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Old 07-21-2008, 09:53 AM   #601
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I don't think there's any need to bring back The Joker. They left with a pretty straightforward motif: The Joker will always be around. Evil in Gotham City will always exist. It will always be Batman's duty, even outside of what is being filmed, to keep Gotham City in order, which is what The Joker ends up representing.

Now, for a villian in the third movie, I think they could do a lot with The Riddler in terms of storyline. The only problem I have with him is that he is a little too similar to The Joker. They could still bring back Two Face, but they may have used up all of his charm in this one. I don't know how they could do The Penguin again without it being too similar to Batman Returns. Mr. Freeze could be done in this series maybe. Probably Baine as well.

I personally would either go for The Riddler or the return of Two Face. I think they left the Two Face thing open to interpretation just so they could write him off just in case. Although I don't think we would want them in the same movie and have another Batman Forever now would we?
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Would anyone imagine robin in the next one?

If so I feel he should be like 14 or something.
Robin is far too risky. It's really campy, and even Nolan would have to really think it through. And apparently Bale has said he would walk if it came to it. Personally, if they do a Robin storyline, they should have him show up in one scene, wanting to help Batman (like the imposters in The Dark Knight), with Batman telling him that he's a fucktard, and then in like the next scene, Joker fucks him up with a crowbar and blows him up in a warehouse, and Bats feels a little guilty.

They don't even need to show the crowbar beat-down, or even The Joker. Just have it explained that he escaped from Arkham and fucked up Robin. Nolan's movies seem like a collection of the grittier and more definitive moments in Batman history.
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Catwoman would be horrible.

Riddler isthe only way to go for the next one.
I'm not a big Catwoman fan, but I think it would have its place. If only just to show Halle Berry how its done. Put Zooey Deschanel in a dominatrix cat suit and you'd have me sold.
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Old 07-21-2008, 10:19 AM   #604
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I don't think there's any need to bring back The Joker. They left with a pretty straightforward motif: The Joker will always be around. Evil in Gotham City will always exist. It will always be Batman's duty, even outside of what is being filmed, to keep Gotham City in order, which is what The Joker ends up representing.

Now, for a villian in the third movie, I think they could do a lot with The Riddler in terms of storyline. The only problem I have with him is that he is a little too similar to The Joker. They could still bring back Two Face, but they may have used up all of his charm in this one. I don't know how they could do The Penguin again without it being too similar to Batman Returns. Mr. Freeze could be done in this series maybe. Probably Baine as well.

I personally would either go for The Riddler or the return of Two Face. I think they left the Two Face thing open to interpretation just so they could write him off just in case. Although I don't think we would want them in the same movie and have another Batman Forever now would we?
yea, I said last night to legend that Riddler to me would just be a poor man's Joker. I don't know how in the world any villan is ever going to top Joker. Nobody will. I think Baine would be a great choice, but I've read Baine is another villan Nolan doesn't want any part of.

As for Joker in other movies, I liked whomever said that he should just make a quick appereance in jail for maybe a couple lines. Like someone mentioned, Lector. He should in no way shape of form be cast for a huge role again.

I want to see this movie again so bad. I still can't believe how good the entire movie was from beginning to end.
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:16 PM   #606
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Also, there is the fact that in comic books, only Bucky really dies. So two face isn't dead. They just quietly locked him up in Arkham Asylum.
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:19 PM   #607
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Also, yeah Riddler is a crappy version of the Joker. And Mr. Freeze and the Penguin always seemed simular to me as well, both having desires to freeze over Gotham.
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I think the next person needs to find out Batman's identity and not necessarily go after Gotham, but go after Bruce. I hate it when Gotham (or Angel Grove if you watched the Power Rangers) constantly gets attacked in every single movie because at that point why the hell would you still live in Gotham if every two weeks a new supervillian popped up and wrecked your shit?
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I think the next person needs to find out Batman's identity and not necessarily go after Gotham, but go after Bruce. I hate it when Gotham (or Angel Grove if you watched the Power Rangers) constantly gets attacked in every single movie because at that point why the hell would you still live in Gotham if every two weeks a new supervillian popped up and wrecked your shit?
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You could do Penguin as a minor character. He shouldnt really be a major character in my opinion.

I think you could do Riddler or Mr Freeze...but not as campy as they are sometimes shown to be. You could make either one a serial killer on a crime spree (not like Joker's craziness but enough to frighten the city) and make it more of a detective film I suppose. The problem is, this film seems so epic, what do you possibly follow it up with?

Maybe set it a couple years in the future rather than just a couple months.
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Now that I think of it, Mr Freeze is very do-able. His story could be done much like two faces in that hes a respected doctor helping fidht a disease or poison that was brought by another villain in the movie. While doing so, an accident happened for example being burned by liquid nitrogen or whatever they want to do, and he goes crazy and wants to make everyone pay for it or something.
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Now that I think of it, Mr Freeze is very do-able. His story could be done much like two faces in that hes a respected doctor helping fidht a disease or poison that was brought by another villain in the movie. While doing so, an accident happened for example being burned by liquid nitrogen or whatever they want to do, and he goes crazy and wants to make everyone pay for it or something.
thats what I was thinking. They could even find all the bodies of his victims frozen and have the Gotham media coin the nickname "Mr. Freeze"...or have him work for Wayne Enterprises or the Government. His research division gets shut down causing something to happen and he goes crazy seeking revenge.

Edit: I like your idea too that it is caused by another villian. Freeze, in the comics lately and on TAS, has had a sympathetic side to him, so I think that is very doable.
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Mr. Freeze sucks. Catwoman or Posion Ivy.
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You could do Penguin as a minor character. He shouldnt really be a major character in my opinion.

I think you could do Riddler or Mr Freeze...but not as campy as they are sometimes shown to be. You could make either one a serial killer on a crime spree (not like Joker's craziness but enough to frighten the city) and make it more of a detective film I suppose. The problem is, this film seems so epic, what do you possibly follow it up with?

Maybe set it a couple years in the future rather than just a couple months.
They need a more traditional Penguin, he needs to be a mob boss that survived the Joker killing spree and has an aristocratic manner. But as a more low key character.
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Rupert Thorne has Victor Fries on the payroll. There is then an accident involving him and his wife. Mr. Freeze is born and goes around killing mobsters and whomever else gets in his way using some kind of freezing method.

Alternately, The Riddler would be a good one for the man who cracks Batman's identity. He wouldn't just tell the public either, because he would want them to figure it out, but that is pretty similar to Batman Forever.
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I think Catwoman will be part of it, mabye black mask and riddler.
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They need a more traditional Penguin, he needs to be a mob boss that survived the Joker killing spree and has an aristocratic manner. But as a more low key character.
I guess, its just that the Penguin, while I do like the character, doesnt excite me as the main villian.

Riddler, Freeze, Black Mask...maybe even something similiar to the Mask of the Phantasm animated movie would be more interesting to me.
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Riddler is too similar to Joker in terms of mind games.

They need to change it up a bit with someone with power and perhaps even physical strength. I dont care who as long as it is done as tastefully as these two movies have been.

Penguin would be pretty perfect IMO if I had to choose one though. Mob in turmoil. He steps up and offs all the mob heads and unites them. So with the mob and the cops behind batman, it would make a pretty interesting movie to see how to handle all that heat from two fronts.
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woah, didn't realize that was actually Scarecrow in the movie. I thought it was just an imposter or something because he got caught so quick. I'm thinking it took the whole film of the last movie to catch him, so no way that was him
Well, you have to think, when Batman was going after him in the first movie, Batman maybe only had a few experiances under his belt, and at several times was caught off-guard by Dr. Crane, hence Scarecrow defeating him, and taking him out of action for a few days.

He was finally caught, then released a few hours later.

The only thing I had to wonder was, How Crane managed to not be completely insane when we see him in The Dark Knight, granted, I don't know how powerful the medicine he got hit was.

But it was a shocking moment, when he popped on screen in the second one.
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I actually liked tha idea of recurring villains. Needs to happen in live action more.
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Also, there is the fact that in comic books, only Bucky really dies. So two face isn't dead. They just quietly locked him up in Arkham Asylum.
That rule was broken a few years ago, by great writing. There are no rules as long as the story is good.
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I actually liked tha idea of recurring villains. Needs to happen in live action more.
Especially in Batman, his villians always come back. They should in the movies as well. No one is every genuinely conclusively defeated with Batman.
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If they got a talented enough actor to play the man, I think that The Ventriloquist would make a great movie villain. He could only be the main villain if the actor was good enough at portraying the fact that the dummy and the man are two COMPLETELY different people.

There's an episode of Batman TAS called "Double Talk" where Arnold Wesker (the Ventriloquist) is released from Arkham, completely cured of his split personality syndrome, when voices and memories beckon him back to Scarface the doll. He eventually succums to his darker side and Scarface retakes his old gang, but in the end, Batman gives Wesker the choice, and he blows Scarface to hell with a machine gun.

I think Phillip Seymour Hoffman ("Capote") could play the Ventriloquist perfectly. His physical stature suggests a certain vulnerability, and I have no doubt that the Oscar winner could do something amazing with the schizophrenia character of Wesker.
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I have come back from seeing this film.

Where...the hell...did they get the idea to make this? Who, in their right mind, could get off from a day of filming this movie and think, it's just a job? I implore you to find me someone who thought that so I can drop a colony on you.

From the get-go, it grabs you with The Joker(there is no Heath Ledger for me). He masterminds a bank robbery and kills all his compatriots. Why? No reason. For him, money isn't important. It's the "joke" that's important. It's proving that if someone has just one bad day, he can become a "freak". The most gripping point, for me at least, was the ferry boat scene. When I saw the big black guy get focused on in the criminal's boat and the suit get focused on on the civilians boat, I knew it would come down to a personal choice between the two of 'em. After all, if someone could try to kill the one dude who found out Batman's identity, why wouldn't a boatload of people kill one another to ensure their own survival? That's assuming Joker wouldn't have made it so both boats wouldn't explode. And when the big black guy grabed the detonator and threw it out the window....you knew the choice was made right. And Joker seemed dissapointed that nobody, faced with their own death, wouldn't choose their own life over someone elses, even as dispicable as a known criminal. To me, that was the point where Joker lost. That was the point where Joker knew he lost.

Then we get to Bale. Who had the job to play two totally and utterly, different people. Batman and Bruce Wayne. One, a play it by ear, super-rich bastard who's only interest seems to be partying. The other is the Dark Knight himself. A man who knows that there is a point where ordinary people cannot and will not go any further and he must go beyond that point to save everyone. He's not afraid to sacrifice his own well-being for others. That gruff voice he used, even when in tremendous pain, was just magnificant. I, for one, applaud Mr. Bale in his portrayal of the Dark Knight and hope he's attached to the cowl for a long time.

Then we come to the third player in our little game. Mr. Harvy Two-Face Dent. I honestly thought he was going to survive to plauge the Bat-Man(must use the hyphen) in the third movie. Instead...he dies. He dies as a man who broke down in the face of a mad-man. A man who was the White Knight but once he got down and dirty, he couldn't face what he saw in the mirror. He was a man who made his own luck after all and what happened to that luck? It blew up in his face. And that, more then anything the Joker said to him in that one scene, is what brought him down to the point where he went from the Hero to the Villian. Dent wanted to be a hero but what he couldn't fathom is to be a Hero, you have to remain true to yourself, not to others.

I must say, even before Rachel got blown up, I knew all the rules were gone. Why? When Gordon got "killed". At that point, I knew that nobody, not a single solitary character, was safe. Anyone could be next. From Batman all the way down to the extras in the scene, anyone could end up being the next victem of the Joker. Anyone. That, to me is the essence of this movie.

See, this movie wasn't about super-heros or villians or unrequited love or even lies we tell ourselves to keep us sane. It was about chaos and emotions and how even when we think we're safe, we get thrown a curve-ball and are left scratching our heads. The Joker proved, without a shadow of a doubt, a good man could be corrupted to the point of become an agent of chaos. The Bat-Man proved that the people don't need a shining knight, they need someone who will become whatever it is they want him to become while staying true to himself. And Nolan proved that no matter what happens, a movie that is this good will last through the ages and be spoken of throughout the world.

That...in essance, is the Dark Knight.
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It's also a hell of a lot of fun, Shadow.

Why so serious? Hmmmm?
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I don't know how you can even have a third movie. How the hell do you top ledger or eckhart's performances, let alone the whole movie? What villains are left that can possibly be as compelling as the joker and two-face? It truly seems impossible.
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i have to agree with u-warrior. as much as i would love to see a third i've had a hard time imagining anything that could come anywhere near this. not to say that it can't be done, but fuck is that going to be a tall order. no villain that has been suggested so far seems like it can compete. maybe maybe riddler and i've been thinking a catwoman inclusion but i'm torn on that. not sure if it's necessary.

i'll just sit back and wait and hope my mind gets blown again.
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But at the same time, since when do they stop at two now?
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Yeah, I'm really blanking on the villain(s) for the next film. I guess Riddler's the front runner, maybe Black Mask or the Ventriloquist, but are they really well known enough to be the leads? Penguin, Freeze, Ivy, Bane, I'd love to see any of them, but they don't seem to really fit in the more realistic world they've built here.
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But at the same time, since when do they stop at two now?
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I heard teh most retarded comment by this ditzy girl leaving the theate.

Girl 1: Hey, I totally figured out something, you know when that cop guy died right, and they somehow brought him back to life, well they are going to do the same thing with the Harry guy, and maybe even the joker too.

Girl 2: Nah, I dont think they will bring the Joker back, he is too scary.

Girl 3: Who played him anyways?

I seriously wanted to kick each of them in the cunt.
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WeX do you think I have the intelligence to make this up?

I am dead serious, they were sitting behind us the whole movie with blank "whats going on" expressions.
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I think the riddler would be a lot cooler on film in the role he's taken in the books recently. As a detective working with the police, and competing with batman. Obviously he would turn out a villain in the end, to stay true to his criminal roots, but I think it would be fun on-screen. Throw in another villain, and you have yourself what could be another great movie.

But again, it wouldn't top DK.
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