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Old 01-03-2017, 12:27 PM   #321
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Reigns really should be the champion, as he's the top guy on the brand. Would be really cool to see him crowned a double champion at Rumble and give a nice payoff to all his fans.
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:29 PM   #322
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Is Reigns still booed mercilessly every week?
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:33 PM   #323
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:55 PM   #325
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:09 PM   #326
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Which full timer on RAW gets a bigger reaction than Reigns? Just because the vocal minority boos him, doesn't mean he's not over. At the end of the day, they are still paying for tickets to see him headline.

Cena gets boos too, he's the most over guy in the company. If you book to appease the smarks you'll be out of business real quick. Real quick.
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:30 PM   #327
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well it wouldn't be any different to what they're doing anyways so they may as well
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:33 PM   #328
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:43 PM   #329
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well it wouldn't be any different to what they're doing anyways so they may as well
WWE was nice enough to create a whole brand dedicated to the smarks, it's called NXT. They draw 500 people a night.
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:50 PM   #330
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WWE was nice enough to create a whole brand dedicated to the smarks, it's called NXT. They draw 500 people a night.
what does this have to do with what I said?
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:51 PM   #331
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what does this have to do with what I said?
I thought you were responding to my book to smarks comment
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oh. I guess? I was just saying they may as well just book Reigns as champion. There's a specific formula they book to, Roman kind of adheres to it, so it fits in with everything.

Roman's pretty good, just not quite there. Hopefully with time at the top and develops the same he has been, just needs to not pander as much and not be such a cliche, but he'll figure it out eventually.
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:56 PM   #333
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All that happens with guys like Owens and Rollins is they just become bland mid card champions because they company isn't truly behind them. They'd be better off being credible upper midcarders who can slot into main events when need be.
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Old 01-03-2017, 02:14 PM   #334
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oh. I guess? I was just saying they may as well just book Reigns as champion. There's a specific formula they book to, Roman kind of adheres to it, so it fits in with everything.

Roman's pretty good, just not quite there. Hopefully with time at the top and develops the same he has been, just needs to not pander as much and not be such a cliche, but he'll figure it out eventually.
Makes sense

I look at it like Reigns clearly connects with the vast majority of the audience. Some hate him, most like him, but they all care about him. Most of his matches on top have been really good, so I think he deserves another real run on top. His initial run was disjointed because all the injuries caused changes to the lineup, and they had to be creative with getting Hunter the strap. Not to mention the unfortunate issue with the wellness violation. Now they have a chance to promote a major show with him in a top spot and give the proper payoff you expect from a babyface title chase.

But then you have another potential stud in Braun coming up, so do you put the rocket pack on him or do you just use his size to help tell a sympathy story with Roman and have him overcome his greatest obstacle. That may further cement Reigns as the Superman of the company. Either way, good to have options.
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babyfaces should be cheered.
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All that happens with guys like Owens and Rollins is they just become bland mid card champions because they company isn't truly behind them. They'd be better off being credible upper midcarders who can slot into main events when need be.
Cena and Reigns were recent examples of top guys who managed to make winning the secondary singles title seem special. I would like to see them institute a rule that states every time you win the IC or US titles, it gives you a guaranteed World/Universal title match. Similar to MITB without the 24-7 rule. That way guys like Rollins and Owens would still want to go after that title because it's a way back up to the top of the ladder. You could tell some good stories where a guy could win the US title, but be tangled in a feud, and get screwed out of the title before having a chance to cash in the world title opportunity.
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Reigns needs a little more time doing what he is doing.
I want Braun to crush Reigns as badly has he did Zahn tonight and in the same manner at WM 33 and then make the next year all about Reigns return cumulating in taking the title off the monster at Wm 34. Throw Braun at Brock at 35 with Brock doing the job and making Braun the "attraction"
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babyfaces should be cheered.
But look at me, I get tons of great on here, but I'm clearly the best poster in the forum, and have been for well over a decade. Noid seems to be more adored by the masses (except my boi Heyman), but clearly he's inferior to me. You can't always trust the judgment of the larger group, that's why we only name nine people to the Supreme Court.
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Reigns needs a little more time doing what he is doing.
I want Braun to crush Reigns as badly has he did Zahn tonight and in the same manner at WM 33 and then make the next year all about Reigns return cumulating in taking the title off the monster at Wm 34. Throw Braun at Brock at 35 with Brock doing the job and making Braun the "attraction"
If Braun crushes Reigns like that, he'll likely be made babyface by the audience. At that point you might as well feed him everyone. Do a Goldberg type push.

The thing about the attraction spot is it should only go to part time guys. I don't think Braun will be part time in 2 years.
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Wwe desperately wants us to cheer for someone with the personna of a dick and Cena pretty much is a dick, Reigns has not put in the time to do that as a face.

Humble him.
Give the fans what they think they want and then when they see it unfold make them uncomfortable.
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If Braun crushes Reigns like that, he'll likely be made babyface by the audience. At that point you might as well feed him everyone. Do a Goldberg type push.

The thing about the attraction spot is it should only go to part time guys. I don't think Braun will be part time in 2 years.
He has a few shortcomings and putting him in that spot covers those shortcoming a little
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Reigns needs to be beat so badly it makes Owenbrown cry
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It just depends what they want from him long term. If he's moving merch, he currently gets big reactions, so he should be the focal point of the show.

In that case, he should be winning as much as possible. He can lose down the line.
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Don't fall for it. Seriously. What the fuck....
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But look at me, I get tons of great on here, but I'm clearly the best poster in the forum, and have been for well over a decade. Noid seems to be more adored by the masses (except my boi Heyman), but clearly he's inferior to me. You can't always trust the judgment of the larger group, that's why we only name nine people to the Supreme Court.


CyNick comparing himself to Cena and Reigns.

I don't think anyone who posts on a wrestling forum should claim superiority over others on the forum re: their talent/impact/importance/popularity on said wrestling forum.

BTW, the reason we only name nine people to the Supreme Court is because Congress passed legislation limiting the number of justices to nine and only Congress has the legal authority via the U.S. Constitution to decide the appropraite number. It has nothing to do with the size of the group, you moron.
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Old 01-03-2017, 03:36 PM   #348
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Old 01-03-2017, 04:28 PM   #349
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But look at me, I get tons of great on here, but I'm clearly the best poster in the forum, and have been for well over a decade. Noid seems to be more adored by the masses (except my boi Heyman), but clearly he's inferior to me. You can't always trust the judgment of the larger group, that's why we only name nine people to the Supreme Court.
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Old 01-03-2017, 04:39 PM   #350
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oh. I guess? I was just saying they may as well just book Reigns as champion. There's a specific formula they book to, Roman kind of adheres to it, so it fits in with everything.

Roman's pretty good, just not quite there. Hopefully with time at the top and develops the same he has been, just needs to not pander as much and not be such a cliche, but he'll figure it out eventually.
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All that happens with guys like Owens and Rollins is they just become bland mid card champions because they company isn't truly behind them. They'd be better off being credible upper midcarders who can slot into main events when need be.
Agree on both of these. Reigns isn't close to what the WWE believes he is as a mega star but since they don't truly care about anyone else on RAW sans Charlotte and Strowman, might as well just give him the Universal belt. Then they can see the fruit of their plans fall apart again like the previous times he was champ.

He's probably 2-3 years away from being the mega star they want but only if he followed a Rock-like route for his development and booking. Going even stronger in Super Cena or LOLCenaWins type booking isn't helping him at all.

RAW would benefit a lot more if their mid-card was a lot stronger than them keeping on half-assing the US belt's treatment or not being committed when one of their non-hand pick stars has a US or Universal reign.
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Old 01-03-2017, 05:05 PM   #351
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Old 01-03-2017, 05:37 PM   #352
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I'm to the point that given what I've watched and seen, Roman Reigns' run as US Champion has been anything but irrelevant to me. Most of his title run has been centered around chasing after the Universal Championship. If thats the focal point of how they are going to book him, then book that. Having him defend the title only to turn around later on the show to thrust his status towards the Universal Championship just makes the US title look less and less credible. Last night should have been the night they took the title off him and shifted the focus on him vs Owens.

It would have been a nice payoff and reward for Jericho who has spent the better part of the year putting talent over at this stage of his career and yet still having some great matches if not some of the best matches on the card. Would have been a nice cementing of legacy for the 1st undisputed champion to be the first guy in WWE to hold IC, Both brands of Tag Team, US, WHC, WWE Champion and 1st ever Undisputed Champion. That would have been paying it forward in my opnion and given Jericho the go ahead to defend the title and make it relevant with guys like Zayne, Rollins, Rusev, hell even you could have thrown it on Braun Stroman, but get if off Reins.
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Old 01-03-2017, 07:57 PM   #353
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Was the JBL, Heyman and Rosenberg thing worth watching?
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Old 01-03-2017, 08:01 PM   #354
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Agree with Phenomenal1. Putting the strap on Jericho also allows him to go into a feud and eventually out over another young talent but this time for a belt.
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Old 01-03-2017, 08:05 PM   #355
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Was the JBL, Heyman and Rosenberg thing worth watching?
Didn't see it but from what I've read online about the debut episode, it was pretty bad and mostly just the WWE mocking their fans and Bret Hart.
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Old 01-03-2017, 10:45 PM   #356
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Was the JBL, Heyman and Rosenberg thing worth watching?
It's just the three of them talking nonstop about how fans on the Internet are wrong about everything.
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Old 01-04-2017, 12:55 AM   #358
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That was a solid run
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CyNick comparing himself to Cena and Reigns.

I don't think anyone who posts on a wrestling forum should claim superiority over others on the forum re: their talent/impact/importance/popularity on said wrestling forum.

BTW, the reason we only name nine people to the Supreme Court is because Congress passed legislation limiting the number of justices to nine and only Congress has the legal authority via the U.S. Constitution to decide the appropraite number. It has nothing to do with the size of the group, you moron.
If you feel you're better than everyone, why wouldn't you say it? You could say it, it would be absurd to claim, but you could do it. With me the statement holds water because it's true, and deep down everyone knows it.

Thanks for the history lesson by the way, your contribution to the thread is appreciated.
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I'm actually on-board with Reigns as a double-champion. There is no way that Roman Reigns is ever going to be the beloved babyface Vince wants him to be until he turns heel and has a very cool run as the top guy on the brand, but if you're going to push him, at least push him unironically. Since he was "annointed," Reigns has been a part of some pretty farcical stuff. He won the 2015 Royal Rumble in an abysmal Rumble, even if you knew what they were trying to do. But then he got his ass kicked by Brock, he won the belt back in a tournament, lost it a few seconds later, won it back, lost it via ridiculous Rumble antics, then won it back and lost it again.

Reigns has not been booked well. They really went balls-in with him two years ago, but since then it has all been angle this, angle that. He will get booed wherever he goes, but as long as you put faces against him, there is someone to cheer. Reigns can be a heel on an almost psychic level. But at least try to make him look like an ass-kicking god. That match with Owens should be complete destruction. The "Reigns can really work guys, see" approach hasn't earned him any adoration from the fans. This is especially urgent if you are building him towards Goldberg.
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