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Old 12-11-2015, 12:40 PM   #521
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It proved that that smug, "Terrible booking, amirite", "You guys just don't get it" shit while everyone was telling you "WWE is shit at developing characters and that's not going to happen" was laughable. You can pretend it was a simple prediction all you want but the quote and context is still there. People were saying "This shit is pointless and helps no one get over" and that explanation of where they were going was your way of "setting everyone straight" about how WWE's booking isn't incompetent and they had some long-term plans.

And I do have a bit of an "obsession". It's with calling out silly shit when someone says it. It just so happens you've been pumping it out WAY more than anyone else these days. So I call it out, you ignore it half the time because you feel backed into a corner with no way to defend your precious beliefs on WWE's high-quality booking and I keep throwing it in your face anyway. Because it's funny to watch Mr. cocksure "I'm spot on 99.9% of the time. You guys have no argument. I win another round." run and hide when he can't defend something for everyone to see.
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Old 12-11-2015, 06:59 PM   #522
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I just kinda threw my hands up after his New Day comments.
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Old 12-11-2015, 08:10 PM   #523
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It proved that that smug, "Terrible booking, amirite", "You guys just don't get it" shit while everyone was telling you "WWE is shit at developing characters and that's not going to happen" was laughable. You can pretend it was a simple prediction all you want but the quote and context is still there. People were saying "This shit is pointless and helps no one get over" and that explanation of where they were going was your way of "setting everyone straight" about how WWE's booking isn't incompetent and they had some long-term plans.

And I do have a bit of an "obsession". It's with calling out silly shit when someone says it. It just so happens you've been pumping it out WAY more than anyone else these days. So I call it out, you ignore it half the time because you feel backed into a corner with no way to defend your precious beliefs on WWE's high-quality booking and I keep throwing it in your face anyway. Because it's funny to watch Mr. cocksure "I'm spot on 99.9% of the time. You guys have no argument. I win another round." run and hide when he can't defend something for everyone to see.
So you think because I incorrectly predicted a feud that means WWE cant create stars?

Let's see if I can break things down for you.

WWE can and has created stars for every 50 years. They continue to do it today. The Shield are all big stars, New Day are becoming huge, etc etc.

Cesaro lost to Big Show for the sake of building up a Big Show-Lesnar program, which was logical at the time. My claim was based on how the Cesaro-Show matches were laid out, I felt like they were purposely making Cesaro look strong for the body of the match to tell a longer term story. Cesaro was having trouble beating Big Show, but down the line, he puts everything together and he starts to beat him. I believed that to be the case because normally if WWE was just trying to heat up Big Show, and didnt care about the opponent, Show would have just killed Cesaro. But he didnt.

We'll never know if that was in the cards because both guys are currently off TV. Further, Cesaro was tied up in the title tournament, which wasn't planned for. So again, you dont know what was in the plans before Seth got hurt. But the point I was trying to make was WWE takes a long term approach to many of the talent. How do I know this as fact? Because I heard Triple H say those exact words in a podcast. I also know from watching TV after the Cesaro-Show matches that the commentators were putting him over, they were focusing in on the Cesaro Section signs in the crowd, and Cesaro was winning matches or coming within an eyelash of beating Roman Reigns - the guy being groomed to be the top guy.

So maybe Big Show vs Cesaro didn't take place at Survivor Series like I predicted it would. But I still fail to see how that disproves any of my point about the over arching issue of Cesaro's booking. But hey, if you feel like you just hit a grand slam by holding my feet to the fire on that prediction, cool man, cool.
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Old 12-11-2015, 08:29 PM   #524
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Jeeeesus you really have reading comprehension problems. Read what I said and then read that very first line of your response over and over again til something clicks. Seriously.

This is that "Do you really think Sandow is a main event player!?" response to people saying Sandown should have been more and that "LOL What's wrong with someone losing to the top face of the company?" response to people saying constantly jobbing Rollins to Cena was retarded all over again. I don't know if it's an actual mental issue you have or if this is one of your "tactics" when bullshitting your way through a discussion isn't working.
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Old 12-11-2015, 09:36 PM   #525
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Old 12-11-2015, 09:36 PM   #526
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#1-wwf-fan is absolutely spanking CyNick. This is more humiliating than NormalSmiley's defeat.
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Old 12-12-2015, 04:30 PM   #528
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LOL

"Hey guys, my Dad is the strongest man in the Universe, he can lift ANYTHING"

Almost as credible as you saying that.
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Old 12-12-2015, 04:38 PM   #529
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Jeeeesus you really have reading comprehension problems. Read what I said and then read that very first line of your response over and over again til something clicks. Seriously.

This is that "Do you really think Sandow is a main event player!?" response to people saying Sandown should have been more and that "LOL What's wrong with someone losing to the top face of the company?" response to people saying constantly jobbing Rollins to Cena was retarded all over again. I don't know if it's an actual mental issue you have or if this is one of your "tactics" when bullshitting your way through a discussion isn't working.
jokes.

You just went back and sifted through old posts and tried to make connections that just aren't there. You take everything I say as though I'm saying this is the word of God and I have claimed to predict the future. I just said I thought the booking was heading in a certain direction. We'll never know if it was or it wasnt. EVEN IF IT WASNT, it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not WWE books in the right way or wrong way. You think Ceasro shouldn't have lost to Big Show. I think it made perfect sense given the bigger picture. You think Cesaro is floundering in no man's land, I think he is/was on the verge of a big push. We'll see what happens when he gets back. Unfortunately for you I will have forgotten what you said on the matter because I dont obsess about your posts like you do mine. Maybe Noid will remember it, and give you a big hug to make you feel better.
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Old 12-12-2015, 04:42 PM   #530
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Ratings news. Smackdown was up this week.

What does it all mean? A turnaround?
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Old 12-12-2015, 05:59 PM   #531
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If I were you I would definitely try to forget all my posts as soon as possible and hope no one else remembers them, too.

Try to throw a self-fatisfied "this is what's gonna happen, you guys just don't get it. TERRIBLE BOOKING THAT'S GONNA COME FROM THIS AMIRITE" and then when someone brings it up to call you out on your smug reasoning for how the future will prove all the Meltzer sheep wrong NOT actually happening, you go the "You're just obsessed with me" route.

Beautiful.

This long transition from actually trying to bullshit to strawmanning to just flat out ignoring the more damning things that stand in your way of believing what you want to believe to now playing a stalker victim to try to avoid getting called out on shit has been a pleasure to watch.
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Ratings news. Smackdown was up this week.

What does it all mean? A turnaround?
"It's been a little colder this year than it was last year.

GLOBAL WARMING IS A MYTH!"
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Old 12-12-2015, 06:03 PM   #533
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#1-wwf-fan is absolutely spanking CyNick. This is more humiliating than NormalSmiley's defeat.
Well just as long as he doesn't start running down my country, black people or women, we may be able to keep this spanking from getting physical.
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Old 12-12-2015, 08:22 PM   #534
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LOL

"Hey guys, my Dad is the strongest man in the Universe, he can lift ANYTHING"

Almost as credible as you saying that.
Hey, if Noid told me his father was Mark "Somebody's gon' get dey ass kickt" Henry, I'd believe him.
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I just said I thought the booking was heading in a certain direction. We'll never know if it was or it wasnt. EVEN IF IT WASNT, it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not WWE books in the right way or wrong way. You think Ceasro shouldn't have lost to Big Show. I think it made perfect sense given the bigger picture. You think Cesaro is floundering in no man's land, I think he is/was on the verge of a big push.
That sound you're all hearing is everything going right over CyNick's head again and again.

It has everything to do with whether WWE books in the right way. That's the whole point that you clearly aren't getting.

It's not that Cesaro was or wasn't on the verge of a big push or is floundering in no man's land. The point is even if Cesaro is or was in line for a big push, WWE doesn't properly book Cesaro (or anyone else for that matter) even when they're clearly behind/pushing guys.

As a result, almost everyone is floundering in no man's land. Cesaro, Rollins, Reigns, etc. are all perfect examples of WWE's inability to effectively write/book someone and get/keep them over, even the talent they're currently pushing.

Not to mention WWE's inability to notice/care when someone is already over/getting over and continue to keep their momentum going or at least avoid killing their momentum through horrible writing/booking. See Bray Wyatt, Ziggler, Ambrose, Cesaro, etc.
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Old 12-13-2015, 01:27 AM   #536
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That sound you're all hearing is everything going right over CyNick's head again and again.
I was wondering why it felt so drafty in this thread.
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Especially when you look at their numbers on social media and VOD, which are through the roof.
Also we find out later that cynick didnt even look at their numbers
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Wrestling is highly predictable. Would you contimue to watch a TV drama where you could pretty much guarantee what was going to happen each episode?
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If it was well done, yes. The journey can be as fun as the destination.

WWE is just like traveling in dog shit right up the dogs arse right now though.
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I knew the Arrow was going to beat Deathstroke in season 2 but I still watched it.
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Well look at that. Seems like Meltzer got another thing right. Since it didn't come from HHH or Vince though, it must not be happening. I'm sure CyNick will just claim that Meltzer got lucky and since Meltzer didn't know exactly who the new announcer for SD was going to be, it's not real news.

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Well look at that. Seems like Meltzer got another thing right. Since it didn't come from HHH or Vince though, it must not be happening. I'm sure CyNick will just claim that Meltzer got lucky and since Meltzer didn't know exactly who the new announcer for SD was going to be, it's not real news.
You clearly missed my point on this.

Dave's report said "there appears to be at least one major change...". He goes on to claim it does not involve bigger talent appearing, so he concludes it is EITHER commentator OR set related. To me that's either horrific reporting because it's so vague (essentially a guess) or it shows his sources are pathetic. If it was a real source in the know (say Michael Cole), he would know that it was a new commentator and would be able to confidently report that (even if he didn't want to release the name).

I predict Wrestlemania will feature several wrestling matches, some of which will be championship matches. I also predict they will use a lot of elaborate entrances for the show.

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Its possible I read it somewhere else.

I would say its a moot point as clearly Reigns is over. Didn't see anyone leaving on Monday.
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That sound you're all hearing is everything going right over CyNick's head again and again.

It has everything to do with whether WWE books in the right way. That's the whole point that you clearly aren't getting.

It's not that Cesaro was or wasn't on the verge of a big push or is floundering in no man's land. The point is even if Cesaro is or was in line for a big push, WWE doesn't properly book Cesaro (or anyone else for that matter) even when they're clearly behind/pushing guys.

As a result, almost everyone is floundering in no man's land. Cesaro, Rollins, Reigns, etc. are all perfect examples of WWE's inability to effectively write/book someone and get/keep them over, even the talent they're currently pushing.

Not to mention WWE's inability to notice/care when someone is already over/getting over and continue to keep their momentum going or at least avoid killing their momentum through horrible writing/booking. See Bray Wyatt, Ziggler, Ambrose, Cesaro, etc.
Cesaro has not yet been pushed to main event level. As proven with Reigns, and Bryan before that, when WWE wants to get a guy to that level they can and will.
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As proven with Reigns, and Bryan before that, when WWE wants to get a guy to that level they can and will.
... Alright, this does come off as pretty troll-y. lol
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Cesaro has not yet been pushed to main event level. As proven with Reigns, and Bryan before that, when WWE wants to get a guy to that level they can and will.
There's that sound again.

That's not the point.

Why would you repeatedly try to push Upcoming Superstar A (i.e., Reigns) in the same way, month after month, when it's clearly not working? At least it seems they FINALLY tried a different route with Reigns on Sunday and Monday.

In addition, when Upcoming Superstar B (i.e., Ziggler, Cesaro, Dean. Fucking. Ambrose., etc.) is already over/getting over naturally on their own, why not let them continue to do their own thing and try pushing Upcoming Superstar B instead of killing Upcoming Superstar B's momentum with either intentional or negligent horrible writing/booking?
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... Alright, this does come off as pretty troll-y. lol
Oh, he's totally a troll. Ordinarily I wouldn't waste my time, but at least CyNick keeps it interesting. Even if he usually lacks logic, evidence, reasoning or consistency.
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You clearly missed my point on this.

Dave's report said "there appears to be at least one major change...". He goes on to claim it does not involve bigger talent appearing, so he concludes it is EITHER commentator OR set related. To me that's either horrific reporting because it's so vague (essentially a guess) or it shows his sources are pathetic. If it was a real source in the know (say Michael Cole), he would know that it was a new commentator and would be able to confidently report that (even if he didn't want to release the name).

I predict Wrestlemania will feature several wrestling matches, some of which will be championship matches. I also predict they will use a lot of elaborate entrances for the show.

In 4 months I will have been verified as a legitimate insider. Yay me.
Oh so now only Vince, HHH, Steph, Dunn and on-air talent like Michael Cole are legit sources? None of the other 620+ employees are legit. No matter how long they've worked there, what they do/have done or who they've worked with/for?



You also missed my point, the news wasn't just that they were bringing in a new commentator or changing the set/production, but also that they weren't going to bring in bigger talent to reboot the show. The conclusion was that they weren't going to bring in bigger talent but were likely to change commentators/production.

Also your comparison doesn't work.

Of course WM will feature several wrestling matches, some of which will be championship matches and they will use a lot of elaborate entrances for the show. WWE does that every year at WM and anyone could guess that.

WWE doesn't move Smackdown to a new network every year. What or even if any changes will or won't be made to Smackdown as a result of that move is harder to predict than the basic annual WM recurrences.

Sure, I and most people could have guessed that WWE MIGHT make some changes for the move. So because he could have simply guessed the same info, he and/or his sources suck?

I can guess what a testifying witness might say too by inferring from other evidence, history, or my own experience. Does that mean my witness might suck and I shouldn't enter their testimony as evidence? Using your logic, no witness is credible if their testimony can also simply be guessed with a modicum of accuracy.
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There's that sound again.

That's not the point.

Why would you repeatedly try to push Upcoming Superstar A (i.e., Reigns) in the same way, month after month, when it's clearly not working? At least it seems they FINALLY tried a different route with Reigns on Sunday and Monday.

In addition, when Upcoming Superstar B (i.e., Ziggler, Cesaro, Dean. Fucking. Ambrose., etc.) is already over/getting over naturally on their own, why not let them continue to do their own thing and try pushing Upcoming Superstar B instead of killing Upcoming Superstar B's momentum with either intentional or negligent horrible writing/booking?
Why are you pretending like they have been trying to get Roman over as THE GUY for months and months? He took a backseat to Rollins, who was feuding with guys like Ambrose, Lesnar, Sting, Kane, and Cena. Roman was in secondary programs. They really started pushing him as THE GUY coming out of Survivor Series. They told a story over 6 weeks or so with Reigns getting screwed time after time. Finally he reached a breaking point, and he stepped up his agression and developed an i don't give a fuck attitude while still cutting cheesy 2015 babyface promos. To me that's just great storytelling and excellent character progression.

Funny how the sheep on here quickly change their stance on Roman. Maybe next time you will have faith that WWE know what they are doing. Actually you guys never learn, so you will look foolish next time too.
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who has changed their stance on roman? show me a post.
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Oh so now only Vince, HHH, Steph, Dunn and on-air talent like Michael Cole are legit sources? None of the other 620+ employees are legit. No matter how long they've worked there, what they do/have done or who they've worked with/for?



You also missed my point, the news wasn't just that they were bringing in a new commentator or changing the set/production, but also that they weren't going to bring in bigger talent to reboot the show. The conclusion was that they weren't going to bring in bigger talent but were likely to change commentators/production.

Also your comparison doesn't work.

Of course WM will feature several wrestling matches, some of which will be championship matches and they will use a lot of elaborate entrances for the show. WWE does that every year at WM and anyone could guess that.

WWE doesn't move Smackdown to a new network every year. What or even if any changes will or won't be made to Smackdown as a result of that move is harder to predict than the basic annual WM recurrences.

Sure, I and most people could have guessed that WWE MIGHT make some changes for the move. So because he could have simply guessed the same info, he and/or his sources suck?

I can guess what a testifying witness might say too by inferring from other evidence, history, or my own experience. Does that mean my witness might suck and I shouldn't enter their testimony as evidence? Using your logic, no witness is credible if their testimony can also simply be guessed with a modicum of accuracy.
I would guess that the vast majority of network moves resulted in some type of visual change. So that prefiction is a little like predicting it will be cold on a winter day in Edmonton. Cold is subjective and it's a pretty safe bet it will be cold.

Like I said it shows he either has worthless sources or he's a terrible journalist because he didn't ask for specifics
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who has changed their stance on roman? show me a post.
No one that I've noticed. He's still just as talented AND has the same flaws he had before. He can't cut a long promo or a scripted promo and make it interesting or compelling to save his life.

The difference is apparently on Sunday and Monday night WWE booked and produced him in a way that was more compelling and worked to his advantage, doing their best to hide Roman's weaknesses and showcase his strengths.

They apparently didn't do what they had been doing, i.e., having him come out and try to memorize and cut an awkward, long winded, horribly written promo that made him come across as a bubble gum, baby face, Cena 2.0. Instead, WWE apparently had him be a bad ass, take no prisoners, wrecking machine who was going to get his point across with violence and destruction.

No one has said Roman isn't a strong hand or doesn't belong in the main event scene at all. The problem is he's not yet proven he's earned that spot necessarily, both in story line and in talent. What had he accomplished as a singles guy in the midcard both in and out of the ring before winning the Rumble? The answer is nothing.

What had HHH, Austin, Rock, HBK, Jericho and others done before winning or getting their first world title shots? Won multiple singles and tag team titles, had great mid card feuds, cut good to great promos and put on great matches and gotten over as heels and/or faces.
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Why are you pretending like they have been trying to get Roman over as THE GUY for months and months? He took a backseat to Rollins, who was feuding with guys like Ambrose, Lesnar, Sting, Kane, and Cena. Roman was in secondary programs. They really started pushing him as THE GUY coming out of Survivor Series. They told a story over 6 weeks or so with Reigns getting screwed time after time. Finally he reached a breaking point, and he stepped up his agression and developed an i don't give a fuck attitude while still cutting cheesy 2015 babyface promos. To me that's just great storytelling and excellent character progression.

Funny how the sheep on here quickly change their stance on Roman. Maybe next time you will have faith that WWE know what they are doing. Actually you guys never learn, so you will look foolish next time too.
You can't be serious or this stupid. They've been pushing him as the next guy since Royal Rumble this year. Just because the fans shit on the idea of him winning at Mania against Lesnar did they pull back a little and hold off.

If Vince & co. could've gotten away with putting the title on him at WM, they would've. If Vince & co. could've kept presenting him as a bubble gum, Cena 2.0 baby face, who kept cutting long, horribly written promos they would've. Hell, they could still fall back into that pattern at anytime.
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You can't be serious or this stupid. They've been pushing him as the next guy since Royal Rumble this year. Just because the fans shit on the idea of him winning at Mania against Lesnar did they pull back a little and hold off.

If Vince & co. could've gotten away with putting the title on him at WM, they would've. If Vince & co. could've kept presenting him as a bubble gum, Cena 2.0 baby face, who kept cutting long, horribly written promos they would've. Hell, they could still fall back into that pattern at anytime.
That's just not accurate.

No doubt he was being pushed as the NEXT top guy at the 15 Rumble, but he wasn't THE GUY yet. They made a mistake IMO by putting him next to Daniel Bryan. The crowd was still hot for Bryan after the effective job that was done building him and his subsequent injury.

They decided to pump the breaks on his meteoric rise at Mania and start telling a story where he has to struggle to get to the top. Rollins was clearly always going to get the belt at some point in the first half of 15 because he had the briefcase. Likely Reigns would have been screwed and they would have done a chase story for him to get the belt back.

In pumping the breaks on the push, he became the 2nd or 3rd from the top guy on most shows. Cena and Lesnar and others worked with Rollins at the top of the card. That's not positioning Reigns as the top guy for that time period. Even as recently as Hell in a Cell he was at best 2nd from the top.

Post HIAC they started to position him as the focal point, but Rollins got hurt and derailed those plans. WWE to their credit came up with this 6 week arc that saw Reigns go from looking like the hand picked champion to an underdog that tough towns like Boston and Philly were screaming like little girls to see him win. I would say it's been a successful 6 weeks on top for Reigns, and some epic booking along the way even when faced with difficult circumstances.
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Old 12-16-2015, 12:19 PM   #559
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Crippy just said they were pushing him to be the guy but they failed and had to pull back and hold off a bit.

You replied by telling him he was wrong and then explaining how they were pushing him to be the guy but they failed and had to pull back and hold off a bit.

Gonna give a point to the "He's a troll" side.
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Old 12-16-2015, 01:16 PM   #560
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who has changed their stance on roman? show me a post.
Don't want this important question to get lost on the last page.
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