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Old 07-12-2014, 08:58 AM   #41
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As an addendum, I am a little concerned after reading in the Observer that they may fast track Reigns due to Bryan being out of all plans. Brock beats Cena at Summerslam, Reigns beats Brock in September?

Hate if they rush into that match.
Nothins screams credibility like "news" from a dirtsheet.
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Old 07-12-2014, 10:19 AM   #42
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I would say this but at this point, I don't know if he's even redeemable. He would have been perfect when he was the monster face everyone wanted to see give the heels their comeuppance. At this point it would be tough to bring him back to that level. And I don't think he works as an "overcoming the odds" face. They fucked up SO bad.

That being said, I guess I would give it a shot at least. See if you can regain SOME of that mystique he had.

My #1 pick right now actually would be someone WWE hasn't been grooming as the next big thing. Fandango. Obviously you'd have to tweak the character so it's less gimmicky or lose it altogether but I've said since NXT that Johnny Curtis is the guy WWE should have been grooming as the next big thing from day one. He's got the look, the size, the in-ring skills, the charisma, he's got an insanely likeable personality and he's naturally funny in a way that Cena has tried to force at times over the years that has made people cringe. Johnny Curtis getting pushed to the top and making the rounds on the talk show circuit representing the company with the title over his shoulder is like a license to print money.

I'll say this, wasnt happy when Ryback turned heel, but he's a fantastic loud mouth troll the fans heel. He's hilarious. I saw him at a house show and he spebt half the time shit talking the crowd and it was hilarious. The fans were all over him
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Old 07-12-2014, 03:18 PM   #43
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As much as I like Heyman, the Cesaro pairing was just really oddly-timed. He seemed to be shit hot coming out of Wrestlemania, and they took pretty much all of the focus off of him within his own act. Also, his theme music is terrible. I loved his US title run theme, and the Real Americans theme fit him well too. It may not SEEM important, but I think a big part of someone catching on is a bad ass theme.

He can still be salvaged, though. He's way too good in the ring to be denied, and when he finally DOES make that face turn, it might be the push to sustain him at the top.
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Old 07-12-2014, 09:10 PM   #44
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If Roman Reigns doesn't make it as the next big star, The entire creative team needs to be fired.

It would take the kind of screw up that makes the Ryback screw-up look tame for him not to be. And if those in charge do it THAT wrong, they have no business being in creative.
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Old 07-13-2014, 12:00 AM   #45
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if anything, his mic work can potentially to kill him. he was awful on smackdown. very generic. but his look and ability should allow him to overcome that as long as they keep booking him to look as strong as they have. the crowds clearly want to get behind him.
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Old 07-13-2014, 01:17 AM   #46
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"Awful on Smackdown" was worlds better than his NXT "I'm the man" promo. He's improved greatly, and part of that is due to being in The Shield and having them hide his piss poor speaking by making him a reserved, stoic badass.

Not setting the world on fire by speaking, no, but it at least doesn't lack conviction and believability anymore.
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Old 07-13-2014, 01:32 AM   #47
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As much as I like Heyman, the Cesaro pairing was just really oddly-timed. He seemed to be shit hot coming out of Wrestlemania, and they took pretty much all of the focus off of him within his own act. Also, his theme music is terrible. I loved his US title run theme, and the Real Americans theme fit him well too. It may not SEEM important, but I think a big part of someone catching on is a bad ass theme.

He can still be salvaged, though. He's way too good in the ring to be denied, and when he finally DOES make that face turn, it might be the push to sustain him at the top.
Yes. COming out of WM he could have gone to the top. HE was white hot.

Then the Heyman guy reveal was MEGA HEAT

Since then its been absolute garbage.
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Old 07-13-2014, 01:33 AM   #48
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If Roman Reigns doesn't make it as the next big star, The entire creative team needs to be fired.

It would take the kind of screw up that makes the Ryback screw-up look tame for him not to be. And if those in charge do it THAT wrong, they have no business being in creative.
Reigns has way more charisma, and is way more over than Ryback ever was.

Stop using him as a bench mark.
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Old 07-13-2014, 07:01 AM   #49
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Is Mr. "You're dumb if you think Triple H is going to lose to Brock Lesnar at SummerSlam" calling someone else a wrestling know-it-all?
just saying that pretty often your posts come across like you know everything, and you have a tendency to be condescending to people who disagree. It's the internet man, you don't have to be so quick to get into it with people.
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Old 07-13-2014, 09:52 AM   #50
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Reigns has way more charisma, and is way more over than Ryback ever was.

Stop using him as a bench mark.
Actually, using Ryback as a bench mark in this situation is perfectly applicable. I'm saying that Reigns is even more of a sure thing than Ryback was. And, at one point, Ryback did in fact seem like a sure thing. So for WWE Creative to fuck up a Reigns push, it would take them revealing themselves as completely and utterly incompetent.
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Old 07-13-2014, 12:32 PM   #51
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Reigns is not more over than Ryback was during his peak. Pretty much neck and neck.

I don't know why it's so hard for people to admit how over Ryback was.
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Old 07-13-2014, 02:16 PM   #52
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I have always been a fan of THE RYBACK. WWE seriously dropped the ball with him
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Old 07-13-2014, 03:06 PM   #53
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I have always been a fan of THE RYBACK. WWE seriously dropped the ball with him
They did, big time. Even if he didn't win the title he still could've been a solid middle-upper carder with the occasional main event title match.

Now he's saddled with Axel in tag-team purgatory, which is even worse than mid-card hell, from what I've heard.
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Old 07-13-2014, 03:12 PM   #54
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Axel and Ryback are a very entertaining team.
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Old 07-13-2014, 03:15 PM   #55
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They are entertaining, but they are definitely going nowhere and used almost exclusively as tag team jobbers.
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Old 07-13-2014, 03:17 PM   #56
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rybaxel is what finally sold me on ryback.
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Old 07-13-2014, 03:30 PM   #57
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Ryback has the look, has the big intimidating power moves and I am hoping that his team with Axel now shows management his personality. He could still be a top star, he has all the tools and brings something different to the table.

Would love to see him leading a stable of guys that are being overlooked. (Say Axel, Ryder, Slater) Basically bullying them into doing his bidding. Would add to his character, give a few lesser guys something to do, and it would probably be really good TV. It could also be a way for one of those lesser guys to get over when he finally stands up to the bully
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Old 07-13-2014, 07:00 PM   #58
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just saying that pretty often your posts come across like you know everything, and you have a tendency to be condescending to people who disagree. It's the internet man, you don't have to be so quick to get into it with people.
And I'm just pointing out you being a massive douche when people disagree with you on a subject that you end up being demonstrably wrong about. So... this isn't really something you should try to accuse others of.
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I can't quite put my finger on exactly what it is but there's little nuances Ryback showed off in this promo that were hilariously prickish to me. He plays the big dumb cocky jock character perfectly. It's not gonna make him a star or anything but he's awesome in the role. He should get more mic time to show it off on TV.
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Ryback can still bounce back. He was white hot in the beginning, but after losses to Cena and Punk, pretty much tapered off to where he is now. But that's the story of many big men in the history of WWE. Big Show got beat by Austin on RAW in his first month in the company, and then lost his first major PPV match. He's still a multiple time World Champion. Mark Henry fathered a rubber hand, and he still had an awesome run as the World Heavyweight Champion later on down the line. Ryback is too young, too hungry (no pun intended) and has too good of a look not to succeed.


I think Reigns will follow a similar path to Randy Orton. Built to be "the man", but never really connects with the fans the way that Austin, Rock, Hogan and Cena did in their prime. He'll be pushed down our throats as "the guy," but he'll never really be that.
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Ryback has the look, has the big intimidating power moves and I am hoping that his team with Axel now shows management his personality. He could still be a top star, he has all the tools and brings something different to the table.

Would love to see him leading a stable of guys that are being overlooked. (Say Axel, Ryder, Slater) Basically bullying them into doing his bidding. Would add to his character, give a few lesser guys something to do, and it would probably be really good TV. It could also be a way for one of those lesser guys to get over when he finally stands up to the bully
You mean "bow-ley"
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Old 07-14-2014, 05:04 AM   #62
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Agreed, but WWE does have a track record of being trigger happy with guys they think are ready when the audience feels differently.

As an aside, I think it's too late for Ryback. People have gone from having faith in him (at least for a short time) and seeing him portrayed as a star to the guy losing to Stardust and the Usos. To get that back is going to require a major overhaul.
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Old 07-14-2014, 11:37 AM   #63
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Old 07-14-2014, 11:37 AM   #64
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Or that guy from NXT I championed for a bit...
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Old 07-14-2014, 03:16 PM   #65
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Ryback has the look, has the big intimidating power moves and I am hoping that his team with Axel now shows management his personality. He could still be a top star, he has all the tools and brings something different to the table.

Would love to see him leading a stable of guys that are being overlooked. (Say Axel, Ryder, Slater) Basically bullying them into doing his bidding. Would add to his character, give a few lesser guys something to do, and it would probably be really good TV. It could also be a way for one of those lesser guys to get over when he finally stands up to the bully
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Or that guy from NXT I championed for a bit...
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