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Old 05-28-2010, 10:31 PM   #2281
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i cant stand Pierce...he's such a fucking girl.
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Old 05-28-2010, 10:48 PM   #2282
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its the fact that he is praised for essentially accomplishing nothing. He's praised as the next coming of Jordan and the savior of (insert franchise here), when he is just a physically gifted athlete. Like i said in an earlier post, his scoring and assists come from him driving the basket, not from him making Steve Nash type passes and Ray Allen type shooting.
I suppose statistics aren't impressive in their own right? Him "doing nothing" seems to be pretty inaccurate.
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Magic fell apart once Celtics showed the same toughness and defense pressure as in Game 3. They let Howard get his stats but stopped the rest of the team aka the Lebron defense.

Didn't think going into the playoffs they would be this dominate but then again they also got healthy when needed and won the critical road games.
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Old 05-28-2010, 11:24 PM   #2285
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I suppose statistics aren't impressive in their own right? Him "doing nothing" seems to be pretty inaccurate.
fairly certain i didnt say he did nothing, i said he accomplished nothing.
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Old 05-28-2010, 11:26 PM   #2286
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Semantics is how you're going about this then? Good job.
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Old 05-28-2010, 11:27 PM   #2287
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Because those two things in the given context don't mean exactly the same thing or anything...

Having such impressive stats apparently isn't an accomplishment.

Nor is winning MVP.
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Old 05-28-2010, 11:33 PM   #2288
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Pierce was pretty awesome tonight.

And I really want to learn Rondo's little "cuff the ball" move. He must have some big hands to do that. Oh by the way, I learned yesterday that Rondo is going to be practicing at the basketball facility I play at this summer. would be pretty cool to see him in person. Maybe he can teach me the "cuff"
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The dude has E.T. like fingers, no way anyone can just 'cuff' it
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Semantics is how you're going about this then? Good job.
I dunno why im gonna discuss this with someone who doesnt even watch basketball, but i will anyway.

James is a good player, no question. What the problem is is that he is not the perfect amalgamation of every NBA great in history. He is not Voltron like most try to make him out to be. He doesnt have the greatest shooting touch, he doesnt make the greatest passes, he doesnt have Dennis Rodman type instincts.

He is an athletically gifted player. Big, strong, and fast...which is why (once again, if you watched any basketball) you see him drive the lane to get his point/assists more than shoot the ball.

And accomplishing and 'doing something' is different. Fucking Darrel Armstrong 'did something' enough to be a star for Orlando years back by leading his team in scoring, but what did he accomplish?
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lol, I watch "any" basketball. Is this your way of trying to null and void my argument?

I'd rather be talking to SammyG right now. This is what you've done to me. Congratulations.
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And Lebron vs Kobe is just a terrible way of looking at things in the first place. Kobe has been pampered with stars almost every season since he's been in the league. He's had a hell of a supporting cast of all stars helping him all along the way. LeBron James has carried his team on his back for years now.

I said it once, I'll say it again. If you put LeBron James on ANY team, they are instantly playoff contenders.
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Old 05-28-2010, 11:45 PM   #2293
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Narc, you have the most annoying way of arguing ever.
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I just find it weird for Lakers fans to say that they are tired of hearing the praise of LeBron James being sung all the time when we've had to have Kobe shoved down our throats forever. It's like people want to ignore that there is a battallion of fans jacking off to Kobe's every move as well.
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Instant Classic is not a Laker fan and no one mentioned Kobe until you did.
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We talked about the same thing like two pages ago. I suppose I'll forget the conversation we were having?
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Old 05-28-2010, 11:51 PM   #2298
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you see the problem with most Cavs 'fans' and people who watch a game here and there dont do is see the man for the skills he has. They hear a name, and hear the hype from Nike, see the commercials from Gatorade, or the stupid ass rap songs with Lil Wayne, and go 'wow, this guy must be the greatest' because they are show some highlights of his plays.

Wonderful, the guy can do some crazy stuff, but so can many MANY other players in the league who dont even get half the attention James does.

He is projected as a gift from the basketball gods to single handedly dominate everyone in the league, and turn a piss poor franchise into some sort of contender.

The second part is relatively accurate. A player of his skill level can definitly change your teams fortunes...not all by his lonesome though.

The first part is a crock of shit. Any individual who watches basketball for the game, not the player, will say exactly what i have said about James' skill set. But anyone else will say the guy is going to be the greatest of all time.

Is he effective? Yes. Is he gifted? Yes.

Nobody is downplaying his effectiveness as a player, we are simply stating that his stat line, as impressive as it may be, is not because the shit people say it is. He didnt dish out 12 assists by threading a needle between two defenders like Steven Nash, he did that be driving the ball, passing it to whoever left their man to close in on him, and his teammate hitting the open shot.

He didnt score 40 with double teamed fadeaways like Kobe, or three point daggers like Ray Allen...he did it by getting to the line, and driving the lane.

It doesnt make him a bad player, it just doesnt make him what everyone imagines him to be.
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The same thing has been said by Lakers fans tons of times in this very thread. It's just silly that Lakers fans, of all people, would complain about one player is getting too much attention.
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And Lebron vs Kobe is just a terrible way of looking at things in the first place. Kobe has been pampered with stars almost every season since he's been in the league. He's had a hell of a supporting cast of all stars helping him all along the way. LeBron James has carried his team on his back for years now.

I said it once, I'll say it again. If you put LeBron James on ANY team, they are instantly playoff contenders.
So sick of this argument. Why is Kobe needing a supporting cast a knock on Kobe? No one in this league can win a championship alone.

LeBron has carried his teams but it's gotten him nowhere.

LeBron may be able to take any team to the playoffs, but again, without a supporting cast he'll never win a championship.
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The same thing has been said by Lakers fans tons of times in this very thread. It's just silly that Lakers fans, of all people, would complain about one player is getting too much attention.
Laker fans aren't the only ones who are sick of LeBron James. I dunno why you keep acting like Laker fans have some vendetta against LeBron.
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The same thing has been said by Lakers fans tons of times in this very thread. It's just silly that Lakers fans, of all people, would complain about one player is getting too much attention.
omfg, do you seriously not pay attention to ANYTHING stated? Nobody said they are jealous of his attention, all people have really said is that he is not what is portrayed.
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There seems to be very little actual basketball knowledge in Narc's stance/opinion
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you see the problem with most Cavs 'fans' and people who watch a game here and there dont do is see the man for the skills he has. They hear a name, and hear the hype from Nike, see the commercials from Gatorade, or the stupid ass rap songs with Lil Wayne, and go 'wow, this guy must be the greatest' because they are show some highlights of his plays.

Wonderful, the guy can do some crazy stuff, but so can many MANY other players in the league who dont even get half the attention James does.

He is projected as a gift from the basketball gods to single handedly dominate everyone in the league, and turn a piss poor franchise into some sort of contender.

The second part is relatively accurate. A player of his skill level can definitly change your teams fortunes...not all by his lonesome though.

The first part is a crock of shit. Any individual who watches basketball for the game, not the player, will say exactly what i have said about James' skill set. But anyone else will say the guy is going to be the greatest of all time.

Is he effective? Yes. Is he gifted? Yes.

Nobody is downplaying his effectiveness as a player, we are simply stating that his stat line, as impressive as it may be, is not because the shit people say it is. He didnt dish out 12 assists by threading a needle between two defenders like Steven Nash, he did that be driving the ball, passing it to whoever left their man to close in on him, and his teammate hitting the open shot.

He didnt score 40 with double teamed fadeaways like Kobe, or three point daggers like Ray Allen...he did it by getting to the line, and driving the lane.

It doesnt make him a bad player, it just doesnt make him what everyone imagines him to be.
This is ridiculous though. He has to achieve all his stats by doing it in the most difficult way possible? He gets his numbers, he gets his team numbers, and they are high numbers. Am I to understand that your disdain for him stems from the idea that he doesn't take the "long road" to accomplishing everything?
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So sick of this argument. Why is Kobe needing a supporting cast a knock on Kobe? No one in this league can win a championship alone.

LeBron has carried his teams but it's gotten him nowhere.

LeBron may be able to take any team to the playoffs, but again, without a supporting cast he'll never win a championship.
It isn't a knock on Kobe. It's just in the "Kobe vs LeBron" argument, Championships are always brought up. If Championships are made by the team, then this has no place in the argument. All I'm saying. Either include it or don't.
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This is ridiculous though. He has to achieve all his stats by doing it in the most difficult way possible? He gets his numbers, he gets his team numbers, and they are high numbers. Am I to understand that your disdain for him stems from the idea that he doesn't take the "long road" to accomplishing everything?
I DISDAIN Paul Pierce for being a dramatic little bitch, for KG being an all bark/no bite douchebag, and for Bruce Bowen being a dirty ass player.

I do not disdain LeBron James at all...i disdain talking to individuals who talk up the guy like he just did a behind the back pass off the backboard at half court to himself to hit a three with every player from the opposite team, both on and off the court, guarding him.

I disdain the LeBron James mythology.
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that really isn't the right use of the word disdain
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Old 05-29-2010, 12:15 AM   #2310
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It isn't a knock on Kobe. It's just in the "Kobe vs LeBron" argument, Championships are always brought up. If Championships are made by the team, then this has no place in the argument. All I'm saying. Either include it or don't.
Sorry, that's just not the way it works in sports.
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That's not the way what works? I'm saying to either include it or don't include it. You can't have it both ways because it's convenient. That's what I'm saying here.
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Whoever gets Lebron James can have him. He's a great player, but he's also talked up by the ESPN generation because the NBA is desperate to have another Michael Jordan.
Sick of hearing about it to be honest. He can go wherever and I could care less because he has been beasted by the Celts twice now. Lakers fans have every right to feel the same way too. Titles > endorsements.
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Pretty much exactly how I feel about Peyton Manning too, to cross it over into sports in general and not just the NBA
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Yeah, I suppose he's talked up I just don't get why people have such an issue. I mean Kobe was talked up and Kevin Durant is being talked up now. It just seems like Lebron "pushes peoples buttons" somehow.
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Because it's far more shoved down their throats, probably. It pushes people buttons more because it's far more overblown.
I can't stand half the things the national sports media (especially ESPN) try to perpetuate anyways. They're responsible for leading droves of "sports fans" to think a certain way, and it's ultimately all in the name of marketability.
There's a huge base of people whose sports knowledge and opinions are lacking, and identical
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I hate the modern mentality that has sports ADD, and only has interest in slam dunks, touchdowns, home runs and goals. They have no patience or understanding for the rest of what goes into sports, and they have more appreciation for the highest selling jerseys and product endorsements than they do for hard work and winning championships.

That's the end of my shoot. I just really don't care about Lebron James on the level I'm expected to. He's a great player, but enough is enough. That's why I avoid ESPN. I'm all set with spending a summer hearing about Lebron James and Bret Favre in 5 minute rotating shifts.
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I'd care even more if he were on the Kings.
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Last year all ESPN hyped and covered was a a Kobe-Lebron NBA Finals like it would have been the biggest thing ever to happen in sports.

They got rid of the split-face promo commercials and pictures from the year before that were awesome just to partner up with Nike and others to hype up their ideal NBA Finals matchup. Those split-face commercials and the "Where anything happens" were some of the best NBA commercials in a long time.
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I hope David Stern never gets his way on that matchup. I'd rather see The Lakers and Celtics 10 more times. Obviously that's because I'm from Boston, but honestly in principle I'd just rather see any major sporting event be about a rivalry between two TEAMS, not two players.
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