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Old 05-07-2012, 12:10 PM   #441
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Something I thought of, but probably requires too much thinking and best to just not think about at all, is that maybe Hulk could just sense who the enemies were here. Seeing the Avengers battle the alien invasion, and then even Captain America telling him to 'smash' (at least, that was the german translation of what he said), probably made him realise this was his side.

Of course, Hulk has yet to show any kind of reason before that, so this seems illogical why he even went in for that spinning shot to begin with.

Maybe they will dig into this in another Hulk movie?
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:51 PM   #442
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This movies was fucking awesome. I expected it to suck, and I was 100% wrong. Mark Ruffalo = best Hulk ever, Thor is a God, Captian America gained my respect, Hawkeye was cool too, and Iron Man was rad. Great f'n movie, very well directed and written, what a surprise. Gonna be hard to make a better popcorn flick than this for some time.
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Old 05-07-2012, 01:29 PM   #443
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Some Thoughts On Hulk:

- At the end of Incredible Hulk Banner opened his eyes with some ambiguous satisfaction. The talk of the town was whether he made a heel turn or finally had control of it. Banner's payoff line at the end of Avengers, after alluding to some 'secret' for the whole movie, imo finally answered the question IH raised in that last shot. For the most part, he is always in control.

- Hulk busting loose on the Helicarrier was preceded by the big group argument, that heavily hinted that they were all subtly under the influence of Loki's scepter. Look at their eyes and gestures of headaches from a few of them. Also listen to the unease music. The camera angles were also shot with discomfort, particularly during Thor's line about them being petty (and small!). This same kind of psychological mindfuck shot was used when Widow was watching over Hawkeye after is face-turn, and he was describing how it was to be under Loki's control. I figure Hulk going crazy at the base was an extension of that anger, as it was Loki's play all along.

- Hulk does not reason well, but several movies shows that he himself his a hero. The shot in Ang Lee's Hulk where he jumps on a jet to save the bridge. The entire third act of Incredible Hulk, too. When Banner unleashed Hulk at the final battle, he knew who the bad guys were. He did, however, remember his brawl with Thor and he certainly got the last word there.
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Old 05-07-2012, 05:22 PM   #444
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I think it is all about how he changes. On the hellicarrier, he was triggered by what was going around him. His "rage" wasn't focused, so when he Hulked Up, he just went after Black Widow because she was the only one there. Then fought Thor because Thor was getting in his way.

When he changed for the end fight, he was pretty clearly "directing" himself at the bad guys. So he smashed the bad guys, and helped the people who seemed to be helping him. Part of him obviously remembered fighting Thor though.

Same with in Incredible Hulk. When he Hulked up "directing" himself at Abomination, he clearly had more control than when he is set off via other means.
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Old 05-07-2012, 06:46 PM   #445
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Oh yeah, saw the movie BTW. Was pretty incredible.

Had a big grin of awe/enjoyment throughout the entire climax of the film.

The only "fault" I could really give it is the lack of explanation of how Thor got back to Earth.

Was just like "Oh Hey, Thor is here now" and "Odin must have used a lot of power to send you here!"

Minor point though, that I don't really care about because I was too busy being blown away by Awesome.
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Something off topic I noticed during the previews that struck me as odd.

I sort of understand why Battleship is using that wierd screeching moan sound effect that was so prevalent in Transformers, but even the new Spiderman seemed to be using it at points. I especially noticed it in the scene with the tower falling. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but it just really stood out to me.
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Old 05-07-2012, 10:27 PM   #448
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:03 AM   #449
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Liked the movie. Few things. One,I think Thor is terribly boring. CA was too til he was in his enviroment at the end. How can Coulson die if hes already signed on for five more movies? Hawkeye was a lot more awesome than I thought he would be.
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Coulson may appear in flashbacks and such.
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The Coulson that died was a ROBOT, because they needed something to avenge.

Either that or FLASHBACKS. Or maybe a Dream Sequence/Coma Fantasy.
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Or Thanos brings him back to life somehow and then kills him again, and RP spoils it again.
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Fury's gonna have a final chat with a robot, with nobody else there to see the 'show'? Nah, he's dead. Idea's swirling around that he can come back as Vision, but I think that's stupid.
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:39 AM   #454
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I didn't find the movie all that great. It was ok, but you guys are making it out like it was the gretest thing you've ever seen. In comparisson to say the Batman movies, this movie lacks.
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>>> It doesn't wanna be anything like the Batman movies.
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I like this better than the batman movies.
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Its not even close to The Dark Knight

Also I loved Loki. Loved the guy who plays him. He stole the movie.
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"This usually works"

is my favorite non "Hulk Smash" line of the movie
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Kalyx and Lockjaw...

Your thoughts on why Hulk went crazy actually make alot of sense to me. I never thought about it till you mentioned it but that would explain the way things happened.

That was one of my only gripes with the movie but thanks to you its a gripe no more.
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Also, to some degree, Mr. Blue's experiment may have added some extra level of control even though it didn't fully suppress his condition as planned. Though he can still rage out, perhaps we'll see a more heroic Hulk going forward.

As for Mr. Blue, the prequel comic series went ahead and established him as The Leader, and that comic is canon far as I know.
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Fury's gonna have a final chat with a robot, with nobody else there to see the 'show'? Nah, he's dead. Idea's swirling around that he can come back as Vision, but I think that's stupid.
coming back as vision is actually an awesome idea... its a better fit for this universe than having him be a Resurrection of the original human torch
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So this thing apparently cleared more than $200M at the box office in it's opening weekend, shattering the old Harry Potter and The Deathly Hallows, Part 2...amazing.
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Fully expected it to.
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My thoughts on Coulson is not actually proven that he is dead. Just because Fury said he was doesn't mean he really is. Fury is known for hiding things from his team, so Coulson maybe alive. Just my opinion
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I loved every minute of it, and it felt like I was watching an actual comic book.

I thought Captain America was going to get the short end of the stick, but he was awesome you could easily buy him when he was giving orders to everyone.

It's really hard to say who stole the show though, because there were so many great performances.
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So much to love about the execution of this film. The comedy was every bit as good as the action. Some of the lines/exchanges/"beats" were fantastic.


"Hulk. Smash!"


Thor: Listen well, brother -
[Iron Man flies pass them both and snatches Thor]
Loki: [Leans close to where Thor was] I'm listening.


Thor: I care how you speak. Loki is beyond reason, but he is of Asgard. And he is my brother.
Natasha Romanoff: He killed eighty people in two days.
Thor: He's adopted.


Loki: [Hulk and Loki fighting. Everything stops] I am a God! I am not going to be bullied by a...
The Hulk: [Hulk grabs him by the legs and throws him around] Puny God!


Loki: I have an army.
Tony Stark: We have a Hulk.


Security Guard: Are you an alien?
Bruce Banner: What?
Security Guard: From outer space, an alien.
Bruce Banner: No.
Security Guard: Well then son, you've got a condition.


Thor: We on Asgard pretend that we are more advanced, but we, we come here battling like Bilchsteim.
Agent Phil Coulson: Like what?
Thor: The Bilchsteim, you know; huge, scaly, big antlers. You don't have those?
Agent Phil Coulson: Don't think so.
Thor: They are repulsive, and they trample everything in their path.


Natasha Romanoff: [watching the aliens come toward them] This is just like Budapest all over again.
Clint Barton: You and I remember Budapest very differently.


And more.

Also, the long take during the battle where you saw each hero fighting is now one of my most favourite shots ever.
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The Avengers gets a sequel.
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The sequel will quicker than the last buildup. We just have Cap 2, Thor 2, and Iron Man 3 in between. Loving this.
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Unless they announce another movie that will come before it.
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I think a problem with the Captain America suit is that's too blue. It looks kind of like a sky blue, but should be more like a darker blue.

I still liked the suit though.

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I would actually put the wings on the Helmet or I would leave off the wings entirely. I don't like how they are painted on.
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Unless they announce another movie that will come before it.
True. Could be Ant-Man or Strange.
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apparently theyre doing a black widow solo
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I don't see that. A short for a DVD, yeah. And David Hayter better write it.
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Apparently, marvel has aleready reserved the date of May 16, 2014. People are speculating that it's for Avengers 2.

I wonder if Thanos will be the actual villain for it, or they'll just have him somewhat involved. i say that because where the fuck do you go from after Thanos? He is baddest, meanest, most dangerous threat in all the marvel universe. He's taken over all reality, several times. Not even Galactus or the abstract entities have been able to stop this guy.

Feel like it might be better if he is still in the role of "puppet master" in the second film, though still taking more action than he did in the first. Then in the 3rd movie we get the direct, cataclysmic battle.

Saying that much, I would definitely have Ultron be the next main villain. Maybe even have Thanos somehow influence the rise of Ultron's sentience.

Who would you guys like to see as villains in the solo films?

For Thor, they could go the route of Odin dying, and Thor and friends having to fight Hela to get him back. Maybe have Enchantress, or Ulik as a secondary.

Cap, I think the only way to go is to bring Red Skull into the modern age, but add the twist of the winter soldier being under his command. My one beef with the first film was that the battle between Cap and the skull didn't seem as personal as some of the other marvel flicks. They were just fighting on opposite sides of a war. I think now that they've had their first epic clash, and bringing bucky back in as skull's puppet, we would see some real chemistry between cap and skull.

Iron man is a bit trickier, since as I've said, his rogues gallery is kind of a steaming pile of poo. Ben Kingsley is already a part of it apparently. Despite marvel saying he won't be the mandarin, I think they're lying, as he seems very good for the role. Mandarin uses 10 alien rings in the comics, so maybe in this, he can use 10 rings made from the skrull tech left on earth after their failed invasion.

Dunno, this movie got me so amped, that this stuff just goes in and out my head all day.
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Also, to those saying this isn't even close to the batman films, I think it is a bit unfair to compare the two. Yes, they are both superhero flicks, but they are two very differnt kinds of movies.

Dark Knight is the perfect dark, gritty, realistic supero movie, while Avengers is the perfect colorful, explosive, as-far-from-reality-as-you-can-get, super hero movie.

They both are the be all and end all of their kind, and which is better comes down to personal preference.

For me, I grew up with X-men and Avengers, and seeing giant battles unfolding accross massive cityscapes. People and things beyond your wildest imagination waging epic clashes. That is what The Avengers is. It takes the scale of the battles right from the page, and the spectacle alone, is enough to put it over The Dark Knight, for me.
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