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Old 12-30-2014, 01:52 PM   #281
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He needs to have better mic work before getting the belt.
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Old 12-30-2014, 01:58 PM   #282
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I just don't think he deserves it, nothing more. He also needs more character development.
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Old 12-30-2014, 02:09 PM   #283
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He needs to have better mic work before getting the belt.
Because Batista/Brock Lesnar/Bret Hart/Lex Luger were 'oh so great' on the mic...
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Old 12-30-2014, 02:11 PM   #284
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Old 12-30-2014, 02:36 PM   #285
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Because unlike Daniel Bryan, Roman Reigns hasn't been a WWE Champion. And I think he surely deserves it. I love how people complain that 'WWE never pushes new stars', but once they do, everyone gets so aggressive "why you push this guy, and not that guy..."
Your first sentence speaks volumes. The WWE Championship should not be treated as a "fair game" prop. The argument that Person A should get it instead of Person B because Person A has never had it is ridiculous. It's the top prize in the world of professional wrestling - not a turn playing XBOX.

And in what way does Roman Reigns "deserve" a WWE Championship victory? Exactly what has he achieved in his time in the WWE? A "Superstar of the Year" award, the legitimacy of which is highly questionable? He's been part of the Shield, one of the top groups in several years, but his two partners have already gone on to make better, more stable, more interesting characters for themselves. Not only that, but they've proven themselves more adept in the ring than their Reigns counterpart.

How many great matches has Reigns had as a single performer? How many great promos or storylines? The answer is none.

Yes, WWE needs to push new stars. Daniel Bryan should still be considered a "new star." And he beats out Reigns in every category in question when it comes to being a WWE Superstar. Reigns will make it there one day if he continues to work hard and finds that program or gimmick or attitude that really pushes him to the next level. But he has not found that yet.
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Because Batista/Brock Lesnar/Bret Hart/Lex Luger were 'oh so great' on the mic...
Brock and Bret are better wrestlers than reigns. Batista didn't really deserve to hold the title until his last heel run (before coming back).
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Brock and Bret are better wrestlers than reigns. Batista didn't really deserve to hold the title until his last heel run (before coming back).
Bill Goldbeg was also terrible on the mic, and with all honesty Triple H is also terrible in the ring with his slow talking promos.
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Old 12-30-2014, 03:03 PM   #288
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I just finished watching this episode and holy fuck at Rollins' promo at the end. That was one of the most evil things I've ever seen.
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Old 12-30-2014, 03:54 PM   #289
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Rollins was ACE 1 out of 100 Supergood all show long.
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Bill Goldbeg was also terrible on the mic, and with all honesty Triple H is also terrible in the ring with his slow talking promos.
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Old 12-30-2014, 05:23 PM   #291
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Bill Goldbeg was also terrible on the mic, and with all honesty Triple H is also terrible in the ring with his slow talking promos.
You've raised the ire of James Steele for that Triple H comment(hes probably gonna go Super Saiyan when he reads it)

But yea it's not like we're saying Reigns should never get the belt he's just not ready for it,plus DB never really had a proper title run when he obtained it an incredible string of coincidences (some tragic) kept him occupied as Cena said: he never lost the belt. I'd love for Bryan to get a proper run at the top then lose it to(I can't wait) A heel Ambrose or Rollins.

Goldberg had the fans in the Palm of his hand and it took HHH years to get where he was annoying long-winded promos aside was Triple H great in the ring IMO he was just ok but unlike Reigns Goddamn could HHH bring it when called on I'll never deny him that.
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Old 12-30-2014, 05:42 PM   #292
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There's one thing that scares me about Bryan. Is he back with no limitations, all systems go, back to full ring work? If yes, he should definitely win the Rumble. I'm afraid that Bryan might not be ready for a full return and his "rumble return" is merely a draw to increase Network buys for the month of January, meaning he won't win & probably get eliminated quickly.
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Old 12-30-2014, 05:51 PM   #293
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Roman Reigns can't cut a promo to save his life. He's a vanilla non-midget right now.
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Old 12-30-2014, 05:52 PM   #294
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Everybody was flooding the chat room I was in when Daniel Bryan announced he was in the Royal Rumble. What an amazing moment for the WWE.

YES! YES! YES!
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Old 12-30-2014, 06:45 PM   #295
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Watching the last segment unfold last night with Trips and steph being brought back...I was first like huh? They just ended that story a month ago and now it makes the survivor series match look totally pointless. And it really makes Ziggler looks pointless. But then I thought about it a little more. I've personally been bored as fuck without a dominant heel group on Raw the past few weeks. I really liked the Authority on TV to be honest. And then I thought well Daniel Bryan is back now and The whole AUthority storyline was built out of his run and they never really got to conclude it with him because of the injury. And now he's back. And Orton is back and that whole ordeal with his being replaced by Seth in the authority never really got sorted out. Then Roman Reigns is back and is another huge babyface for the Authority to go against. So it makes so much sense to bring them back. I think the WWE realized they needed them back to counter all these top baby faces. So I guess it's a good move to go into Mania with.

Seth Rollins was so amazing on the mic last night. I really believe he's the next HHH of 2000. I think when he gets the belt, he's holding it for a while and that's a good thing because title matches will be amazing. Who would of thought he would be the shining star of the shield right now?

I'm not sold on REIGNS at all right now. His injury killed his heat and I think they need to slowly build him back. If they force him down everyone's throats, the audience will no doubt turn him heel, which wouldn't be bad mind you. I think he would make a better monster heel anyway. Now that Bryan is back, he's really going to get left behind as a babyface.
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Because Batista/Brock Lesnar/Bret Hart/Lex Luger were 'oh so great' on the mic...
Batista was fantastic when he was Kanyeista. Check out his "kissing babies and hugging fat girls" promo against Cena. It was the pipe bomb before THE Pipebomb.

Bret was very good getting his points across.

Lex was decent in the 80s with his promos as a heel and a face. He was pretty good against the nWo except for one flub.

Brock didn't have to be good on the mic because he was an NCAA Wrestling champion. Reigns is a former football player he doesn't have the wrestling down yet either. Brock also had more stage presence as a rookie than Reigns has in his 2-3 years into the business.
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Old 12-31-2014, 12:37 AM   #298
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The fact you said that Triple H is horrible in the ring and on the mic tells me that you don't know a great wrestler worthy of main eventing from your butthole. Your opinions are hereby moot and you are eternally dead to me as long as you remain in your current mental state. I have enjoyed your posts until this thread, and I have helped countless others see the light when it comes to Triple H. I hope my continued mission of spreading the message of Triple H's greatness will someday turn your blackened and hardened heart into a vibrant loving HHHeart of wisdom and joy.
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Old 12-31-2014, 02:06 AM   #299
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That whole Raw was really good.

I have no problem with the return of The Authority, because as Loose Cannon said, there are a lot of things that can still be concluded there. Also, do you guys remember once The Authority lost power, Vince said to them "we're going to fix this"? Well, they fixed it. It makes Seth Rollins even more valuable in their eyes (more valuable than Randy Orton had been for them). Big Show is looking awesome here, too. Nothing was taken away from the Survivor Series match. It's just being shown that The Authority is going to be a lot harder than one match to take down. I'm very interested in what happens next, which is good.

I wish they would have touched on the alleged alliance between Seth Rollins and Paul Heyman/Brock Lesnar, but there's still time for that.

I also want to say that the Ziggler/Rusev match was really, really, really fucking good. Rusev has been awesome, and Ziggler is just incredibly fun to watch.

Also, The Miz is killing it right now. For real.
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I worry that Bryan is going to be eliminated by a pissed off heel and be pigeon-held into a random upper mid-card WrestleMania match, but now that he is back, the best storyline the WWE can run is Brock Lesnar vs. the man who never lost the belt, Daniel Bryan. The crowd will get behind Bryan so easily, whereas Reigns is only going to have manufactured momentum, and I can see the crowd turning on it fairly quickly.

Cena can face Reigns in a "passing the torch" type match. Bryan making Lesnar tap-out to close WrestleMania would be pretty epic.
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Old 12-31-2014, 03:03 AM   #301
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I'm still hoping for Bray Wyatt vs. The Rock as opposed to Wyatt vs. Undertaker.

* Lesnar vs. Bryan for the WWE World Title
* Cena vs. Reigns
* Triple H vs. Sting
* Rock vs. Wyatt
* Orton vs. Rollins

Those five matches at the top of your card make it a SuperShow already. Dean Ambrose can probably face Luke Harper or a heel Chris Jericho, maybe Cesaro, if they decide they want him in a (upper?) mid-card match at the big show.
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Not a fan of Daniel Bryan's return. The annoying Yes chants, the unbearable booing of other wrestlers that aren't Daniel Bryan on the shows. The way they treated Rey Mysterio in the 2014 Royal Rumble match proved to me that Daniel Bryan is the IWC's darling.

It's pretty obvious they are going to put Roman Reigns' push on hold, to have Daniel Bryan pursue the WWE Championship once again. Which is sad, because Roman Reigns has more reason to be a WWE Champion now, than Daniel Bryan.

And now fans are going "WWE better make Daniel Bryan the champion in 2015". Why should they? Because some marks saying "we riot" everytime their darlings doesn't get a championship reign? Daniel Bryan already got a superstar level in the WWE, so he doesn't need another year. He achieved greatness by being at the top of his game and defeating to former WWE Champions in one night for the WWE Championship at WrestleMania. He doesn't need another title reign.
So Flair didn't need the additional 15 reigns? Cena didn't need another 14? Orton, Rock, Hogan, Bret, Shawn, HHH, etc, etc didn't need to win the belt more than once?
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They really shit on Cesaro here. To have him come out and say he doesn't care about anything other than delivering in the ring...then fail to deliver in the ring totally undercut him.
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Old 12-31-2014, 11:36 AM   #304
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I worry that Bryan is going to be eliminated by a pissed off heel and be pigeon-held into a random upper mid-card WrestleMania match, but now that he is back, the best storyline the WWE can run is Brock Lesnar vs. the man who never lost the belt, Daniel Bryan. The crowd will get behind Bryan so easily, whereas Reigns is only going to have manufactured momentum, and I can see the crowd turning on it fairly quickly.

Cena can face Reigns in a "passing the torch" type match. Bryan making Lesnar tap-out to close WrestleMania would be pretty epic.
You actually believe that Vince McMahon is going to book Daniel Bryan to defeat Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania?

There's a big difference between Batista and Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar is an actual former UFC Champion. Batista is just... an actor...

You actually believe that Vince would agree on letting Daniel Bryan, a small wrestler defeat his most toughest bad ass at WrestleMania? I doubt that he will agree to redoing WrestleMania 30 all over again...
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Old 12-31-2014, 11:37 AM   #305
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So Flair didn't need the additional 15 reigns? Cena didn't need another 14? Orton, Rock, Hogan, Bret, Shawn, HHH, etc, etc didn't need to win the belt more than once?
Let's say Daniel Bryan wins, what's next?
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Let's say Daniel Bryan wins, what's next?
Whatever the hell you want to book. He slays the beast, wins back the championship he never lost and completes his story. Hell, let's say nothing is next. The story is complete.

The Authority are back, and there's some kind of working relationship between Seth and Heyman...and therefore Brock. Bryan winning the Rumble and vanquishing Lesnar at Mania and kicking his ass out the door wraps everything up in a pretty little bow (especially if Sting puts The Authority out of business in a match with HHH). Move off in any direction you want. Bryan actually gets the title run he was robbed of last year, before dropping the title down the road. Or have Rollins cash-in the next night on Raw and move on from there.

You basically have the same options with Reigns, but you guarantee yourself a great match by putting Bryan in there, with the added bonus that Bryan actually is genuinely over.

The only counterpoint you've given is that Bryan shouldn't get it because he's had it once; a point I already countered and you ignored.

What would YOU do post-Mania with Reigns?
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You actually believe that Vince McMahon is going to book Daniel Bryan to defeat Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania?

There's a big difference between Batista and Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar is an actual former UFC Champion. Batista is just... an actor...

You actually believe that Vince would agree on letting Daniel Bryan, a small wrestler defeat his most toughest bad ass at WrestleMania? I doubt that he will agree to redoing WrestleMania 30 all over again...
You realise wrestlings a work right? If it wasn't then Meng would never have lost ever. Shamrock and Severn were both former UFC champions, both stared at the lights while in WWE, both to smaller guys.

And if the match was Bryan vs Brock why wouldn't the guy who is definitely going to be there the following night go over the guy who's rumoured to be leaving? If Lesnar is leaving after 'Mania he's doing the job that night.
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You realise wrestlings a work right? If it wasn't then Meng would never have lost ever. Shamrock and Severn were both former UFC champions, both stared at the lights while in WWE, both to smaller guys.

And if the match was Bryan vs Brock why wouldn't the guy who is definitely going to be there the following night go over the guy who's rumoured to be leaving? If Lesnar is leaving after 'Mania he's doing the job that night.
I'll repeat my words again DO YOU BELIEVE THAT VINCE MCMAHON WOULD BOOK DANIEL BRYAN OVER BROCK LESNAR AT WRESTLEMANIA?

Because it's so realistic to have Brock Lesnar defeat The Undertaker, and than lose to a vanilla midget...
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If Lesnar is leaving, absolutely.
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Also,

the WWE believes that the Universe will forget about the streak thingie. They often (and have been quoted) state that the crowd will not remember something x amount of time down the road. Obviously, no one will ever forget the 1 in 21-1, but if run of the mill WWE mentality is to be applied, we will forget.
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I'll repeat my words again DO YOU BELIEVE THAT VINCE MCMAHON WOULD BOOK DANIEL BRYAN OVER BROCK LESNAR AT WRESTLEMANIA?

Because it's so realistic to have Brock Lesnar defeat The Undertaker, and than lose to a vanilla midget...
I think the mask may have slipped.
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I'll repeat my words again DO YOU BELIEVE THAT VINCE MCMAHON WOULD BOOK DANIEL BRYAN OVER BROCK LESNAR AT WRESTLEMANIA?

Because it's so realistic to have Brock Lesnar defeat The Undertaker, and than lose to a vanilla midget...
I answered the question in the very post you quoted yay trolling
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As long as the crowd buys it, it's a realistic option. Pretty sure the fans can buy into Daniel Bryan beating Lesnar. I'd venture to say they'd go ape shit over it.
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I'll repeat my words again DO YOU BELIEVE THAT VINCE MCMAHON WOULD BOOK DANIEL BRYAN OVER BROCK LESNAR AT WRESTLEMANIA?

Because it's so realistic to have Brock Lesnar defeat The Undertaker, and than lose to a vanilla midget...
Yes he would totally book Lesnar to lose to DB and theres nothing vanilla about that midget

When people are chomping at the bit for you to headline WM WHEN PEOPLE GET PISSED because you aren't in the rumble when people explode because you are in the rumble when people viciously boo because you got robbed of the belt in a show they know is staged when your one chant goes GLOBAL and people know and associate you with it. you are anything but a vanilla midget. Kevin Nash coined that term I don't think he anticipated the insanity that is Bryan.
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Yes he would totally book Lesnar to lose to DB and theres nothing vanilla about that midget

When people are chomping at the bit for you to headline WM WHEN PEOPLE GET PISSED because you aren't in the rumble when people explode because you are in the rumble when people viciously boo because you got robbed of the belt in a show they know is staged when your one chant goes GLOBAL and people know and associate you with it. you are anything but a vanilla midget. Kevin Nash coined that term I don't think he anticipated the insanity that is Bryan.
I'm sorry but shoving a chant down my throat isn't really making it global. I really don't give a crap how much the fans love him. The fact is simple, they booed everyone one for 3 straight months. They booed Batista, they booed Randy Orton, they booed Rey Mysterio, they booed everybody that wasn't the 'darling' Daniel Bryan.

And the following show after Mania was just unbearable to watch, because itt was probably the most markish show in history of the WWE, with crowd focusing on one guy, and booing the rest of the show. Showing no respect to anybody, but Daniel Bryan.

Guess what happens when he beats Brock Lesnar? It will be yet another unbearable RAW show the next night, where guys that aren't Daniel Bryan get booed out of the building, because the fans want to only see Daniel Bryan. If you could book Daniel Bryan vs. Daniel Bryan the marks will have one big IWC orgasm.
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I'm sorry but shoving a chant down my throat isn't really making it global. I really don't give a crap how much the fans love him. The fact is simple, they booed everyone one for 3 straight months. They booed Batista, they booed Randy Orton, they booed Rey Mysterio, they booed everybody that wasn't the 'darling' Daniel Bryan.

And the following show after Mania was just unbearable to watch, because itt was probably the most markish show in history of the WWE, with crowd focusing on one guy, and booing the rest of the show. Showing no respect to anybody, but Daniel Bryan.

Guess what happens when he beats Brock Lesnar? It will be yet another unbearable RAW show the next night, where guys that aren't Daniel Bryan get booed out of the building, because the fans want to only see Daniel Bryan. If you could book Daniel Bryan vs. Daniel Bryan the marks will have one big IWC orgasm.
lol I like you. They booed Batista because HE was the one being shoved down our throats (and he dressed like a douche)the boos Rey got weren't necessarily directed at him. Randy Orton was stagnant and they didn't seem to know what to do with him he seemed frustrated with his lack of real direction too. THEY DID not boo the show after Mania did you not see the monster reception Cesaro got? Not to mention all the people who arn't Bryan who do get cheered Wyatt,Ziggler,Ambrose and so on. And for the record I'm pulling for Dolph just as hard I really want 2015 to be his year.
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