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Old 07-19-2011, 08:29 PM   #17841
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The rating was higher than last week's? What's the problem then?
This is true, albeit slightly lower than they wanted coming off of MitB.

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Well, with your assumption, Heyman should come into WWE as Hogan and Co went to TNA.

I'd say that competition creates cash, as soon as TNA gets on the road and returns to Monday Nights, the better for wrestling in general, but more importantly, better for WWE.
I agree with the bold part of your statement, but I do not want to see TNA on Monday nights anytime soon. Heyman will probably never be in WWE again, and would be better for TNA anyway. I say for competition's sake TNA needs to get rid of Hogan and co., who aren't doing anything for the ratings anyway, and let Paul run the show. Create a viable alternative for people to wrestle, and for viewers.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:34 PM   #17842
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I thought you just said that having fans their whole lives, run the show.

If memory serves me correctly, there is no better fan then Hogan and Bischoff and company.

They made it work in WCW, I think if given the time, they can make it work in TNA.

I went to a TNA Show last year in FL, and I got this huge WCW vibe from my teenage years, but I was SO unimpressed by the size of the arena.

It was cool seeing old superstars like Jimmy Hart and such, especially, introducing me to younger superstars currently representing TNA, but it was uncool waiting in line for 9 hours to be stuffed into a high school type gym.

I don't think that has to do with the Writing, that has to do with the marketing, and the resources.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:35 PM   #17843
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I'm also sick of people thinking that Paul Heyman is the only person that can write good wrestling.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:37 PM   #17844
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If the ratings is higher this week than last week, there isn't a problem. Only way it becomes a problem is if next week is lower which means WWE already has people loosing interest in what could be a huge storyline.

It could also mean people are not caring about having a new champion this quickly or Cena not being fired even though that was a huge stipulation in the ppv match.

Punk could still keep some interest as long as he keeps up his random WWE title tour with each week having the title in a new location but RAW can't just ignore his actions like they did yesterday or show him on a live feed to the audience one week.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:38 PM   #17845
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The rating was higher than last week's? What's the problem then?
Last week's was a 2.9. Against the All Star game

3.2 is the typical Raw average. Basically, nothing changed from the norm
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:42 PM   #17846
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:44 PM   #17847
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:46 PM   #17848
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I'm also sick of people thinking that Paul Heyman is the only person that can write good wrestling.
Just for the record I never said only Paul Heyman could write good wrestling.

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I thought you just said that having fans their whole lives, run the show.

If memory serves me correctly, there is no better fan then Hogan and Bischoff and company.

They made it work in WCW, I think if given the time, they can make it work in TNA.

I went to a TNA Show last year in FL, and I got this huge WCW vibe from my teenage years, but I was SO unimpressed by the size of the arena.

It was cool seeing old superstars like Jimmy Hart and such, especially, introducing me to younger superstars currently representing TNA, but it was uncool waiting in line for 9 hours to be stuffed into a high school type gym.

I don't think that has to do with the Writing, that has to do with the marketing, and the resources.
I also never said a 'fan' per say. What I meant was look at the shit Noid posts on the regular. Some of it is great, some of it flops, but you can tell every time he posts it that he truly cares about the industry as a whole. As opposed to Hogan who is a fan of himself, and Bischoff, who is also a fan of Hogan. the nWo was the biggest thing in pro wrestling, but sticking with it way too long brought WCW down. Immortal is sticking with the nWo angle WAY too long.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:47 PM   #17849
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:48 PM   #17850
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Raw's ratings since Juneish:

May 30 - 3.07
June 6 - 3.21
June 13 - 3.06
June 20 - 3.09
June 27 - 3.13
July 4 - 2.4
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:49 PM   #17851
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A lot of what Noid posts is pure crap, really. No offense, Noid.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:55 PM   #17852
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It will take time to build the product back up... People who have given up on it are not just going to come racing back. What did they expect? A 5.0 after a few weeks of good wrestling?
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:57 PM   #17853
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It will take time to build the product back up... People who have given up on it are not just going to come racing back. What did they expect? A 5.0 after a few weeks of good wrestling?
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May 30 - 3.07
June 6 - 3.21
June 13 - 3.06
June 20 - 3.09
June 27 - 3.13
July 4 - 2.4
July 11 - 2.9
July 18 - 3.2
The only major dips were on Independence Day and against the All-Star game? I think they're doing fine. Nothing to bring back Shane McMahon about.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:58 PM   #17854
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Old 07-19-2011, 09:01 PM   #17855
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The only major dips were on Independence Day and against the All-Star game? I think they're doing fine. Nothing to bring back Shane McMahon about.
Basically my point. Nothing good, nothing bad. Just business as usual.
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Old 07-19-2011, 09:01 PM   #17856
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Old 07-19-2011, 09:06 PM   #17857
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Old 07-19-2011, 09:09 PM   #17858
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Was he/she/it on Raw last night?
I think I saw the podium, but there was no business from it. When Vince is on the scene, it's irrelevant.
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Old 07-19-2011, 09:12 PM   #17859
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That makes sense though. Could you imagine if that would have gone down on Smackdown?

VINCE: John Cena...YOU'RE FI--

*YOU KNOW IT'S THE MACK MILITANT...*

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Old 07-19-2011, 09:13 PM   #17860
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I think that to panic at this juncture over the lack of a major ratings spike in lieu of the Punk/Cena/McMahon angle is jumping the gun a little bit. Rome wasn't built in a day - even when Austin/McMahon started off, we didn't see an immediate jump in the ratings - it was a gradual climb upwards as the WWF showed their fans that they could consistently put on an entertaining and worthwhile product, week-in and week-out, which featured interesting characters like Stone Cold, Vince McMahon, The Rock, DX, Mankind and others.

I think that the WWE brain-trust should focus less on the ratings and more on the reviews they've been getting over the past few weeks. This much praise has not been heaped upon the WWE in a very long time - maybe not since Nexus, possibly before that. What they are doing is working, and if they continue to put on interesting, intriguing and entertaining segments/matches every single week, then word of mouth will cause a gradual increase in ratings.

But like I said, no one can expect a sudden spike in the ratings. The WWE's casual fans have been programmed to believe that RAW is about John Cena, Randy Orton and whatever lame ass they're feuding against at the time - it's not like the attitude era when fans were programmed to believe that RAW could be anything - that anything could happen and that shit could hit the fan at any moment. The past few weeks with Punk have brought that feeling back, but for the actual ratings to pick up, that feeling has to become the overall attitude of the WWE and it's flagship program, RAW.
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Old 07-19-2011, 09:15 PM   #17861
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Old 07-19-2011, 09:15 PM   #17862
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I think I saw the podium, but there was no business from it. When Vince is on the scene, it's irrelevant.

I think they are gonna start to downplay the Anonymous GM, and HHH will have more of an on air role.
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Old 07-19-2011, 09:19 PM   #17865
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I thought it would be over for good once Austin ran it over with his four wheeler, but it was back next week with no mention of the incident.
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I'm not sure there's anything that can be done to get the ratings back to Attitude era ratings (5's, 6's, 7's) on a consistent level. As much as I would love to see the attitude era writing and interest return, I've come to view the attitude era as more of an anomaly than anything.

It was the perfect storm with guys like Rock, Austin, Foley, HHH, stables like, DX, the Corporation, the Ministry, etc., along with the emergence of realistic storylines and the hardcore style from ECW and the competition and emergence of WCW, NWO and a heel Hogan, etc.

I don't think we'll likely ever see anything like that again in most of our lifetimes anyway. The world and the business has changed too much, along with the advents of the internet and social media, it's just not likely to happen. We've seen practically everything done time and time again, real screw jobs, worked screw jobs, kidnappings, weddings, running people over, exploding limos, etc.

Unless someone comes along and drastically changes the business, like Heyman's idea of bringing in legit UFC fighters or something, I just don't see anything ever bringing back those Attitude era ratings again anytime soon. Can it happen? Sure. Will it happen? Not likely IMO. Would I love to see it? Absolutely!
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Old 07-19-2011, 09:24 PM   #17867
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Just keep doing what they're doing and the ratings should start slowly picking up. There's no one week solution. They're on a good path.
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Old 07-19-2011, 09:38 PM   #17868
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Why are there threads about everything on the home page now?

Anyway I don't really see anything to be concerned about. A 3.2 on Monday primetime is a great number for network television.
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Old 07-19-2011, 09:44 PM   #17869
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New creative for better writing, get rid if the pg shit and for god's sake stop watering down wrestling itself. I know it's a safety thing but there are people who are capable of that style.
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Old 07-19-2011, 09:50 PM   #17870
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Its Lil Jimmy Norton's birthday..made me think of this..they should get him to come on RAW..would be awesome
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:07 PM   #17874
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I'm also sick of people thinking that Paul Heyman is the only person that can write good wrestling.
Paul Carrington can write it too.
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:08 PM   #17875
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yeah, that'd be it.

I think Mick Foley's talked about this numerous times. They were destroying WCW in the quality of shows, but the ratings didn't show for it for months. If the WWE can keep this level of quality, or better obviously, then ratings will rise in time.
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Probably better, for that fact.
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It will just take them putting on solid shows for a long time really. I mean, the ratings didn't start picking up big time with Austin for at least a year after he started getting pushed to the top. They've had more buzz on the product in the last month than they have in a while. Regardless of ratings, that shows that they're doing something right. They just need to keep up the momentum.
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kinda pissed right now cause of 2 fat bitches holding up signs during the entire main event os smackdown. I shouted at them to put the signs down only for them to turn around slackjawed to see who it was and raise them higher :foc:
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