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Old 05-29-2016, 08:37 PM   #281
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Love Nghtcrawler so much. Really excited and happy he is going to be in the future films. does anyone know how many more films they plan to make in this timeline?
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Old 05-29-2016, 09:38 PM   #282
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Gonna go see this tonight.
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Old 05-30-2016, 09:41 AM   #283
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So I saw this. It wasn't bad. Just wasn't very good. I found Apocalypse to be really dull. The way he was acted, presented, his motive, all just really blah.

The story arcs for the characters weren't there either. I mean, they were. But none of it was too intriguing.

There were too many new characters to the point that they get short changed on development.

Quicksilver was once again one of the best parts of the movie.

I'd say it's 6/10 overall. A competent if unneeded film.
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Old 05-30-2016, 10:00 AM   #284
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You don't need to develop Scott, Jean, or Nightcrawler because you already know who they are from the previous movies. It just so happens they are kids now.

Apoc's motive is always the same. No idea why that is dull.
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Old 05-30-2016, 11:55 AM   #285
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Wrong. Just because they were in movies a decade ago doesn't mean you know who they are. They never actually bothered to give you origins about those characters either. So this as a shot to give them some depth and expand on them.

It's also obvious this Nightcrawler is not the same as the previous one considering the timeline. So no, we don't know him either.

Apocalypse was dull because he didn't do anything and his powers weren't anything spectacular. He spends most of the movie babbling about until the third act, when even then he doesn't really accomplish anything of real heft. Magneto did more damage than Apocalypse. I just found him underwhelming. And the powers they decide to display were meh. He didn't seem anymore powerful than any other threat they've encountered.

DOFP had real stakes on the line and the movie did a great job of presenting them. This feels like a step down and I can see why the critical reception is what it is. It's not bad and was enjoyable for the most part. I just find that the villain was really dull and didn't add anything we haven't seen before.

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Old 05-30-2016, 12:02 PM   #286
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Do you want the new Spider-Man movie to spend 30 minutes in why/how he has his powers? I for one, and everyone I know, wants new content. Not going over the same material again.

Movies are only so long and the future movies will go into more depth when the movie actually revolves around them.

You never said anything about Apoc's abilities so whatever there.
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I'm sick of superhero origins in the movies.
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Old 05-30-2016, 12:14 PM   #288
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Yeah, I'm a long-time fan of the characters so it's all good for me. And with this being the 6th X-Men movie, and the 9th in the movie universe, I'd say it's at a point where they can't keep catering to people who haven't followed the series.

Plus, it's one of those movies. It's the X-Men vs. Apocalypse. You want intriguing character development and exposition watch the Shawshank Redemption or something. This is a summer superhero movie.
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But whatever, it's all subjective really. I don't care if people weren't satisfied with underdeveloped characters etc. I enjoyed it.
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So how was that Wolverine scene?

Was he amnesiac and wild?
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Old 05-30-2016, 12:36 PM   #291
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Did you not see the movie yet? It was a typical Wolverine against a bunch of guys with guns.
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No, I haven't seen it yet. Too broke for cinema lately.

Was just wondering.
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Do you want the new Spider-Man movie to spend 30 minutes in why/how he has his powers? I for one, and everyone I know, wants new content. Not going over the same material again.

Movies are only so long and the future movies will go into more depth when the movie actually revolves around them.

You never said anything about Apoc's abilities so whatever there.
Not related. We've gotten Spider-Man's origin already. Twice. They haven't gone over that material yet for any of these characters sans Wolverine. So I'm not sure what you're trying to reach for there.
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No, I haven't seen it yet. Too broke for cinema lately.

Was just wondering.
Ah. It was a fun 5 minute scene with him going straight nuts.
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Cool. He should be nuts escaping Weapon X.
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Not related. We've gotten Spider-Man's origin already. Twice. They haven't gone over that material yet for any of these characters sans Wolverine. So I'm not sure what you're trying to reach for there.
The movie before DOFP was a origin movie. We don't constantly need them. also, what everyone else said/seems to get.
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Cool. He should be nuts escaping Weapon X.
Ya. I didn't know he was going to be in the movie so it was a nice treat. I didn't read any info on the movie before attending.
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Yeah, I'm a long-time fan of the characters so it's all good for me. And with this being the 6th X-Men movie, and the 9th in the movie universe, I'd say it's at a point where they can't keep catering to people who haven't followed the series.

Plus, it's one of those movies. It's the X-Men vs. Apocalypse. You want intriguing character development and exposition watch the Shawshank Redemption or something. This is a summer superhero movie.
I've seen everyone except Origins: Wolverine. That's the only film outside of First Class that touches on these characters and their beginnings with any depth. They're not really catering too anyone. These characters existed in the first film with little story behind them, except Wolverine.

Civil War had intriguing character development. Somebody mentioned Cap's and Tony's stories being fueled by their own previous film experiences and thought it as a brilliant tie in. Civil War is a summer superhero movie. But it's also well written and there's a start and finish for the characters from a personal standpoint.

That's not presented here. You can have it both ways. I'm not asking for Oscar worthy writing but this film it's a step down from the last 2 because it just meandered with too many characters being intro'd and a villain that was boring.

Not to mention, they're introducing a completely new and reset timeline that's no longer related to the original film. The X-Men story itself was the best part. They could've done without Apocalypse for a while. He just didn't do it for me.
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The movie before DOFP was a origin movie. We don't constantly need them. also, what everyone else said/seems to get.
Except I'm not saying we need another origin movie. I'm asking that these characters be fleshed out a bit more than "hey, it's Cyclops. You kinda know him". Civil War established their Spider-Man in a 5minute scene. It's not hard. You don't need an entire film around it. But you need to actually give these characters purpose. Which they don't have. They're super powers with names. Instead of characters with powers.
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In The Last Stand did you really care that they didn't give much backstory on the girl who walked through walls? I sure as hell didn't. This movie wasn't about Scot and Jean. It was about finishing off what started to begin a new story. I am sure you will get more depth when the movie revolves around the characters.
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Also, no way in hell did Civil War give Spidey depth.
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Thinking about it, one of the issues with comparing the MCU to the X-Men's backstories is that the MCU characters are all individual franchises unto themselves. Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Hulk and Antman have all had their own individual movies to flesh out the characters and give non-fans an introduction to who they are. Saving the team-up movies for development and action.

The X-Men, other than Wolverine, pretty much come as a team, and with so many characters, it's difficult to introduce each character in the films, whilst giving us an in-depth look at who they are and then to develop where they're going.

I mean, Captain America and Iron work as solo movies... you think anyone would give a shit about a Cyclops solo film? Or a Storm movie? They gotta make do with what they can.
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The Last Stand was the worst X-Men movie to date outside of Origins. It's definitely the worst one I've seen. And yes, Spidey had plenty of depth. They gave you what he was all about in his first scene. You knew what he stood for and why, in that universe, in one scene.

Whether or not people would see a Cyclops stand alone is an irrelevant question. These characters have no drive or motive. Raven, Charles and Eric have drive and motive. You can give that to the other characters without devoting a whole film or even more than a few minutes of screen time here or there. Not a 2 hour character study.
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Also, no way in hell did Civil War give Spidey depth.
From his small role in civil war we know that he is a financially strapped very intellegent teenager struggling to come to terms with the powers and what that means for him and the people around who attempts to balance his life as the amazing spider-man with his life as peter parker student and nefew. Avec smartass. Thats every ounce of depth the character has had or ever will have. Amd it was all in 7 minute scene.
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The Last Stand was the worst X-Men movie to date outside of Origins. It's definitely the worst one I've seen. And yes, Spidey had plenty of depth. They gave you what he was all about in his first scene. You knew what he stood for and why, in that universe, in one scene.

Whether or not people would see a Cyclops stand alone is an irrelevant question. These characters have no drive or motive. Raven, Charles and Eric have drive and motive. You can give that to the other characters without devoting a whole film or even more than a few minutes of screen time here or there. Not a 2 hour character study.
Okay. Let's take Scott for example. He developed powers he could not control. His brother, former XMen, took him to professor X to get help. Hank and Charles help him control his powers. Scott's brother then dies by Apoc. So he has a revenge motives due to his brother getting killed and the trust he built with Charles and Hank because they helped/are helping him control his powers. Plus, the world is ending.

What more do you want from a side character?
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So why does he want to go to the school? Does he want to control his powers? Does he want to use them for good? Evil? Does he want them at all? When did he say he wanted revenge? He was essentially forced into action because of the mansion disaster. Not because he stood up and decided to lead.

And he never learned to control his powers. He just puts on glasses that blocks them. It's an on and off switch for him with no control over how much.

He was given zero motive in this movie. "My eyes shoot lasers" is a plot tool to insert him, not a character trait. See Destor explaining Spidey's Civil War scene to notice the difference.
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He goes to the school because he can't open his eyes without blasting everything he sees. Or should he just close his eyes for the rest of his left.

I doubt he had time to decide if he wants to use his powers for good or bad yet. He was going off the guidance of his brother. Pretty sure it's not really needed for him to say he is sad that his brother died and would want to get back st who murdered him. He also didn't lead amything because he's still like 15 years old.

Those glasses con trolled his powers a hell of a lot better than not having them.

Anything else? Once again, he is a side character too.
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So why does he want to go to the school? Does he want to control his powers? Does he want to use them for good? Evil? Does he want them at all? When did he say he wanted revenge? He was essentially forced into action because of the mansion disaster. Not because he stood up and decided to lead.
Dude you'll probably enjoy movies a lot more if you don't take 'em so seriously.
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I mean, Ruien is pretty much spot on in my opinion.

It's all opinions though, I don't really care how anyone perceives movies tbh.
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So why does he want to go to the school? Does he want to control his powers? Does he want to use them for good? Evil? Does he want them at all? When did he say he wanted revenge? He was essentially forced into action because of the mansion disaster. Not because he stood up and decided to lead.
And you want answers to all those questions about every single member of the team in a 2 hour long movie?
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It takes a few minutes. You act like they have to give him 2 hours to flesh this out. They don't. It's takes one conversation. Like Destor pointed out, Spider-Man had one scene and you knew him. Same got T'Chala.

I'm not asking a lot here. These characters weren't anything more than super powers with names. They deserve better and the movie is served better if They were more than that.
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He goes to the school because he can't open his eyes without blasting everything he sees. Or should he just close his eyes for the rest of his left.

I doubt he had time to decide if he wants to use his powers for good or bad yet. He was going off the guidance of his brother. Pretty sure it's not really needed for him to say he is sad that his brother died and would want to get back st who murdered him. He also didn't lead amything because he's still like 15 years old.

Those glasses con trolled his powers a hell of a lot better than not having them.

Anything else? Once again, he is a side character too.
Plus, Spidey went to fight Cap America because Stark asked. But Scott has less motive?
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Spidey clearly says he wants to make a difference. That's why he joined with Stark. It was all there.
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So I will assume you conceive to my Scott points.

Why is Stark even asking a kid to come fight Cap fucking America where he could easily die. Also, he wants to make a difference so he's going to fight Cap fucking America without really knowing all the facts?

This is also all moot because it has nothing to do with XMen. But you are ignoring my points about Scott's character and want to change the subject completly.
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Concede to what points exactly?
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He goes to the school because he can't open his eyes without blasting everything he sees. Or should he just close his eyes for the rest of his left.

I doubt he had time to decide if he wants to use his powers for good or bad yet. He was going off the guidance of his brother. Pretty sure it's not really needed for him to say he is sad that his brother died and would want to get back st who murdered him. He also didn't lead amything because he's still like 15 years old.

Those glasses con trolled his powers a hell of a lot better than not having them.

Anything else? Once again, he is a side character too.
Quoting for a third time. But you will ignore it and change the subject again.
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I actually answered that. It's not motive. It's a plot tool to insert him into the story. Him having lasers shooting out of his eyes is not motive. Of course it's used to get him to Xavier. Beyond that there's nothing there. We don't know what he thinks of himself, his powers, what he wants to do with them

Quicksilver was explained in his intro scene in the last one. He is aimless because his father, who he has never met, abandoned him and he's lacking guidance and purpose for his powers so he uses them steal. Xavier gives him a reason to use them for good, it sticks with him, as does the identity of his father, and that's sorta expanded on here by finally deciding he'd like to join the gang. Simple. One scene. Some dialogue. And now you know who he is and what he's about. A side character getting some motive.

Scott clearly knew he was different and had trouble adapting early. But that's it. He gets sunglasses and that's the end of it. Nothing else about him id's expanded on.

You said it was a revenge story for him. Where's the part where he wants revenge? You can assume that's what he wants but it's not even implied. He goes after Stryker to save the crew and then fights Apocalypse to save Xavier and the world. Why? Well he just happened to be there so why not I guess.

The kid ends up being a leader. We know this is going to happen. At no point do they even hint that this a character trait for him. He has no character traitsl. He's a kid with eyes that shoot lasers. That's it.

They did a fine job with Jean. We got it and we got it early. A few lines here and there, one bad dream and a brief convo with Xavier and now you know who Jean is, why she's there, and what she looks to accomplish. In one scene and a few lines. She's a side character.

It's not hard. These are all common complaints in virtually every review of this film. It wasn't panned out trashed but this who did not enjoy or found to be whatever are saying he same things. It doesn't mean it's a terrible movie nor does it mean you can't like it or enjoy it. If you liked it, great. I didn't hate it. I thought it was ok. I found things to be lackingl. I'm clearly not the only one.
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Damien the issue with your cyclops "lack of motive" is it is the inly motive he ever had. He had uncontrollable powers that needed to be controlled so goes to the only people who can help him. Hes a natural leader and when shit hits the fan he dives in to help others. What more is there to Scott Summers?
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You can't be serious.... his fucking brother was murdered. Do you seriously need him to say "man, my brother just died. I néed to get my revenge"? Yes they lack overall depth but to say he has none does not make sense. Everything is there. But he's a side character. He has just as much depth as every other side character in a movie.

You can't be serious. No way. Your ignoring so many things to make your points.

You realize if he loses Charles and Hank then the one place where he knows mutants are accepted and cam help him then he will be alone again. You know, because his brother was murdered. That's more than enough motive to help Hank after he is captured.

Plus he is a teenager that just wants to be a hero.
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You can't be serious.... his fucking brother was murdered. Do you seriously need him to say "man, my brother just died. I néed to get my revenge"? Yes they lack overall depth but to say he has none does not make sense. Everything is there. But he's a side character. He has just as much depth as every other side character in a movie.

You can't be serious. No way. Your ignoring so many things to make your points.

You realize if he loses Charles and Hank then the one place where he knows mutants are accepted and cam help him then he will be alone again. You know, because his brother was murdered. That's more than enough motive to help Hank after he is captured.

Plus he is a teenager that just wants to be a hero.
Not sure why you take do much issue with me not caring for the film followed by giving reasons why I didn't care for it. He doesn't have any depth. Jean had depth. Quicksilver had depth in the last one. Scott didn't.

He didn't want revenge. They don't have to spell it out but it wasn't even hinted at. Not sure why you have trouble understanding why I find this to be a fault in the movie. Do you always get so tied up when people criticize or don' don't things you do?
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