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Old 12-08-2013, 10:40 PM   #2001
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Please be Gilbride
Most of the beat writers seem to be under the impression that all of the coordinators are safe. Coughlin is known as a loyal man who does not like to fire his coordinators. Only 3 have been fired during Coughlin's 10 season Giants run, and all of them seemed to have specific reasoning behind it beyond just "they sucked". John Hufnagel who the players hated, Tim Lewis because they had Spagnuolo specifically targeted for the job, and Bill Sheridan because the owners basically forced him to.

From what I've read, after his 2nd Super Bowl win he's basically given free reign as to who he keeps on his staff. I can't see ownership forcing him to fire Gilbride, as much as I'd like him to. Ditto for Tom Quinn despite the team's historically bad special teams play.
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Old 12-08-2013, 10:42 PM   #2002
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Old 12-08-2013, 10:46 PM   #2003
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Either the Titans take their chance with Locker next season and hope he's healthy and build around him, or take their chances in the draft again.

No reason to go after Cutler since he himself can't stay healthy.
Yeah, the defense is good to an extent, it's the offense needing some serious work as usual
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Old 12-09-2013, 10:17 AM   #2004
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Most of the beat writers seem to be under the impression that all of the coordinators are safe. Coughlin is known as a loyal man who does not like to fire his coordinators. Only 3 have been fired during Coughlin's 10 season Giants run, and all of them seemed to have specific reasoning behind it beyond just "they sucked". John Hufnagel who the players hated, Tim Lewis because they had Spagnuolo specifically targeted for the job, and Bill Sheridan because the owners basically forced him to.

From what I've read, after his 2nd Super Bowl win he's basically given free reign as to who he keeps on his staff. I can't see ownership forcing him to fire Gilbride, as much as I'd like him to. Ditto for Tom Quinn despite the team's historically bad special teams play.
How good are you at calling the plays that the Giants call? I know immediately when there is a draw, screen, or cutback run to the weakside WHEN THERE IS AN EXTRA LINEMAN ON THE OTHER FUCKING SIDE
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Richard Sherman called the game against the Niners a "glorified practice." Do teams typically lose during practice?
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Richard Sherman called the game against the Niners a "glorified practice." Do teams typically lose during practice?
Perhaps he is saying that because he, like the rest of the football world outside of ninerland, know that there is no way in any stretch of the imagination that the Hawks will have to win a playoff game in San Fran this year.

The message that they needed to sent was sent when they throttled San Fran in Seattle earlier.
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:50 PM   #2009
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Colin Cowherd says that Gronk's injury has guaranteed that Peyton is going to the Superbowl.

He must forgot that Peyton Manning is known for choking.
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Old 12-09-2013, 03:12 PM   #2010
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Colin Cowherd says that Gronk's injury has guaranteed that Peyton is going to the Superbowl.

He must forgot that Peyton Manning is known for choking.
You mean, just like "Peyton Manning can't play well in the cold", as he so ably demonstrated yesterday?

I love when retards make up these completely stupid narratives with no factual basis to them.

Manning is as much a choker as Brady or Brees or any other elite QB who Flacco or Eli couldn't dream of being half as good as.
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Old 12-09-2013, 04:15 PM   #2012
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You mean, just like "Peyton Manning can't play well in the cold", as he so ably demonstrated yesterday?

I love when retards make up these completely stupid narratives with no factual basis to them.

Manning is as much a choker as Brady or Brees or any other elite QB who Flacco or Eli couldn't dream of being half as good as.
no, I mean Peyton Manning throws a game ending Pick Six against new Orleans in the Superbowl. Or a game clinching Interception against Baltimore last year in the playoffs.

Or how he would throw 3 interceptions every time he'd play in an AFC Championship. Or how he has a losing playoff record (9-11). yeah idiots who ignore statistical and historical facts make me fucking sick.
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Let us also not forget the poor play calling that couldn't convert a 2nd and 1, or a 3rd and 1, and quit throwing the ball late in the game and that Denver defense that allowed Baltimore's offense to score 38 points.

That same pourous Denver defense that will most likely be the reason Peyton has to try to do too much and ends up throwing said interception so this narrative continues another year.
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no, I mean Peyton Manning throws a game ending Pick Six against new Orleans in the Superbowl. Or a game clinching Interception against Baltimore last year in the playoffs.

Or how he would throw 3 interceptions every time he'd play in an AFC Championship. Or how he has a losing playoff record (9-11). yeah idiots who ignore statistical and historical facts make me fucking sick.
Peyton Manning AFC Championship games:
2003 IND @ NWE L 14-24 23-47 48.94% 237 yards 1 td 4 ints
2006 IND NWE W 38-34 27-47 57.45% 349 yards 1 td's 1 ints
2009 IND NYJ W 30-17 26-39 66.67% 377 yards 3 td's 0 ints

Peyton Manning Super Bowls:
2006 IND CHI W 29-17 25-38 65.79% 247 yards 1 td 1 int
2009 IND NOR L 17-31 31-45 68.89% 333 yards 1 td 1 int

Peyton Manning against New England in the playoffs:
2003 IND @ NWE L 14-24 23-47 48.94% 237 yards 1 td 4 ints
2004 IND @ NWE L 3-20 27-42 64.29% 238 yards 0 td's 1 int
2006 IND NWE W 38-34 27-47 57.45% 349 yards 1 td's 1 ints

Most int's in a playoff game by Peyton Manning:
2003: 4 - L NWE 24-14
2006: 3 - W KC 23-8
4 different times: 2 - 1-3 record
6 different times: 1 - 4-2 record
8 different times: 0 - 3-5 record

Krimzon you know you're my boy, and I'm not going to come at you and start throwing names and insults, but we disagree on this.
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MetLlife Stadium announces tailgating won't be allowed for the upcoming Super Bowl at their location. The official reason is due to safety issues since they don't want the parking lot to be crowded with parties when that space is going to be needed for all the busing and transportation that will be occurring.

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Perhaps he is saying that because he, like the rest of the football world outside of ninerland, know that there is no way in any stretch of the imagination that the Hawks will have to win a playoff game in San Fran this year.

The message that they needed to sent was sent when they throttled San Fran in Seattle earlier.
I don't think he thought about what he was saying that much. I'm pretty sure he was just being an asshole, as he tends to be. Major shit talker, that man is. He is the first to embrace the "forty whiner" moniker and then blamed the refs for their loss yesterday at the presser. Pretty weak.
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Glad Rodgers is expected to be cleared for next Sun., but barring a total collapse by both the Bears and Lions, GB doesn't look to have any hopes of winning the NFC North.
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*must ignore super bowl ring and AFC championship victories and only credit him with the losses and not the wins so you can continue to believe what you want to believe.
No, I didn't omit any of his post season wins. I added all nine. I just didn't forget his 11 losses like so many of his fans tend to do.

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Let us also not forget the poor play calling that couldn't convert a 2nd and 1, or a 3rd and 1, and quit throwing the ball late in the game and that Denver defense that allowed Baltimore's offense to score 38 points.

That same pourous Denver defense that will most likely be the reason Peyton has to try to do too much and ends up throwing said interception so this narrative continues another year.
I didn't forget that. I just remembered that Denver signed Peyton Manning to make the clutch throws and to make the big play. I remembered that after Flaaco's miracle throw, Peyton still had the ball with a chance to win. Peyton and the Broncos didn't win that game.
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Peyton Manning AFC Championship games:
2003 IND @ NWE L 14-24 23-47 48.94% 237 yards 1 td 4 ints
2006 IND NWE W 38-34 27-47 57.45% 349 yards 1 td's 1 ints
2009 IND NYJ W 30-17 26-39 66.67% 377 yards 3 td's 0 ints

Peyton Manning Super Bowls:
2006 IND CHI W 29-17 25-38 65.79% 247 yards 1 td 1 int
2009 IND NOR L 17-31 31-45 68.89% 333 yards 1 td 1 int

Peyton Manning against New England in the playoffs:
2003 IND @ NWE L 14-24 23-47 48.94% 237 yards 1 td 4 ints
2004 IND @ NWE L 3-20 27-42 64.29% 238 yards 0 td's 1 int
2006 IND NWE W 38-34 27-47 57.45% 349 yards 1 td's 1 ints

Most int's in a playoff game by Peyton Manning:
2003: 4 - L NWE 24-14
2006: 3 - W KC 23-8
4 different times: 2 - 1-3 record
6 different times: 1 - 4-2 record
8 different times: 0 - 3-5 record

Krimzon you know you're my boy, and I'm not going to come at you and start throwing names and insults, but we disagree on this.

It's perfectly okay to have a healthy disagreement. I respect your opinion, I respect the fact that you don't agree with mine.
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This table is too much of an eyesore.

Here's an interesting article

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When you blame the QB for every loss and and only respect the fact that he had a team around him when he wins, it's easy to call any QB a choke artist. Peyton Manning is easily one of the greatest QBs of all time. Switch teams/coaches with him and Brady and Brady is the "choker" of the two.
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No, I didn't omit any of his post season wins. I added all nine. I just didn't forget his 11 losses like so many of his fans tend to do.
You ignore this fact that you DID call him a choke artist despite his Super Bowl ring and AFC Championship victories. He has won EVERY GAME THERE IS FOR HIM TO WIN IN A SEASON!!! He has broken every record a man playing his position can break PLUS he has contributed to his team reaching the ultimate team goal. Yet you will continue to shit on him because you have already decided that you will shit on him regardless.
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Naw. He's definitely a choke artist. Like, for real. He doesn't get nearly enough credit for being incredibly unclutch.
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Seriously, though... I remember before Peyton won a championship, the knock on him was "Yeah, he's STATISTICALLY one of the greatest of all time but he hasn't won a championship." Then he won a championship. On top of being statistically THE greatest of all time. And then people said "Yeah, but still..."

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! lol He has broken every individual record AND taken his team the distance and people still shit on him. It's the most glaring example of some football fans desperately needing to hate players regardless of what they accomplish.
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You ignore this fact that you DID call him a choke artist despite his Super Bowl ring and AFC Championship victories. He has won EVERY GAME THERE IS FOR HIM TO WIN IN A SEASON!!! He has broken every record a man playing his position can break PLUS he has contributed to his team reaching the ultimate team goal. Yet you will continue to shit on him because you have already decided that you will shit on him regardless.
The stats are there. Peyton is a regular season stud. Once December/January hits, he is a different player. And weather has nothing to do with it.
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You're probably one of those idiots that thinks Romo is a huge choke artist too. Keep feeding into that ESPN hype machine bro!
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Glad Rodgers is expected to be cleared for next Sun., but barring a total collapse by both the Bears and Lions, GB doesn't look to have any hopes of winning the NFC North.
Don't count him out, he's been on the sidelines growing a stache and resting his body, he won't go down without a fight, plus he can blame it all on the rest if they don't make it.
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You're probably one of those idiots that thinks Romo is a huge choke artist too. Keep feeding into that ESPN hype machine bro!
Romo is the product of the ESPN hype machine dude. This entire statement is ironic!
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Don't count him out, he's been on the sidelines growing a stache and resting his body, he won't go down without a fight, plus he can blame it all on the rest if they don't make it.
dId his stache reach porn star levels yet?
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You ignore this fact that you DID call him a choke artist despite his Super Bowl ring and AFC Championship victories. He has won EVERY GAME THERE IS FOR HIM TO WIN IN A SEASON!!! He has broken every record a man playing his position can break PLUS he has contributed to his team reaching the ultimate team goal. Yet you will continue to shit on him because you have already decided that you will shit on him regardless.


I acknowledge that you, and a lot of people value the accumulation of yards, statistics, and records over the course of a career. In that regard Peyton Manning is amazing. During the Season, he is spectacular and damn near unbeatable.

You have to acknowledge that I and a lot of people measure a quarterback (who gets all the credit for a win and all the blame for a loss) in wins, losses, and championships.

In this regard, Peyton has a lot of regular seasons wins, and very few losses. IN THE PLAYOFFS, HE HAS MORE LOSSES THAN WINS, AND HE HAS ONLY ONE CHAMPIONSHIP.

The statistics you are so willing to suck Peyton's dick for will be eclipsed by somebody one day. When these passing records erode, history will only remember one thing: Super Bowl championships. Can you tell me how many touchdowns Terry Bradshaw threw for in the 70's? Probably not. Can you tell me how many Superbowl championships he has?

Yeah, I'm sure you can.
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I don't ever agree with Krimzon but I'm on board here. Peyton Manning is an incredible regular season QB but he can never be compared to guys like Montana who were lights out when it mattered most. You can cite all of the stats, numbers, and plays that you want but it still remains that he makes quite a few boneheaded plays when the game is on the line and it costs his team championships. He's still one of the best players of our generation as a regular season competitor, but he doesn't win when it matters.
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but he doesn't win when it matters.
...except when he won the Superbowl.
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When comparing the amount of season wins he has to playoff wins, it is a bit off. Fairly disproportionate. He is a much better player than how he plays in the playoffs and there has to be a reason for it. He just isn't a clutch player for the most part when it matters. We will see what happens in January but I have a feeling they aren't going to the Superbowl, despite this immense season.

Nobody is saying he is an awful player. That isn't the argument. He's incredible when it doesn't matter. He just isn't a very clutch player in the playoffs when compared to how great he is in the regular season. And yes. He has a championship. I understand that. But the numbers from season wins to playoff wins are pretty disproportionate.
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Really hope Niners get the chance to walk into Seattle again in January. I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility to hand them an upset at the CLink. Look what the Bucs almost did awhile back. Our offense is getting stronger and stronger every week as we readjust to having everybody back in play again. "Nobody can beat the Hawks in Seattle" seems to be being built as some infallible legend or something but I don't think it is as impossible as ESPN is billing it to be. That seems to be their newest jackoff material lately. I hope we get the chance to break their spirits yet again.
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"Nobody can beat the Hawks in Seattle" seems to be being built as some infallible legend or something but I don't think it is as impossible as ESPN is billing it to be. That seems to be their newest jackoff material lately. I hope we get the chance to break their spirits yet again.
This is how it always is because football people are only allowed to think in absolutes. Whenever someone spots a trend in football someone always pops up with the argument that this trend is guaranteed to continue in the same way forever even though history shows that's a really stupid opinion to have.
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You can apply that to this little Peyton Manning clutchness argument you're having. Everybody makes a big to do about how he's either super unclutch or he's super clutch and it's not his fault and nobody ever takes up the most rational answer which is yeah he's kinda clutch sometimes but not all the time.
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