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Old 09-12-2015, 08:30 PM   #41
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I was thinking the other day about how The Prime Time Players are basically the male Bellas to me. They work hard and they've gotten a lot better -- but they're not great -- and kind of put a roof on the greatness possible by being in the position they are. They also seem to have this really odd thing where they can't work out how to be either proper heels or faces. As bad guys they were always trying to go for the pop, and as good guys they wear expensive suits and argue with face commentators.
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Old 09-12-2015, 10:54 PM   #42
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Someone explain to me why are Prime Time Players "less cool" than The New Day.

Bunch of dancing black guys, too, right?

Serious question. I don't watch much.
Probably the usual Creative being horrible when it comes to making face wrestlers interesting. Either that or New Day has some creative freedom for their gimmick since some of the stuff they are doing doesn't seem like Creative came up with it.
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Old 09-12-2015, 11:23 PM   #43
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I think WWE should start making 3 to 5 year plans for their talent. Not hard, chiseled in stone plans, but stop expecting someone with "the look" to be curtain jerker to Heavyweight Champ inside of six months and have the fans be on board with it, while others who may be more talented in one way or another not be utilized and languish in the lower center of the card forever until they're eventually housecleaned. Itxs like they forgot how to build talent over time. If a Shawn Michaels came into the WWE now, he'd never make it. If they did overlook how "small" he is, he'd keep getting depushed when they got bored with him.

And even beyond all hope of it, if they "knew what they had" when he walked in the door, they would want him as Heavyweight Champion by next Wrestlemania... when the fans couldn't care less because nobody would be given the opportunity to grow with him. No Rockers, no Barber Shop window, no Sexy Boy IC run, no ladder match with Razor, no bodyguard-cum-rival in Diesel, no zipline, no smile loss, no DX, no Montreal, no WM vs Undertaker I or II... nothing to be invested in whatsoever.

The Rock didn't become The Rock overnight. Neither did Cena. Neither did Stone Cold. Arguably, neither did Hul[redacted]an, as he was a combination of poached talent and copypasta, and even then, he went through tweaks and even a little bit of evolution. But, could you imagine if Vince "got bored" with Hulkamainia inside of a few months?
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Old 09-13-2015, 09:50 PM   #44
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This is the problem with a "creative team." If you have so many people scripting your shows, then a grand vision for your guys is obviously going to clash. If Joe Smith has this big idea that The New Day are going to be built up and the three of them are going to be the last in the Royal Rumble, and Big E is going to have this huge moment where he eliminates both guys, and Kofi and Woods act like they're cool with it heading into the main event as they back up Big E against WWE Champion Brock Lesnar, but Earl Nickworthy has this idea that John Cena is going to win the Royal Rumble and go on to face The Undertaker, who takes the title in a surprise moment heading into Mania, then you've obviously got conflicting plans. Collectively a lot of people might see a lot in a lot of people, but you need to give those guys a chance to breathe and get that something special out of them.

And in the end it all comes down to Vince McMahon, and whether he's a genius or not, he seems to be on the whim of the moment a lot of time, and seems to want to keep investors happy more than creating a pulsing product.

I was listening to a podcast between Konnan and Gabe Sapolsky the other day, and something they suggested really interested me: Konnan used to want to go to the WWE and write specifically for Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio. He knew their voices, styles and what would have worked for them. If the WWE did something like this, then you get guys working on a more focused level with certain talent, and more concentrated effort going into their programs. Without being old-school about it, you actually get certain guys picked out as "pillars" of your programming too.

For example: If Joe Smith is assigned Randy Orton and Earl Nickworthy is assigned Kevin Owens -- they're going to be building these guys up for months at a time instead of on a week-to-week basis. This also keeps Orton and Owens separate, since two different guys are handling their booking. Lo and behold, come WrestleMania season, these two guys have had that match-up kept fresh, which makes it a viable draw for the PPV.

I've seen the idea floated for divisions in the past. I'm sure I've seen Jim Ross suggest that one or two writers be assigned to the tag team division. The same could be done for the ladies. Have Michael Hayes and a Nickelodeon guy work with the tag teams, then have Zeb Colter and a Hollywood guy work with the ladies.
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Old 09-14-2015, 07:41 AM   #45
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Here's some things I'd do with either of the shows if I was in charge:

1) Establish booking teams for each division on the show (WWE: World Title/Main Event, IC/US titles & midcard, tag division, and Divas). Imagine what Heyman could do with the midcard guys, for example. You also have Dutch Mantel who has experience in the booking department.

2) Each booking team would be given a roster of superstars to work with and a set of guidelines to work within (e.g. You can't use a guy from another roster without consent from the team that has him)

3) Each booking team has a head booker, 2-3 writers and an agent who puts the inring together

4) All teams would be brought together at weekly booking meetings in order to plan weeks/months in advance, to ensure that similar things aren't happening in each division, so that I could give final say on direction, etc.

The idea of this would be to create internal competition. With no real competition to WWE they need to compete amongst themselves. TNA could benefit from this model by concentrating on putting out their best content rather than worrying what WWE are doing.

Each team of bookers/writers/agents should be looking to get their guys/title as over as possible. The team booking the midcard titles should be looking to elevate their guys so that they're ready to be transitioned into the Main Event team.

The teams should be interchangeable too. If they best stuff is coming from your midcard team they should be given a chance with the top guys.

Shows should be planned weeks/months in advance. Obviously there are elements that can change (injuries being a major game changer for example) but for the most part I want to know where we're headed with each division/set of superstars going forward.

That way you don't have stuff like:

Brodus Clay allows Xavier Woods to use his music and dancers.
Clay gets annoyed and attacks Woods. Clay is now heel, breaking up Tons of Funk.
Clay vs. Woods plays out on B level shows, Clay vs. Tensai doesn't produce anything of note.

Fast-forward a few months: Tensai is an announcer on the C-show, Clay lost a match to the C-show champion and in doing so failed to obtain a match for the belt. Woods is a jobber, scheduled to lose in a handicap match (where he has the man advantage) against the current hot thing.

Total waste of time/momentum for everybody involved.
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Old 09-15-2015, 05:02 AM   #46
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Old 09-16-2015, 09:19 AM   #47
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*pyros shoot off, pan to the crowd holding signs, they are fired up, the dads just bought out the merch stand's John Cena swag, the piggy kids are fed and hydrated, one has to go to the bathroom during their father's favorite wrestler entrance, he is left to pee on himself, the section now reaks of piss, the crowd is white hot for RAW*


I'm one of the channel flippers for RAW/MNF(Monday Night Football) and was hooked in for the NEW DAY, noticed that Charlotte/Nikki went around the time that halftime was up for the first game.


The Sting hook fell flat for me and almost cost them a viewer right out the gate. Don't get me wrong, I'm one of Sting's fans, but not this watered down version that is protected and balding. It was a slight at WCW fans cause we seen that match already, like 20 f'n years ago. If it was Sting v.s. Fandango or Heath Slater it would have been more interesting.


The slow burn I'm hoping for better pan out, as they bring in big attractions to maintain what they think they have until another Hogan/Cena arises. Right now, I don't think we need that big, single and polarizing star, that may be damaging, having 4 or 5 top guys should be the goal. We need a f'n WrestleMania Fatal Four Way match for the belt and put the Shield guys and Cesaro in it.


When they stop running the New Day through the tag team division, they should do something different and keep them as a unit. Have them set out and dominate singles match, but have them kept together. Big E could hold the Heavyweight, Kofi the IC and Xavier could run with the US or the newly fictionally rechristened Lightweight Championship.
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Old 09-16-2015, 12:22 PM   #48
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Sting fucking sucks. I was saying that before he actually came back and everyone was salivating for a Wrestlemania match with Undertaker.
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I was in Iraq for Goldberg's return, but going back and seeing how he was booked it's kind of like they are booking Sting the same. They really like to stick it to WCW which was like half a lifetime ago. Just move the hell on and the fact they know how "smart" the fans are it sounds moderately disrespectful to not mention the gap between WCW/WWE. At least make something up like he was on Scott Steiner's private island or some shit
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They could have said that he was silently waiting in the rafters the entire time and it would have been better than whatever is going on now.
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That's good

or Sting coming out as Surfer Sting, refusing the black and white version after WWE spent money to make Crow shirts and action figures
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Old 09-16-2015, 06:12 PM   #52
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They should have had the severed head of Rollins' statue fall from the rafters painted with the Crow make-up. That would have been menacing. Similar to what The Joker did to the Bat-pack guys in TDK.
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Old 09-16-2015, 08:31 PM   #53
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I actually like the idea of The New Day staying aligned but breaking off into singles. Spread their awesomeness out over a show.
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Feel like the New Day is a sum of their parts product. If one Woods wins a singles belt great. But much the Wyatt family, think they work best and are more appealing as a unit.
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Agreed. If the rest of the product didn't suck wind so much then I wouldn't be calling for them to be spread out as much.
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I was in Iraq for Goldberg's return, but going back and seeing how he was booked it's kind of like they are booking Sting the same. They really like to stick it to WCW which was like half a lifetime ago. Just move the hell on and the fact they know how "smart" the fans are it sounds moderately disrespectful to not mention the gap between WCW/WWE. At least make something up like he was on Scott Steiner's private island or some shit
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I always wanted Sting vs. Triple H. I just envisioned it differently.
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No matter how you envision it, Sting sucks.
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WCW Sting ruled. It's hard to defend current Sting
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