12-10-2015, 11:07 AM | #481 |
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First, Im not claiming to be an insider. We all understand that, right? I'm just a regular guy.
Second, I never said I thought that was set in stone, I just predicted based on how I saw Cesaro being positioned on TV that he was going to get a push, and I thought overcoming Big Show would be a start. Cesaro also got hurt and Show is off TV. So kinda tough to run that angle. |
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12-10-2015, 11:55 AM | #484 |
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Well that other guys first hand account doesn't agree with CyNick so he's wrong.
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I tend to find the guy with the photographic support to be more credible and put more weight behind his first hand observations as he has photographic evidence to support it. That's the problem. We don't care that you enjoy the current product. Have fun. Enjoy away. It's your marginalization that those of us that aren't enjoying and are critical of the quality of the product, that we are some small, insignificant portion of the viewing audience so our opinions and the facts we back them up with (like lower ratings and live attendance figures) aren't credible or relevant. Last edited by BigCrippyZ; 12-10-2015 at 01:14 PM. |
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12-10-2015, 01:03 PM | #486 |
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CyNick never cited from which dirt sheet he got the report of the fan who said the pop for reigns is great.
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12-10-2015, 01:25 PM | #488 | |
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12-10-2015, 01:27 PM | #489 |
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So your citing a source notorious for taking reports from Meltzer's site and rewriting them as their own? Brilliant.
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12-10-2015, 01:33 PM | #490 | |
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I watched RAW, I heard the crowd pop for Reigns' promo. I heard multiple tater tot chants, which tells me the fans were with him. That was confirmed by the dude who provided the live report. That said, I also saw the photo of a few fans leaving. So clearly some fans didnt care for the final segment. But we already knew a segment of the fanbase is determined to reject Reigns as a headliner. Just like those same fans who show up to every arena to chant Cena Sucks. Devil is in the detail. You said "very few people were left in the arena". For that to be true if they had say 8000 in the building to open the show, i would say you need to have at least 3/4 of the fans to leave. I don't think that one image of one part of one section tells that story. The problem is you guys who think the product sucks refuse to look at the aspects of the business that are doing well. Ratings are important, but if RAWs audience is declining at a slower rate than the rest of the prime time shows on USA its likely a by product of changing behaviour vs definite decline in intetest. Especially when you look at their numbers on social media and VOD, which are through the roof. |
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12-10-2015, 01:35 PM | #491 |
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Can you not read? It was a FAN sending in a report. Dave's site does the same thing. I'm not working off an oped piece written by the editor of tpww.
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12-10-2015, 01:39 PM | #492 |
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I think it's a common misconception that WWE makes any direct money from the advertisers on RAW and Smackdown. Not to be confused with WWE's direct sponsors, the advertisers pay NBC Universal/USA Network to run the commercials. In turn, WWE is paid a television rights fee based on a negotiated contract out of the advertising revenues that are paid to NBC Universal.
It is true that on a week to week or even quarter to quarter basis, WWE doesn’t get any more or any less money from advertisers on Raw when viewership goes up and down. It would be better for them if they did, because then they might be more responsive and open to change rather than stubborn and could potentially have incredibly successful weeks/quarters versus average weeks/quarters. As of the last quarterly financials WWE released, TV rights fees equal 40 percent of WWE revenue, Network subs total 25 percent, and house show tickets sales and venue merchandise sales equals 18 percent of revenue. So low ratings means WWE is going to have to brace for a huge drop in TV rights fees next time they negotiate a contract, and in the mean time, fewer people are being reached as potential Network and house show customers. WWE right now is like an athlete being lazy the year after they sign a big contract. However, eventually that contract ends, and if they only perform well in their the last year of their contract, people are going to notice that and pay less than they would otherwise, expecting that athlete to be lazy again once they sign the new deal and feel fat, happy and comfortable again. |
12-10-2015, 01:40 PM | #493 | |
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Again, this whole thing is comical in that it was just an idea I presented as a possibility to give Cesaro something to do. I never once said I heard it would happen. Hell I've never ever claimed I have any inside info on anything. But now that it didn't happen you're using it as some type of slam against me. Comical really. |
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12-10-2015, 01:51 PM | #494 | |
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You're so off base in your thinking that is not even funny. WWE had double or triple the ratings in the Attitude Era, but monetarily they didn't maximize TV rights fees because advertisers wanted no part of the show. Today, even though ratings are far lower, they are doing better financially in large part because WWE has reinvented itself as a respobsible corporate citizen. Now you have a lineup of advertisers looking to buy airtime from USA. That wasnt even happening 3 years ago. USA recently came out and responded to the declining ratings by touting how successful WWE is for them. Further, as I've explained many many times, if ratings across the board on down, advertisers will still pay top dollar for the shows that draw the most of the right type of viewer. RAW week in week out is a top 3 viewed show on Monday. Therefore advertisers will still pay top dollar. |
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12-10-2015, 01:58 PM | #495 |
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Pretty sure you made claims like that Cesaro/Big Show feud was "obvious" or whatever. But I'm too lazy to look for it and don't really care.
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If you think Meltzer is some hack why are you citing an even less credible wrestling website known for ripping off the work of others? I thought you only go to the source for facts? Is the main page now a legitimate source? |
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12-10-2015, 02:15 PM | #498 |
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He still didn't even cite it he just said "www.tpww.net"
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12-10-2015, 02:17 PM | #499 |
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Wish I could have done that for school reports
Citations: "New York Times" "Fox News" |
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Regardless of whether or not ratings across the board are down in the future, if WWE's ratings are consistently down compared to where they were when they negotiated the current deal last year, even if they're attracting the same "quality" advertisers in the future that they are today, WWE's rights fees are more likely to decline as well. Sure everyone's rights fees might be down too because the lack of viewers over all and WWE may still be getting top dollar. When WWE makes 40% of their revenues from television rights though, and those rights fees are due to audience size and ratings, any drop or potential drop in that revenue or audience/ratings size is a huge risk. Not only to their financial bottom line but also to their ability market their other products, i.e., Network subs, merch, live events, etc. For example, according to WWE, RAW DVR viewership has stayed stagnant at only an additional 10-12% of the live audience size. |
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Wish I could do that now for citing legal authority. 1. Smith v. Jones 2. A Tennessee case 3. A Tennessee statute It would be so much easier but unfortunately, I don't think I'd be very successful. Smith v. Jones, there's only been about a million of those. |
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12-10-2015, 02:51 PM | #502 |
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I did think it was clear they were setting something up for down the line. Does that hurt me because it didn't happen?
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12-10-2015, 02:52 PM | #503 | |
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I forget the stat off the top of my head, but I believe they have one of the most popular You Tube channels in the world. That's through the roof success. |
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12-10-2015, 02:59 PM | #504 | |
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When tpww or f4w or any newz site posts Smackdown spoilers, do you believe them to be true? It's done in the same manner. A random person sends in results and the newz site posts it. So based on that, yes I believe it was a legit report. Now that said, pops can be different in one part of an arena vs another. I've been at shows where someone has written in and said something about a certain reaction and thought that's not what I heard. But remember, I'm also connecting Reigns reported reactions to what I heard with my own ears in TV. For the record, I never saw any fans leaving on TV, but I still believe that the picture that was circulated is accurate in that a handful of people left their seats before the end of the show. |
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You are bringing up ratings not me.
Their Youtube channel is in the top 100 but their youtube channel plays videos from every wrestling era, not just todays. |
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On top of that WWE is better positioned in terms of presenting a clean product which gives them a larger base of interested advertisers which will mean USA can be more profitable. On top of that, even since the last TV deal that was struck, cable viewers are declining across the board. So having a property that draws 3 million viewers a week is even harder to come by. Lots of cable outlets would love to have 5 hours of programming per week at anywhere close to 3 million viewers. Again, that means more interest, which will drive up rights fees through a bidding war. No doubt WWE wants their product exposed to as many eyeballs as possible to sell The Network, merch, and tickets to live events. But more and more those eyeballs are not all on cable. |
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12-10-2015, 03:50 PM | #511 |
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So what makes the reports on Tpww more reliable than what is given and then reported by Meltzer? Do you believe the fan that posted people leaving and being dead for the main event? If not then why do you believe the other account?
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12-10-2015, 04:41 PM | #512 | ||
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Seriously, what's your plan with that response? To just keep moving the goalpost of when that hot feud is gonna pick up so that you can always use the age old "I can never be proven wrong because technically as long as the two of them are alive, it could still happen." out so that you can save face? Not gonna work. Sorry. You were wrong. As usual. |
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So I'm not wrong yet. Well sorry, I was wrong about the timing. In retrospect Survivor Series was probably too early to do it. TLC would have made more sense. But Cesaro is hurt, so we'll never know. |
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12-10-2015, 11:40 PM | #514 |
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So my point about you moving the goalpost so you can never be "proven" wrong but can always someday maybe be "proven" right because it's technically always possible still stands.
If they don't go with a legit Cesaro vs Big Show feud when Cesaro gets back, will you admit you were wrong? Of course not. Because it could happen next month. If it doesn't happen the next month, will you admit you were wrong? Of course not. Because it could happen the next. If it finally happens in 3 years will you claim victory and pretend this feud was directly related to the forgettable Cesaro squash from a random episode of Raw years back and WWE had some amazing foresight in booking that squash so that they could continue the story years later and they were just letting that memory simmer as long as possible? Of course. Because... derp. |
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Show Net Time Viewers (000s) 18-49 rating
MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL ESPN 8:15 PM 14151 4.8 SPORTSCENTER: L ESPN 11:48 PM 4271 1.8 LOVE & HIP HOP HLLYWD 2 VH1 8:00 PM 2522 1.3 STREET OUTLAWS DISC 9:00 PM 2960 1.3 WWE ENTERTAINMENT USA 8:00 PM 3270 1.1 FAMILY GUY ADSM 11:30 PM 1916 1.0 WWE ENTERTAINMENT USA 10:00 PM 2850 1.0 WWE ENTERTAINMENT USA 9:00 PM 3042 1.0 WWE beat everybody except Football. (SportsCenter=MNF overrun so it's the same show) The only thing close was 9pm 3042 to 2960. They are always number two which is why USA isn't sweating it. |
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12-11-2015, 11:19 AM | #517 |
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I never said I believed one over the other.
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Including WWE ENTERTAINMENT USA
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