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Old 08-19-2017, 08:26 PM   #41
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The obvious answer is typically the correct one, and it's likely that WWE was just paranoid about another Chris Benoit situation. Yes, Dolph Ziggler has had concussions as well, but we don't know the nature of his concussions or how they compare to Bryan's.
I agree with Occam's razor, but I disagree with its application here. How much do we really know about concussions and how they work? The WWE probably pays the best specialists (and they cleared Bryan), but the field is still largely in its infancy. I don't think they'd have an honest rubric on how to compare Bryan and Ziggler's brains, because I'm not sure it exists yet.

Bryan retiring from wrestling is probably the best thing for him, because a single injury could potentially change a life forever, but the idea that the WWE only has the best in mind is a bit naive -- especially considering Bryan's story and their history. I'm sure that PR goes into it, don't get me wrong, but the idea that they are harder on Bryan than other talent isn't the weirdest thing in the world. They put Bret Hart in the ring multiple times in 2010. They had Brock legitimately concuss Orton just last year. Protecting the brain is not simply priority #1 on the WWE's agenda.
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Old 08-20-2017, 02:03 AM   #42
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The obvious answer is typically the correct one, and it's likely that WWE was just paranoid about another Chris Benoit situation. Yes, Dolph Ziggler has had concussions as well, but we don't know the nature of his concussions or how they compare to Bryan's.
Aside from the neck stuff, pretty sure concussion scare did Edge in. Also the guy who shaped up to become the real lead announcer (Corey Graves) is sitting in the booth because concussions benched him, yet Zigs and Fandangoo are still lacing them up and nobody really talks about it.

Some of this may just be situational and timing, kinda like a certain "Arab-American" who was banned from TV due to the political climate of the day. Or even when Austin had that paralasys scare from that Owen piledriver; had that match happened even a few years later, doctors likely would have been ready to pull the plug on Austin. Had Daniel's concussion issues happened sooner OR later than they did, he might still be in the ring today. But happening at a time when there was major talk about CTE, and NFL looking into the matter, and that Will Smith movie, and so on and so forth, it wouldn't have been a good look to have their championship centerpiece possibly taken out by one errant/incidental shot to the temple in a random match, either in one of their rings or even if he continued to wrestle elsewhere (let's be honest, the headline of a tragedy would begin "FORMER WWE CHAMPION...", and they'd have to be covering their asses even if he were working for New Japan or something).

It sucks for DB, as it aligns with the whole conspiracy theory of not wanting him to be the guy in a company known at times to be petty on the whim of Vince's mood, but then again, Danny Bry has also proven to be a top-notch company man in getting "fired" over Justin Roberts' underrated selling ability and sticking around after needing to retire. Don't think they'd screw him just to be doing so. Not out of the realm of the possible, but doesn't seem super likely.
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Old 08-20-2017, 07:17 PM   #43
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I'd totally buy the WWE looking out for his best interests if they didn't ignore all the doctors Bryan found and even, now it's come out, some of their own. Medical opinion on concussions is quite varied -- sports science is wild with doctors who will give you an opinion you want to hear. Maybe Bryan should retire? People probably actually shouldn't do wrestling at all for their health. But the WWE can pay for the opinion they want. If they wanted Bryan cleared, they could get Bryan cleared.
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Old 08-21-2017, 08:56 AM   #44
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I'm still deeply uncomfortable with the idea of Bryan wrestling again. The college football comparison is pretty terrifying given the recent study on former football players' brains. Even if he were to adapt a safer, less hard-hitting style, it still wouldn't eliminate the risk of more concussions - and, frankly, Bryan doesn't strike me as someone who would want to drastically change his style anyway.

I appreciate his passion, I really do. And I understand why he wants to go back to it. If he were on his own I might be tempted to say fuck it, you do you and chase your passions. But with a wife and child I just can't justify that risk at all.
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Old 08-21-2017, 08:57 AM   #45
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THIS is what I'd like to see Bryan do when his contract is up.

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Old 08-21-2017, 09:26 AM   #46
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If someone wants to die int he ring let them. He's an adult he can make his own descisions.
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Old 08-21-2017, 11:06 AM   #47
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He said he's working on a safer style and if any doctor using the regular tests tells him to retire, he will.

One of the the things he mentioned was how he was watching a relatively recent Lawler/Funk match and how they didn't take many bumps, but they put on a great entertaining spectacle with Lawler even throwing a fireball at Funk.

Would be interesting to see what he comes up with if it's more than just removing the suicide dives and top rope headbutts. Other than GFW which wants to be WWE-light anyway, the major indies aren't exactly renowned for their safe styles, quoite the opposite in fact. But Bryan being a "name" would probably give him a lot of leeway with the crowds.
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Old 08-21-2017, 11:13 AM   #48
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Bryan being Bryan would give him leeway. Fans would understand his need to work a safer style, plus he's the #1 darling of all time.
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Old 08-21-2017, 11:23 AM   #49
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He could just go back to working mat classics like he did for over a decade
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Old 08-21-2017, 11:36 AM   #50
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He was still pretty damn physical in said mat classics.
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Old 08-21-2017, 11:48 AM   #51
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He was still pretty damn physical in said mat classics.
meh, less strikes echanges and more chain
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Old 08-21-2017, 01:04 PM   #52
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He could just go back to working mat classics like he did for over a decade
Yeah, he mentioned that and how he didn't bring it to the WWE because he didn't think it would work (and he's probably right), but now thinks ZSJ does it better than he did anyway.
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Old 08-21-2017, 01:09 PM   #53
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Totaly disagree with ZSJ comment but Id like to watch the match...but yeah it would never get over in the fed
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Old 08-21-2017, 01:16 PM   #54
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The one ZSJ match I saw in the CWC was dreadful.
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He really has no concept of selling
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The one ZSJ match I saw in the CWC was dreadful.
He's been a lot better in NJPW, especially as part of a heel stable where he's been really ruthless looking with some of the holds.

Agree with Destor that Bryan did it better though. The way Bryan talked about it sounded like he was impressed with some of the transitions from one hold to the next because he said "When I see that, I think that's so smart, why didn't I think of that?!"
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I really like his work ftr. He's my kind of worker. But if he has to take a heat...it's rough to watch.
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Bryan being Bryan would give him leeway. Fans would understand his need to work a safer style, plus he's the #1 darling of all time.
Yeah, I agree with this. I actually enjoy Bryan more when he's in control of a match anyway. He could do this and it'd be fun and people would get why.
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He really has no concept of selling
Holy shit, I'm glad I'm not the only one. He was making these faces like he was giving birth when he was selling. It was really weird, and frankly, comical. There is a lot of room for improvement. Which is normal and good, don't get me wrong. You should always be trying to get better at something, and potential is a wonderful thing if it is built upon.

The dude is a heel right now. I don't think he can do babyface effectively. His exaggerated facials just lend themselves to that role. Given how scrawny he is, I think his perfect gimmick would be carnival-style wrestler who brings jabronis who clearly aren't up to snuff into the ring and stretches them out.
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