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Old 01-10-2017, 01:17 PM   #41
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Old 01-10-2017, 02:17 PM   #42
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Old 01-10-2017, 02:19 PM   #43
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norman smiley is NOT Tony Romo. Let's not get ridiculous here.
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Old 01-10-2017, 02:27 PM   #44
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I wish I had something profound to say, but I assumed it was just part of the evolution of his character to Babyface.

But I could try to find out.

We did just use this thread as a general education thread. If people want to sit under my tree of knowledge on various subjects. Would probably end up being a very highly rated thread.
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Old 01-10-2017, 02:33 PM   #45
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Much maligned CyNick Opinions thread #2.

Pretty good B Show material. You keep up the good work CyNick, you're hitting B+ show material. Nothing more though, you just don't have the long term potential of an A show.
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Old 01-10-2017, 02:35 PM   #46
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What are your thoughts on Vince McMahon's involvements in the Jimmy Snuka murder cold case that has now been dismissed due to Snuka's mental state?
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Old 01-10-2017, 03:35 PM   #47
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Was the HHH vs Seth angle hot-shotted too early?
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Old 01-10-2017, 04:16 PM   #48
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Old 01-10-2017, 07:15 PM   #49
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Much maligned CyNick Opinions thread #2.

Pretty good B Show material. You keep up the good work CyNick, you're hitting B+ show material. Nothing more though, you just don't have the long term potential of an A show.
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What are your thoughts on Vince McMahon's involvements in the Jimmy Snuka murder cold case that has now been dismissed due to Snuka's mental state?
Vince beats the Federal Government a second time. His legend grows.

My understanding is Snuka was cleared of any wrongdoing, thats good enough for me.
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Old 01-10-2017, 07:19 PM   #51
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Was the HHH vs Seth angle hot-shotted too early?
The perfect time would have been at Mania 32 where it looked like things were headed. Unfortunately the talent got hurt, so WWE had to scramble and ended creating a really fun angle between HHH and Reigns instead.

IMO the Rollins thing has come off forced right now, but I guess they figure, they want Rollins to get the rub from working with Hunter on the main stage. Plus, it brings The Shield relationship full circle. Rollins dumped The Shield to go with Hunter, now they will stand brothers in arms once again against Hunter and The Authority. Both Reigns and Rollins are minted main eventers, thanks in large part to Hunter. Very good story telling IMO.
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Old 01-10-2017, 07:38 PM   #52
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The perfect time would have been at Mania 32 where it looked like things were headed. Unfortunately the talent got hurt, so WWE had to scramble and ended creating a really fun angle between HHH and Reigns instead.

IMO the Rollins thing has come off forced right now, but I guess they figure, they want Rollins to get the rub from working with Hunter on the main stage. Plus, it brings The Shield relationship full circle. Rollins dumped The Shield to go with Hunter, now they will stand brothers in arms once again against Hunter and The Authority. Both Reigns and Rollins are minted main eventers, thanks in large part to Hunter. Very good story telling IMO.
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Old 01-10-2017, 07:46 PM   #53
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Vince beats the Federal Government a second time. His legend grows.

My understanding is Snuka was cleared of any wrongdoing, thats good enough for me.
nope. Couldn't be tried because he wasn't in mental condition to be tried.
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Old 01-10-2017, 07:57 PM   #55
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Old 01-10-2017, 08:18 PM   #56
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Vince beats the Federal Government a second time. His legend grows.

My understanding is Snuka was cleared of any wrongdoing, thats good enough for me.
Wrong again, you dumb fuck. Snuka was deemed mentally incompetent to stand trial. Vince wasn't even involved as a party in this trial. Swing and a miss.

You truly are as uninformed and stupid as you come across.
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Old 01-11-2017, 12:01 AM   #58
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Vince was on site at the police station the day it went down. He could/would have probably been called as a witness.
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Vince was on site at the police station the day it went down. He could/would have probably been called as a witness.
Yes, but he's not a party to the trial because he's not a defendant or plaintiff (i.e., the prosecutor in this criminal case). Being a witness is not the same as being a party, but a party can obviously also be a witness.
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The perfect time would have been at Mania 32 where it looked like things were headed. Unfortunately the talent got hurt, so WWE had to scramble and ended creating a really fun angle between HHH and Reigns instead.

IMO the Rollins thing has come off forced right now, but I guess they figure, they want Rollins to get the rub from working with Hunter on the main stage. Plus, it brings The Shield relationship full circle. Rollins dumped The Shield to go with Hunter, now they will stand brothers in arms once again against Hunter and The Authority. Both Reigns and Rollins are minted main eventers, thanks in large part to Hunter. Very good story telling IMO.
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Wrong again, you dumb fuck. Snuka was deemed mentally incompetent to stand trial. Vince wasn't even involved as a party in this trial. Swing and a miss.

You truly are as uninformed and stupid as you come across.
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:24 PM   #63
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The overall story has played out well, even given the hardships WWE had to deal with.

I just think they have done this start and stop thing with Rollins and Hunter, which has hurt a little, but like I said, all of it was because of injuries.
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:45 PM   #64
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What rub is HHH possibly giving when he has not wrestled in a long time. It's not like he's red hot and dominating. He would basically becoming to wrestlemania, taking his suit off and taking a pin. That's not a huge rub at all. If he was coming in after beating i dunno, Jericho in a program or someone along those lines, then maybe i can get it, but him just taking a suit off and wrestling at WrestleMania is not a rub for anyone.
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They want for Triple H to be in a match to be like the Undertaker. It failed against Roman Reigns but people like Seth. It could work.

Daniel Bryan WORKED.
Sting WORKED? It was a called fun and a very talked about match.
Roman Reigns FAILED.
Seth Rollins ????
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Nicky, do you think Vince could successfully release his own brand of viagra. Maybe not exactly viagra but perhaps his own brand. Maybe call it "genetic Jackhammer"? THink it'd be successful?
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Old 01-12-2017, 06:41 PM   #67
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They want for Triple H to be in a match to be like the Undertaker. It failed against Roman Reigns but people like Seth. It could work.

Daniel Bryan WORKED.
Sting WORKED? It was a called fun and a very talked about match.
Roman Reigns FAILED.
Seth Rollins ????
Curious. By what measure do you think Reigns v HHH failed? It was the most watched Mania of all time.
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Old 01-12-2017, 06:42 PM   #68
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Sting and Bryan were already over. They didn't need Triple H to elevate their status. The Bryan match made tyre most sense.

The Rollins one is gonna be forced as fuck. Yes they were teasing tension prior to Rollins injury but the turn on Rollins came outta nowhere and was then dropped for months.

I feel like Rollins should be getting a coronation this Mania as he has a better story to build up but apparently that ain't gonna be the case
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Old 01-12-2017, 06:48 PM   #69
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Curious. By what measure do you think Reigns v HHH failed? It was the most watched Mania of all time.
Probably because as a face Reigns has failed to connect. Now I'm sure you'll cite garnering the biggest reactions as a success, but they clearly do not want him to be booed. They've tried their damndest, at least before Mania, to get him over as a face for 2 years. They've had him plow they every viable heel, other than Lesnar, that they could have and he's still being rejected despite them still presenting him as the top babyface.

That's probably why, and its a fair point. Cena was not rejected this way. Not at first. His first few years as the groomed babyface went over well. Wasn't until sometime on the backend of 05 that it started to turn on him. Roman has been rejected since day one.

Mania sells itself. The fact that a roster as depleted as it was for last year still became the most watched Mania just sells that point. Who main events isn't as important as it used to be, and that's a credit to Vince building his brand recognition to essentially sell itself.

I think people may also think Reigns has failed due his character not progressing. I haven't watched since his mania win, but has his character changed in any way? Based on what I've read he's still being pushed as a mega face going over heel talent left and right, and is still the main event.
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Triple H could actually be more over if he stepped out of active competition. People eat the NXT shtick up. The character should have died after Daniel Bryan beat him.
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NXT Babyface Triple H vs. Out of Line Heel Samoa Joe would be a great program.
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Some people don't get that the Hunter in WWE is a character. The guy who kicks off NXT and tweets with the NXT talent when they achieved something is more or less Paul.

The same people who don't get that are the same people who can't comprehend why Stephanie acts like a bitch in character and at the same timeis widely recognized as a sweet person in real life, such as tweeting about speaking at conferences to empower young women, helping out sick kids, and working out at midnight to promote healthy living.
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I don't think anyone is confused at all.
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Curious. By what measure do you think Reigns v HHH failed? It was the most watched Mania of all time.
We didn't go to see that match and everybody booed every time Reigns did a move. They had to turn up his music to bullshit levels to have us be drowned out.

FAIL.

It was also the WM with the least amount of people watching when Ryback and Kalisto fought for the us strap.
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Probably because as a face Reigns has failed to connect. Now I'm sure you'll cite garnering the biggest reactions as a success, but they clearly do not want him to be booed. They've tried their damndest, at least before Mania, to get him over as a face for 2 years. They've had him plow they every viable heel, other than Lesnar, that they could have and he's still being rejected despite them still presenting him as the top babyface.

That's probably why, and its a fair point. Cena was not rejected this way. Not at first. His first few years as the groomed babyface went over well. Wasn't until sometime on the backend of 05 that it started to turn on him. Roman has been rejected since day one.

Mania sells itself. The fact that a roster as depleted as it was for last year still became the most watched Mania just sells that point. Who main events isn't as important as it used to be, and that's a credit to Vince building his brand recognition to essentially sell itself.

I think people may also think Reigns has failed due his character not progressing. I haven't watched since his mania win, but has his character changed in any way? Based on what I've read he's still being pushed as a mega face going over heel talent left and right, and is still the main event.
You say clearly they want him to be cheered. How do you know that? Would you be shocked to hear that internally they are more than happy with Roman's reactions? Do you think John Cena cares that 15% of the audience boos him? He sells merch, he makes bank, he's happy. Why wouldn't you copy that formula with Roman?
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We didn't go to see that match and everybody booed every time Reigns did a move. They had to turn up his music to bullshit levels to have us be drowned out.

FAIL.

It was also the WM with the least amount of people watching when Ryback and Kalisto fought for the us strap.
What are you on about with Kalisto and Ryback? How is this related to Roman?

You were at the audio table to know how loud the music was? Watch RAW any week, tell me who gets a bigger reaction than Reigns?
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You say clearly they want him to be cheered. How do you know that? Would you be shocked to hear that internally they are more than happy with Roman's reactions? Do you think John Cena cares that 15% of the audience boos him? He sells merch, he makes bank, he's happy. Why wouldn't you copy that formula with Roman?
Why have a superman like character go so dominant over heels if the goal is to have a reaction be something other than a boo? It would be different if Reigns was feuding with clear cut babyfaces and beating them but kept cutting face promos and working from underneath, like a face. He wasn't doing that last I saw, and gave no response if his character direction has changed. Based on show results and people commentating here, it appears nothing has changed with how they're handling him.

Of course they didn't care if Cena was getting negative reactions, he was moving merchandise hand over fist. Is Reigns moving that significant amount of goods? Do you have reports or numbers to suggest he is? Because unless he is, you cannot compare him to Cena, who was moving merchandise well before he became the man.

15% of the audience, last I watched and based on what people say when asked here and others I know that still watch, is not the amount of audience he's being booed by. Going into to Mania 31 and every Raw and network ppv I watched thru Mania 32 had him getting booed without mercy by the majority of the arena.

Last but not least, Reigns is not Cena. And he's not even close. Reigns was protected and to a great extent hidden in the SHEILD why he developed. Cena was and has always been a singles competitor only. He's miles ahead of Roman as a talker, has far more natural charisma and is better now and was better in his early days around 2003 as a worker than Roman is now.

Granted, Cena was actually given time to develop. He got to find his own footing on the B show and once they gave him room to breath he took off. Roman has not been given that chance. But I personally don't think it matters. At the same stage in their careers, Cena was the superior talent and still think he's the superior talent now.

I think they've tried to manufacture Roman's stardom and its not going over well. He's over in a sense that fans love too boo the shit out of him even though he's presented as an unstoppable super hero.
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What are you on about with Kalisto and Ryback? How is this related to Roman?

You were at the audio table to know how loud the music was? Watch RAW any week, tell me who gets a bigger reaction than Reigns?
Nobody is arguing the level of reaction he gets. The question is this the reaction they are shooting for. Consider how they book him my opinion would be no.
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Nobody is arguing the level of reaction he gets. The question is this the reaction they are shooting for. Consider how they book him my opinion would be no.
They book Cena the same way as they know he will get booed, and booed more heavily in certain towns.

The funny thing is in the town's he gets the most boos, he sells the most merch. Roman likely isn't at Cena's level for merch, but he's probably next on the list. If Roman's merch money stars going with, then the WWE may think it's time to turn him heel.
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