stuff actually makes me feel embarrassed. Poor guy, he mentions a football team and has to put up with this shit because of it.
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What's the reverse of Shut Up and Take my Money for that new Sheamus t-shirt?
Keep talking and never expect to be paid by me?
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:56 PM   #38599
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Sheamus is so fucking fantastic in the ring as a babyface, but he is basically a racist bully.
How is he racist? He's a bully sometimes, but I've never seen him do anything even remotely racist.
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How is he racist? He's a bully sometimes, but I've never seen him do anything even remotely racist.
He only ever hits people who have darker skin than him.
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