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Old 04-06-2012, 12:14 PM   #1161
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I didn't say I agree with it, and have actually said the ACL part was the worst of it..

I'm just saying, acting like Greg Williams is the first coach to act like this and the Saints were the first team to do something like this is just being ignorant..
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Old 04-06-2012, 12:15 PM   #1162
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Also, I'm sure when this whole mess was first mentioned and when the stories started to come out, was when Peyton and Co decided to let him move on..
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I didn't say I agree with it, and have actually said the ACL part was the worst of it..

I'm just saying, acting like Greg Williams is the first coach to act like this and the Saints were the first team to do something like this is just being ignorant..
nobody is acting like that. it's not like people can chastise every single coach in the league without any kind of basis. your guys are just simply the ones who got caught.
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I didn't say I agree with it, and have actually said the ACL part was the worst of it..

I'm just saying, acting like Greg Williams is the first coach to act like this and the Saints were the first team to do something like this is just being ignorant..
He isn't and the Saints weren't the first team to do it. However, the Saints are the team that is on the record as having a bounty program with tens of thousands of documents including emails to Payton that prove its existence over a three year period. The audio is from a Saints defensive meeting.

So yeah, the Saints probably aren't the only team that had something like that, but they are the only team that got caught at the moment and trying to say "Yeah, but look at what this guy from this team said from that one game" or "They were doing it too" doesn't really change any of the facts as they pertain to the Saints situation.
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But it should change how fans are reacting to it..
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Even though he played for the Bucs, I still love the guy..

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Jets are so fucking dumb. He is a solid QB and they just got bit in the ass by trading so much to get him at #5 and putting unrealistic expectations on the kid. They need to get back to running the football, playing solid defense, and putting Sanchez in good situations. If they really think Tebow is the solution then they can go back to the drizzling shits. I don't like Sanchez, but acting like he is the reason for the Jets failure this year is beyond ludicrous.
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at the Jets. The Tebow trade was pretty dumb but at least in theory the plan was to use him to mix up their offense while Sanchez did the normal style.

at nobody being interested

To be fair to Sanchez, it was more of the fans and media that kept portraying him as the next Brady and the stupid "Sanchise" term than the organization itself. Management got too dumb for just trying to act like the Giants without actually realizing the Giants worked hard for years to get as good as they got.
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I'll believe it when I see it aka see it posted by Schefter, LaCanfora etc
If it's any consolation IB is followed by Schefter, also...
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IB also saying Sanchez can be had for "a 3rd or better". Not surprised, Rex said he wanted to get Tebow at least 20 snaps a game, about a third of what a typical offense averages. If you're willing to give him that much before OTAs even start, you're pretty clearly open to the idea of him starting eventually
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Shut up. The average points per game per NFL team was 22.2 this season. Do you know what it was back in 1985 when everyone was copying the 46? 21.8. 1995? 21.5 Do you know what it was back in 1965? 23.1.

The sky is not falling. The changes aren't so drastic that they're affecting the game or making it unwatchable.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...FL/scoring.htm
Looking over the stats, the scoring was the highest its been in the 32 team era dating back to 02, and 3 of the last 4 seasons have been at 22 ppg or more. As for 1985, the following 9 years showed a huge drop off in team average scoring, with at one point the average was 299 points per season vs 344 in 85 and 354 in 2011.

In 1985 there was only 1 QB that threw for over 4,000 yards (Marino). In 2011, there were 10 that threw for over 4,000 and 4 that threw for over 5,000. I would dare say that in the era of protected QBs and rules against defenders that you could see a 6,000 yard passing season from someone in the next couple of years (its only about 30 yards per game more to what Brees did last year to get to 6000). Some of this has come at the expense of the running game..which is another argument entirely.

2011 had 3 of the top 12 highest scoring teams in NFL History (Packers #2 35.0, Saints #4 34.2 and Patriots #12 32.1) 5 of the top 12 are 2007 or later (the 2007 Patriots #1 and 2010 Patriots #10)

The 2011 Bucs were the 7th worst team in points allowed (30.9).

Im a big fan of defense..and you cannot say that the rule changes the nfl has made over the last couple years have been in any favor of the defenses.
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Droford, it is the evolution of football. The NFL wants more regular season games to make more money and if they make it where players can last longer than it will be easier to do so.
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Comparing the NFL now to 27 years ago is fucking retarded. Since then, and not just because of the rules, teams have started passing WAAAAAAAY more. It's a whole different world now. Hell just 6 years ago a RB breaking 1000 yards was a big deal, now anything less than that in a season is considered an off year. Styles and the quality of players change, the rules hardly effect shit other than the length of a player's career
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Looking over the stats, the scoring was the highest its been in the 32 team era dating back to 02, and 3 of the last 4 seasons have been at 22 ppg or more. As for 1985, the following 9 years showed a huge drop off in team average scoring, with at one point the average was 299 points per season vs 344 in 85 and 354 in 2011.

In 1985 there was only 1 QB that threw for over 4,000 yards (Marino). In 2011, there were 10 that threw for over 4,000 and 4 that threw for over 5,000. I would dare say that in the era of protected QBs and rules against defenders that you could see a 6,000 yard passing season from someone in the next couple of years (its only about 30 yards per game more to what Brees did last year to get to 6000). Some of this has come at the expense of the running game..which is another argument entirely.

2011 had 3 of the top 12 highest scoring teams in NFL History (Packers #2 35.0, Saints #4 34.2 and Patriots #12 32.1) 5 of the top 12 are 2007 or later (the 2007 Patriots #1 and 2010 Patriots #10)

The 2011 Bucs were the 7th worst team in points allowed (30.9).

Im a big fan of defense..and you cannot say that the rule changes the nfl has made over the last couple years have been in any favor of the defenses.
You are so flawed. Not just in life, but in the way you present your arguments. For whatever reason, you provide all of this offensive data, but neglect to acknowledge the actual defensive statistics.

All the rules related to hits and quarterback protection were implemented in the 2009 season. That year, the average team scored 21.5 points per game. The Saints, Vikings, Colts and Jets were the teams that made it to the conference championships. All of those teams, except the Saints, had a defenses ranked in the TOP 10. Those were some good offenses in that mix too, so that season would prove your point except for the fact that in the following two seasons, 5 of the 8 teams that played in the Conference championship had better defenses than they did offenses.

In 2010, the average team scored 22 points per game (same PPG as the 2008 year in the period before the rule changes). The Steelers, Jets, Packers and Bears were the teams that made it to the conference championships. All of those teams, except for the Jets, had a defense ranked in the TOP 5. The Jets were #6. Of those teams, only the Packers had a TOP 10 overall offense.

In 2011, the average team scored 22.2 points per game. The Giants, 49ers, Ravens and Patriots made it to the conference championships. The Ravens and 49ers were the #2 and #3 ranked defenses respectively. The Patriots were 15 and the Giants were 25. Neither the Jets or Ravens had TOP 10 offenses either. Don't forget that both of those teams had a shit ton of luck (i.e., fumbles, missed field goals) getting to the Superbowl in those Conference games. It's not like the offenses for the Giants and Patriots went out and won 45-6.

So how is it that top defenses are hampered, yet in the three seasons since the major rule changes, 9 of the 12 teams playing in the conference championships were TOP 10 defensively and in many cases carried their offenses? Also, the NFL is a copycat league. With every team running some version of the Spread, it makes sense for passing yards to go up. However, if you look at the number of total touchdowns top defenses gave up in 2011 and compare them to the total number of touchdowns in 2001, 2002, 2003, etc... you'll see that the numbers are less or almost identical.
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Tim Tebow is speaking at a Texas church on Easter and 20,000 people are expected to show up. Dude has a future as a televangelist. He'd probably make as much money from that as Brady and Manning do from playing QB anyways.

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So who do you guys want your teams to draft this month??

Cowboys at 14 I want either Barron, Cox, or DeCastro..thats it. I know they can't go corner, and Jerrah seems to be pushing for the d-line. But if Decastro is there I dont care if we signed 2 free agent guards they arent the long term answer, we have to take him if he's there. So yea one of those 3 i'll be a happy camper
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A fucking CB. Champ and Goodman are 33, and Porter has potential but he's only here on a one year "prove it" deal, so there's a chance he doesn't stick around. Also Goodman is garbage. DT is deep enough this draft that they can wait until the second to grab one, but nowadays in the NFL you're essentially screwed if you don't have 3 solid CBs and while Denver is alright this year with Bailey, Porter and Harris/Squid next year will prob blow given the Porter situation, Bailey potentially moving to safety and Harris and Squid both being best as a nickel
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I really hope there's a high amount of tongue-wedged-in-cheek here
Yes , partially. I hate it that this situation is coming to light. Bounties, brutality and injuries are all a part of football. I dont like roger goddell, but I understand that he's commissioner of the most visible league in the most transparent society. But society also has to acknowledge that they're pussies, and there is no way to understand what athletes go through. They can't understand what motivates them to perform at a level to entertain.

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