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Old 06-22-2015, 03:38 AM   #1
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Overdone Pushes That Annoyed You
For this week's podcast we're taking a look at examples throughout history where certain guys were pushed far beyond their limitations, and want to know about those particular instances that actually annoyed you as a viewer and why. This can manifest itself as:

a) A terrible wrestler you couldn't stand getting a spot they shouldn't have.

b) An acceptable midcard act being ruined by being spotlighted too much.

c) A badly executed push for a talented guy.

Either way, what is an example of a really aggressive promotional push you couldn't stand, and why did it annoy you? As always we'll be reading the best examples on the show (which will be up this weekend) and crediting you accordingly. So what's your pick?

EDIT - The show discussing your candidates for overdone pushes is now online and available to listen to at the following link: http://squaredcirclegazette.podbean....donePushes.mp3




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Old 06-22-2015, 07:20 AM   #2
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Old 06-22-2015, 07:34 AM   #3
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Old 06-22-2015, 08:36 AM   #4
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Triple H during his super heel run, when he had a 20 minute monologue every week and always got the upper hand.
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Old 06-22-2015, 08:50 AM   #5
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Rey Mysterio as World Champion, though I'll exclude the Rumble/title win because Eddie. I could never buy Rey as the champ.

Upper midcarder who gets the occasional shot? Fine, he was certainly over enough to warrant that spot.

But the top guy of the brand? Not even a little bit.
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Triple H during his super heel run, when he had a 20 minute monologue every week and always got the upper hand.
Hard to beat that.

Hmmmm, how about Brian Knobbs & Jerry Sags in TNA in early 2010, had no idea why they were given a push like they were worth ANYTHING.
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Old 06-22-2015, 09:02 AM   #7
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They won the tag titles, right?
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Old 06-22-2015, 09:13 AM   #8
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Zack Ryder. I remember enjoying him on the ECW brand, and I thought his social media efforts were admirable. He built a fanbase without even being on television the likes of which hadn't previously been seen. I was excited that WWE seemed to actually be listening to the fans...

...but then he was made to look like a gigantic douche bag pretty much every time he was on TV. He was absolutely cringeworthy. I want to say it was because the material he was given to work with was terrible, but his performances weren't helping either. It was almost as if WWE was trying to tell us that we shouldn't root so hard for the guy and that they were right about not pushing him the whole time. I'm not sure where the blame should fall here, but I'm glad it's all over regardless.
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Old 06-22-2015, 09:13 AM   #9
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Pretty much most hosses who came in and were pushed to the main event. Heidenreich, Kozlov, Khali etc. Granted, some of these guys, once depushed to the mid-card scene, found their niches and became pretty entertaining.
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Old 06-22-2015, 09:18 AM   #10
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Sheamus and Big Show in general.

Big Show mainly because all of his recent pushes have fallen flat really fast or could have benefited someone else with that spotlight. Like the WWE trying to get the "Yes" chant be with him or him constantly squashing Rowan for no real reason.

Sheamus mainly because I can't stand him whenever he's a face after a while. He's basically won almost everything possible but barely feels like any of it was memorable. One of those cases where the WWE forces or thinks he's way more popular than he should be just because he's one of their handpicked stars.
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They won the tag titles, right?
They kept beating "Team 3D".

I think they were gonna win the titles until they got fired for pissing off a spike exec.
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Old 06-22-2015, 11:51 AM   #12
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Daniel Bryan's WM30 push. Don't understand why so many people like the dude. He is bland in the ring in my opinion and his mic skills are horrible. That damn yes chant is annoying as hell and in no way should he ever had won the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. Him beating HHH and then going on to beat Randy Orton and Batista was the biggest joke ever. I'm not glad he is hurt but happy that he is not on my TV every week. Him as the IC champ I was good with but pushing him to the WWE title just pissed me off and almost turned me off the product.
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Old 06-22-2015, 12:50 PM   #13
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Somebody's gotta say it: Roman Reigns. No explanation needed.
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Old 06-22-2015, 12:58 PM   #14
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Roman was not over done in the least. The only problem with Roman's push was people acted like they were 5 years old when Daniel Bryan lost and took it out on him.
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I kept thinking "If they put the title on Roman now and try to keep him as a face they will completely ruin their plans of having him be the next John Cena due to the huge amount of heat he will be getting."
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Daniel Bryan's WM30 push. Don't understand why so many people like the dude. He is bland in the ring in my opinion and his mic skills are horrible. That damn yes chant is annoying as hell and in no way should he ever had won the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. Him beating HHH and then going on to beat Randy Orton and Batista was the biggest joke ever. I'm not glad he is hurt but happy that he is not on my TV every week. Him as the IC champ I was good with but pushing him to the WWE title just pissed me off and almost turned me off the product.
I like him in the ring, it made 100% storyline sense from him to win at mania, that's why I was rooting for him to do so.
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Old 06-22-2015, 03:00 PM   #17
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Lex Luger. I was absolutely appalled when the flouffy-haired muscle guy who barely looked like he belonged in WCW chartered the Lex Express and crashed it into the main event scene.
Michal Cole in his heel run. I feel like someone in creative just though it was amazing and didn't realize that the whole concept made anuses bleed the world over.
Tensai. He wouldnt have looked like a threat even if we hadn't recognized him as the one-time hip hop hippo.
Vader. I may be lynched for this in this environment but he never struck me as a credible heel. He looked to me like someone had overinflated a sweaty 8-year old fat kid with a bicycle pump and stu k a mask on him. The only way he ever struck me as scary was the "rawr I'll sit on you" way. He also constantly looked blown up the second he came through the curtain.
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Old 06-22-2015, 04:15 PM   #18
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What Vader were you watching. he was a 6 foot 5 350 pound pro football player. Not sure how that isnt credible. And it was in a time where not everyone had the builds of today. Maybe you didnt like his WWF push for all of 2 months. He was out of shape by then.


Great Khali because....Well besides being big he couldnt move, talk, and had no moves.
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james Storm in TNA....Guy is shit....Horrible....but he stuck around long enough to get a push on "name" and tenure
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Was never a fan of Daniel Bryan but people seemed to like him and well as now know that era appears to have come to an end

I was a huge Goldberg fan back in the day but in hindsight I do wonder if there was anything good about him as a wrestler or even his career.

Luger felt overrated at the best of times, had the look sure but not really sure he was ever that popular with the fans.

Great Khali had no talent whatsoever but as a "big guy" there was very little else to do with him except make him dominant and get the strap on him. Being Indian it probably helped WWE expand/consolidate their popularity in the Indian market too.


Most undeserving champion/superstar of all time? Jeff Jarett. He was never worthy of being a top draw and only in a WCW in such bad shape could he have been the top star.
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Old 06-22-2015, 04:33 PM   #21
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Roman was not over done in the least. The only problem with Roman's push was people acted like they were 5 years old when Daniel Bryan lost and took it out on him.
That's not it at all. I actually liked Roman well enough, and I still think he can be halfway decent when he shuts up and kills things. However, to try and deny that he was greener than goose shit when they started his mega-push is just stupid. The dude wasn't ready at all and you know it. What they're doing with him now is what they should have been doing from day one.

As for a push that annoyed me (barring Roman) I'd have to go with Sheamus' face push. I love Sheamus. Hell, he's one of my favorites on the roster right now, but whatever the hell they thought they were doing with him when he turned face was fucking ridiculous. I'm not even saying Sheamus should never be a face, but if you're gonna have him play a face it'd have to be something more akin to face Randy Orton than the Irish Cena we got.
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Old 06-22-2015, 04:40 PM   #22
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You honestly believe that is Daniel Bryan did not comeback until the day after Mania Roman would have been getting booed out the building at every event post rumble?
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"Wildcat" Chris Harris' main event push in TNA. You could argue it ruined his career when they fucked it up horribly. The only thing of note he did after that was his feud with "Cowboy" James Storm (my favorite TNA match ever is their Texas Deathmatch at Sacrifice 07) but even that feud had the god awful blindfold cage match. Then, he infamously went to WWE for 2 weeks looking like he had eaten James Storm.

Jeff Jarrett as a major badass heel in WCW and TNA. Like Mike Graham said on a WWE DVD once, "He broke thousands of guitars but never drew a dime."

AJ Styles being yo-yo booked for his entire TNA run. He would be pushed to the moon as the embodiment of TNA and then he'd job out to a WWE run-off and be somebody's lackey only for him to break away and repeat the cycle over and over. AJ Styles being jobbed out and dropping the title to RVD on iMPACT and then becoming Ric Flair's bitch was the last straw for me with TNA. I haven't watched it regularly since.

I get a lot of flack by some for hating TNA, but I watched it regularly until 2010 when Hogan & Bischoff jobbed out AJ Styles to RVD and completely destroyed everything about TNA that was unique and enjoyable. I was hooked on TNA when they brought in DDP for a month back in March 2005 around when iMPACT debuted on Fox Sports Net. The storylines were usually decent and coherent, but they completely botched the main events. The matches and talent were good enough to put up with the eye-rolling you'd do when Jeff Jarrett won. Jeff Jarrett thought he was Triple H when he was really just Billy Gunn. When Hogan/Bischoff came in, they ruined all of the positives TNA had and made the negatives even worse. Pretty much everything during that era of TNA's main event was fucking brutal. Even after they left, you get stupid shit like them blatantly ripping off hot WWE acts by making Austin Aries (CM Punk Lite) and Eric Young (Daniel Bryan Lite) the World Champ. Let's not forget that completely random Chris Saban World Title reign.

I also feel that TNA ever pushing Jeff Hardy in the main event after his bullshit at Victory Road 2011 is overdone and irresponsible. He's a terrible person and an overrated wrestler who has proven repeatedly he can't be trusted in that position in a company without leadership.
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Ryback initially because we had seen this shit before I saw absolutely nothing of worth in the guy certainly nothing that made him a viable challenger for CM Punks title.

I was annoyed by HHH steamrolling over completion and 20 min promos every week. But it turned to hatred after he beat Booker T. To this day I think that shouldn't have happened especially the way they played up Booker's troubled background and how he rose above that and played it against Hunters quasi racist rich snob. It could've been a real story of triumph and instead the match had a shit finish with Triple H retaining.
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The only win of Triple H's I agree with others about during that period.
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The only win of Triple H's I agree with others about during that period.
I figured you did. It just made 0 sense for Booker to lose that one.
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Ron Simmons winning the World Title in WCW

Bad enough that a mildly over face wins your top title, but then you book him at Halloween Havoc in a match for the title against the Barbarian? Typical early 90's WCW nonsense. Bill Watts was trying to recreate the success he had with JYD in Mid-South and it failed miserably with Ron Simmons shoe-horned into that role.
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Ron Simmons winning the World Title in WCW

Bad enough that a mildly over face wins your top title, but then you book him at Halloween Havoc in a match for the title against the Barbarian? Typical early 90's WCW nonsense. Bill Watts was trying to recreate the success he had with JYD in Mid-South and it failed miserably with Ron Simmons shoe-horned into that role.
With Simmons I think it was more the "emotional" aspect of having the first African-American champ that made it a big deal. However, I felt the hype wore off having him drop the belt less than 5 months later to Vader. This was really the issue with WCW through the 90s that nobody really held the belt for long enough to be a truly dominant or memorable champion and having someone drop the belt on PPV or nitro and then regain it days later just made the credibility of the title sink further even though Arquette and Russo holding the belt was the lowest of the low.

I mean there was Sting V DDP on Nitro, they wrestled a classic match one of the best on Nitro IMO and was the only highlight in the post-fingerpoke era. Sting wins the title we're all happy. Then less than 2 hours later....he loses the title to DDP. Talk about anti-climax.

As we debated elsewhere I felt the Goldberg streak was perhaps ended way too early but the manner of the defeat was credible i.e. a dominant face and perhaps not winning cleanly. I keep saying my "dream scenario" would have been for Goldberg to have held the belt for more than a year up to Starrcade 1999 and dropped it to a face like Chris Benoit. It would have not only restored the belt's credibility but people would have been tuning into to see how long Goldberg could go on and also building Benoit into the top face and the build-up to them eventually squaring off.
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It's stating the obvious but the fact WCW relied so heavily on massaging the egos of it's bigger name ageing draws over younger rising talents meant that it was no surprise that the likes of Jericho, Guerero and Benoit and even Wight would jump ship. With Paul Wight like Khali, there is really only so much you can do with a giant before the storylines start becoming tedious and perhaps it was time for him to move on. The other three never got the praise they deserved by WCW and it's a shame because I was pumped when Benoit won the belt but then deflated instantly when he left. Just shows you how stupid people were behind the scenes to not be in tune with what people wanted.


I guess that then justifies the push Daniel Bryan received post 2010 though I've never taken to him: WWE listening to the fans. But I'd have much rather watched Daniel Bryan v Brock Lesnar at WM 31 than Reigns v Lesnar, worst WM main event since WM 2000 and Rollins cashing in was its only saving grace.
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I dunno man. That Reigns/Lesnar match was pretty bad ass.
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What do you all think of Sid Eudy? Namely his championship wins in WCW? Always a fan of his and imo he is a legend and deserves an eventual HoF induction but I felt his title reigns were at best underwhelming and given the downward path WCW was already on, it went unnoticed?


Dare I say this I wouldn't complain to Goldberg being inducted in the WWE HoF one day but 15 minutes at the top in WCW and 15 minutes in WWE doesn't compare with the years of service the likes of Hall, Nash, even Sid and Vader and Booker T gave.

Rather Goldberg in there than Rikishi.
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I dunno man. That Reigns/Lesnar match was pretty bad ass.
I don't from where I was sat, not far from the front inside Levis Stadium, it seemed like Reigns was out of his depth in terms of moves, technique, timing of moves etc it was almost as if Lesnar was constantly suplexing him in order to get him to wrestle. A bit like a midfielder constantly passing the ball to the striker who fails to score in an open net (in Football/Soccer). Admittedly I haven't watched WM 31 since I attended it so I need to sit down and do that and maybe I might change my mind but it was a boring match imo and I was ready to make a quick exit when Rollins popped out.


With Reigns he may have the look but he's just a terrible wrestler and terrible on the mic and very one dimensional and hardly endearing to the fans. I wouldn't be surprised if he wins the title at some point maybe by the end of this year who knows but he isn't "the future" as it were. Frankly, I'm disappointed Bray Wyatt is being put into a feud with him as Wyatt deserves to be feuding with someone much, much better and challenging for the title. I secretly hoped when Wyatt appeared at MITB he was to be the "mystery contender" and win the briefcase. I feel WWE have dropped the ball with someone whom I consider to be a very talented wrestler and great character and performer on the mic and if WWE don't do something soon-ish, the potential to build him into superstar may fade very quickly.

Given Bryan is as good as finished and WWE were prepared to invest much time and effort in him, transfer that to Wyatt I say.
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I guess that then justifies the push Daniel Bryan received post 2010 though I've never taken to him: WWE listening to the fans. But I'd have much rather watched Daniel Bryan v Brock Lesnar at WM 31 than Reigns v Lesnar, worst WM main event since WM 2000 and Rollins cashing in was its only saving grace.
Really? You can't really believe this.
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Nah man. That Lesnar/Reigns match was great.
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What was great about the match then? From what I saw it was just big brute throws around some dude for 20 minutes, Rollins cashes in and wins.

maybe if I had seen it at home it might have been more entertaining but it felt tedious as did the card. But perhaps I was deflated that Sting lost and the fact I was sunburnt and dehydrated, who knows.
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Eugene.

Was a "fun" gimmick that "got over" and they pushed it to the moon, making him the main focus of the main storylines, despite Chris Benoit having just won the title. Found it really weird because instead of trying to put over their new champ they were putting all their efforts behind a dude with a "special" gimmick...
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Khali winning that 20-man battle royal on SD! to win the then-vacant World Heavyweight Championship hss to be the worst thing that happened to it since David Arquette.
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What was great about the match then? From what I saw it was just big brute throws around some dude for 20 minutes, Rollins cashes in and wins.

maybe if I had seen it at home it might have been more entertaining but it felt tedious as did the card. But perhaps I was deflated that Sting lost and the fact I was sunburnt and dehydrated, who knows.
Big brute throws around some dude for twenty minutes. Dude takes all big brute can throw and doesn't get put away. Some dude starts mounting some serious offense, potentially about to overcome big brute before he gets snaked by a slimy opportunist.

It's a classic wrestling story, man. Plus, it was brutal as fuck. Go watch it with commentary or something.
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Gonna go with Daniel Bryan, too. By the time the Royal Rumble came along, it was inevitable. They HAD to awkwardly change things up and put him in the main event at WrestleMania. It's the way they handled things to get to that point that was the problem.

Bryan's a great mid/upper midcard guy. It was pretty clear they knew he wasn't a guy who belongs on top. So instead of subtly moving him from the title scene into something else (maybe even a Triple H feud not focused so much on the title), they screwed him out of the title again... and again... and again... and again. Thinking after all that they could just... move on without him finally winning it.

People would have accepted him out of the title scene if Bryan had just had one rematch in September and then changed his focus. Instead they spent 6 months building up a story they didn't plan on finishing and the crowd wasn't gonna have it. It was just terribly planned out. You had a WrestleMania "feel good" moment but in the end they forced themselves into a situation of having a guy being pushed as "the man" who didn't belong there.

Benoit is another one. Though that one was planned from the start and then went horribly afterward.
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I think it's important to remember that Reigns wasn't just being groomed to be a top guy. He was being groomed to be THE guy, and he was going to take that position until they decided to go with Rollins.

And it's a good thing they did, because he is nowhere near ready for that spot. I wouldn't even put him in the main event. We're talking a spot that only a few guys have held. Hogan, Rock, Austin, and Cena. Guys with charisma oozing out of every pore. Reigns is nowhere close to those guys in the charisma department. He's not even on the same planet. Every time he says something in an attempt to sound cool, it sounds like he's TRYING to sound cool instead of naturally being cool like his successors. It sounds like he's reading a line that was fed to him, which it probably was.

Without the charisma, all he has is his intensity, which at times is good, and believeable. But at other times, again, it doesn't feel natural. It feels like he's trying, instead of just being an intense badass like, say Goldberg or Ryback.

As far as in ring ability goes, I dunno. The other guys I mentioned aren't technical masters either, but by the time they got to the top, they were great at telling a story in the ring, and were masters of controlling the crowd. Reigns is still too inexperienced to do either of those things well.

So yeah. Good decision putting it on Rollins. Guy is great in the ring and plays an awesome chicken shit heel.
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