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Old 12-16-2015, 03:47 PM   #561
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Don't want this important question to get lost on the last page.
I did, but only VERY slightly for the positive, and only temporarily pending where they go with this new devil-may-care badass persona. By and large,
at least as of now it still seems he's the same old Roman. I'm willing to give it a chance.
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Old 12-17-2015, 04:59 PM   #562
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... Alright, this does come off as pretty troll-y. lol
You only perceive it that way because you don't believe WWE planned to push Bryan. I happen to believe his push was well orchestrated and executed.

It's like telling Columbus he's a troll for saying the Earth is round. You may have a bunch of people who agree with you, but history will prove you wrong.
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Old 12-17-2015, 05:22 PM   #563
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who'd have thought that having a compelling show would entice viewers to watch, especially after weeks of drivel.
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Old 12-17-2015, 05:45 PM   #564
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You only perceive it that way because you don't believe WWE planned to push Bryan. I happen to believe his push was well orchestrated and executed.

It's like telling Columbus he's a troll for saying the Earth is round. You may have a bunch of people who agree with you, but history will prove you wrong.
Columbus wasn't saying the Earth was round, that was already proven before he traveled across the Atlantic. So history proves you wrong.
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Old 12-17-2015, 06:46 PM   #565
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You only perceive it that way because you don't believe WWE planned to push Bryan. I happen to believe his push was well orchestrated and executed.

It's like telling Columbus he's a troll for saying the Earth is round. You may have a bunch of people who agree with you, but history will prove you wrong.
I would compare you more to a guy who is telling everyone the earth is sitting on the back of a giant turtle and that history will prove him right.
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Old 12-17-2015, 06:48 PM   #566
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Or in the most recent case that I referenced at the top of the page, a guy who tells people "You're wrong! The earth is not round! Now let me SCHOOL YOU by explaining how the earth is ACTUALLY round..."
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Old 12-17-2015, 07:59 PM   #567
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columbus set out for an entirely different location and stumbled across america. so i'd say the cynick's point is apt, just not the way he thinks it is.
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Old 12-18-2015, 09:49 AM   #568
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Columbus wasn't saying the Earth was round, that was already proven before he traveled across the Atlantic. So history proves you wrong.
Sometimes the myth of the story is more valuable than the facts.
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Old 12-18-2015, 11:23 AM   #569
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Sometimes the myth of the story is more valuable than the facts.
Yes, if you're an idiot than I suppose you likely would value the myth over the facts. Only the utterly stupid, naive or uninformed would value the myth over the facts.
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Old 12-18-2015, 11:50 AM   #570
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Also weird coming from someone who constantly asks about verified sources.
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Old 12-18-2015, 01:13 PM   #571
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who has changed their stance on roman? show me a post.
Haven't seen a response to this one yet.
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Old 12-18-2015, 01:16 PM   #572
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Old 12-18-2015, 02:30 PM   #573
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Haven't seen a response to this one yet.
Just in general. People seem more positive about the guy compared to a few weeks ago. The majority on here were suggesting he will never get over as a top face. All it took was for WWE to use their magic for two shows, and boom, the guy is hot as hell.

What are you looking for here, a quote from someone? People often underestimate how little time I want to put into these posts.

I appreciate people who sift through old posts, but geez, it's a message board. Reeeeelax boys.
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Old 12-18-2015, 02:32 PM   #574
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Yes, if you're an idiot than I suppose you likely would value the myth over the facts. Only the utterly stupid, naive or uninformed would value the myth over the facts.
That's funny coming from a lot of people who believe that Daniel Bryan was magically pushed by the fans. The myth is better than the facts, so you believe it.
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Old 12-18-2015, 03:37 PM   #575
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Just in general. People seem more positive about the guy compared to a few weeks ago. The majority on here were suggesting he will never get over as a top face. All it took was for WWE to use their magic for two shows, and boom, the guy is hot as hell.

What are you looking for here, a quote from someone? People often underestimate how little time I want to put into these posts.

I appreciate people who sift through old posts, but geez, it's a message board. Reeeeelax boys.
I wasn't looking for anything. I just wanted to make sure you didn't gloss over ron the dial's request for proof of people changing their stances on a guy after two good outings.

For a guy who wants legit sources from everyone, you sure take some liberties yourself.
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Old 12-18-2015, 04:14 PM   #576
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That's funny coming from a lot of people who believe that Daniel Bryan was magically pushed by the fans. The myth is better than the facts, so you believe it.
Um, what?

It's just as much of a myth (if not more so) that Bryan's WM main event match was some elaborate original plan. You have no evidence that was the plan.

We on the other hand have evidence of Daniel Bryan himself saying that he wasn't originally planned to main event WM.

Sure, maybe it was the plan and they just didn't tell Bryan that was the case.

Meanwhile, your proof that it was the plan is that some superstars aren't always told what the plans for their particular match outcomes are until the day of the match or they're not told the specifics of their story lines in advance. You have no evidence that superstars are or are not told in advance that they will or won't be main eventing WM or any other PPV. All of this is what is called a presumption.

I know were not in court here but in case you don't know, presumptions are not facts and so they are also not admissible as evidence.
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Old 12-18-2015, 07:23 PM   #577
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You have CM Punk who "claims" he was booked to face (and go over) Hunter at Mania, which they had begun to evidently build on TV if you go back and watch the title unification ceremony.

Batista has also stated in interviews he was supposed to be going over at Mania as a babyface and that he had told Vince he didn't think it was going to work because he feels he's better as a heel and that he (correctly) figured the fans would resent him coming back into that spot.

Bryan had practically no interaction with the authority following the HBK screwjob, instead feuding with Bray Wyatt for three months while Big Show was randomly pushed into the role of "People's champion" to take on the Authority. Suddenly Bryan's feud with the Wyatt's closes with a clean loss and he's in the spot Punk was in, fending off the authority.

Chris Jericho has corroborated the "story" that Bryan was scheduled to face Sheamus, stating that he wanted to wrestle Bryan at Mania 30 but Vince had already got him locked in for Sheamus so Jericho did not appear at Mania 30 because he didn't want a "Fandango" deal again (Note how I am even including this even though I disagree with Jericho and his views on Fandango).

Bryan getting that main event was course correction after their planned main event bombed hard and Punk quit leaving HHH with nothing to do, it was not an ingenious master plan built over six months. If you would rather believe talking heads of HHH and Vince on a WWE network special, who have every reason to make you believe they didn't shit the bed, then I guess that's just what you'd happily lie on.

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Old 12-18-2015, 08:12 PM   #578
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you do realize he's just going to come back with something else right? lol and then call you all Meltzer sheep.
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Old 12-18-2015, 09:07 PM   #581
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Noid, i give you the job of predicting CyNick's retort, because you are funny.
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it was some of his finest work. The dirtsheets are predicting a massive push for him, but he may get overlooked due to politics.

However the dirtsheets are full of it. TPWW is giving Noid ALL of the tools to succeed, he's just a spoilt millenial.
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you do realize he's just going to come back with something else right? lol and then call you all Meltzer sheep.
Now if he went into TheDarkness214's forum and called him a Russo Sheep he'd have something. Not much, granted, but certainly more than his claims in here.
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I wasn't looking for anything. I just wanted to make sure you didn't gloss over ron the dial's request for proof of people changing their stances on a guy after two good outings.

For a guy who wants legit sources from everyone, you sure take some liberties yourself.
When i start claiming to be a journalist you can hold me to those standards
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Um, what?

It's just as much of a myth (if not more so) that Bryan's WM main event match was some elaborate original plan. You have no evidence that was the plan.

We on the other hand have evidence of Daniel Bryan himself saying that he wasn't originally planned to main event WM.

Sure, maybe it was the plan and they just didn't tell Bryan that was the case.

Meanwhile, your proof that it was the plan is that some superstars aren't always told what the plans for their particular match outcomes are until the day of the match or they're not told the specifics of their story lines in advance. You have no evidence that superstars are or are not told in advance that they will or won't be main eventing WM or any other PPV. All of this is what is called a presumption.

I know were not in court here but in case you don't know, presumptions are not facts and so they are also not admissible as evidence.
So we're supposed to listen to Daniel Bryan but not Roman Reigns.

My proof is the months of booking Bryan to get screwed, to be kept as the focal point of the shows, to show the interaction of the crowd, to focus on the crowd to teach future crowds to repeat the behaviour, to create a bunch of merchandise. Yeah all those things indicate the Bryan push was planned months in advance.

You guys like to claim things get missed by me, but explain why WWE can bury guys when they want to, but with Bryan they kept focusing on him without burying him. Why wouldn't they just bury him if they didn't plan for him to get to the top.

This one debate is why people who are actually on the inside in high positions think this segment of the fans base are morons. Loyal. But morons.
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You have CM Punk who "claims" he was booked to face (and go over) Hunter at Mania, which they had begun to evidently build on TV if you go back and watch the title unification ceremony.

Batista has also stated in interviews he was supposed to be going over at Mania as a babyface and that he had told Vince he didn't think it was going to work because he feels he's better as a heel and that he (correctly) figured the fans would resent him coming back into that spot.

Bryan had practically no interaction with the authority following the HBK screwjob, instead feuding with Bray Wyatt for three months while Big Show was randomly pushed into the role of "People's champion" to take on the Authority. Suddenly Bryan's feud with the Wyatt's closes with a clean loss and he's in the spot Punk was in, fending off the authority.

Chris Jericho has corroborated the "story" that Bryan was scheduled to face Sheamus, stating that he wanted to wrestle Bryan at Mania 30 but Vince had already got him locked in for Sheamus so Jericho did not appear at Mania 30 because he didn't want a "Fandango" deal again (Note how I am even including this even though I disagree with Jericho and his views on Fandango).

Bryan getting that main event was course correction after their planned main event bombed hard and Punk quit leaving HHH with nothing to do, it was not an ingenious master plan built over six months. If you would rather believe talking heads of HHH and Vince on a WWE network special, who have every reason to make you believe they didn't shit the bed, then I guess that's just what you'd happily lie on.

How can you hate dirt sheets but love shitty bed sheets?
Punk v Hunter was going to get Bryan into the main event

Bryan v Sheamus would act as a match to wear down Bryan. Angle was going to be Sheamus killed Bryan in 10 seconds, he's the perfect guy to ensure Bryan can't make it to the main event, just in case Punk were to beat Hunter.

Bats wouldn't have been told about the plans until closer to the event. Jericho had nothing to do with anything so he wouldn't know.

Punk would beat Hunter. Bryan would beat Sheamus. Bryan would win the strap in the main event. Punk would be there to celebrate with him. Plant the seeds for a program down the line between the two.

But no, it probably just happened by accident.
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Really you can't be that dumb CyNick, c'mon man.
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Your argument is irrelevant CyNick. Just stop and talk about real things.
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The HHH/Punk match to set up Bryan is just hilarious. Can you imagine that playing out on TV.

HHH: Hey Punk I'm going to beat you and Bryan won't be in the main event.

Punk: Fuck that, if I beat you I'm in the main event.

HHH: No our match is all about Bryan but Shamus is going to beat Bryan in 10 seconds anyway so it won't matter.

Punk: WTF?

HHH: Its best for business

Punk: Scew that I quit
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When i start claiming to be a journalist you can hold me to those standards
So what's your excuse for holding everyone else to those standards? I'm fairly certain no one on here has claimed to be a wrestling journalist.
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Punk v Hunter was going to get Bryan into the main event

Bryan v Sheamus would act as a match to wear down Bryan. Angle was going to be Sheamus killed Bryan in 10 seconds, he's the perfect guy to ensure Bryan can't make it to the main event, just in case Punk were to beat Hunter.

Bats wouldn't have been told about the plans until closer to the event. Jericho had nothing to do with anything so he wouldn't know.

Punk would beat Hunter. Bryan would beat Sheamus. Bryan would win the strap in the main event. Punk would be there to celebrate with him. Plant the seeds for a program down the line between the two.

But no, it probably just happened by accident.
......I...I got nothing this just stands on its own.
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Wait... so we can just project our own rationalizations in order to pretend something wasn't really stupid??? Sweet!

The Bellas suddenly just started pretending to be friends with each other for a brilliant storyline that's being planned where they are in line to get millions from a dying relative but they have to get along first.

But no, WWE is just historically bad at writing stories that make sense.

Brawl for All was all planned to bury a bunch of guys on the roster at the expense of Bart Gunn who would go on to get destroyed by Butterbean, setting off an ingenious storyline where, on the 20th anniversary of that defeat, he will return as a monster who has been locked away from society for 2 decades and is back to take WWE by storm.

But no, a multi-millionaire businessman did something mind-numbingly dumb that destroyed the credibility of a ton of guys on his roster for nothing.

Chris Jericho returning to WWE after weeks of cryptic videos, only to not speak a work on his first night and then break down in tears the next week and then just... never explain any of it was all an elaborate plan to explain why, in kayfabe, he'd be leaving and returning constantly over the years. Because he has mental issues and is severely depressed and fickle.

But no, WWE's writers are just incredibly bad at putting in the effort to hash out storylines and follow through with angles.

Wade Barrett's badass bareknuckle fighter vignettes before his return last year that preceded him returning and instantly running away from fights, completely ruining the gimmick and making him the same paint-by-numbers heel everyone else was is actually going to be referenced soon when Barrett returns to his roots and comes back BETTER AND STRONGER FOR REALZ THIS TIME!

But no, WWE's writers just don't know the definition of the term "character development".

Damn. This is way easier than actually being logical! I like it!
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Oh yeah. And Cesaro was definitely gonna get revenge on Big Show for squashing him. I know Cesaro getting squashed by guys who are getting pushed for a storyline that month is pretty common but THIS time he was CLEARLY gonna get revenge after just brushing it off for a couple months first so that no one would ever suspect it. You Meltzer sheep just don't get how it all works.
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Wait... so we can just project our own rationalizations in order to pretend something wasn't really stupid??? Sweet!

The Bellas suddenly just started pretending to be friends with each other for a brilliant storyline that's being planned where they are in line to get millions from a dying relative but they have to get along first.

But no, WWE is just historically bad at writing stories that make sense.

Brawl for All was all planned to bury a bunch of guys on the roster at the expense of Bart Gunn who would go on to get destroyed by Butterbean, setting off an ingenious storyline where, on the 20th anniversary of that defeat, he will return as a monster who has been locked away from society for 2 decades and is back to take WWE by storm.

But no, a multi-millionaire businessman did something mind-numbingly dumb that destroyed the credibility of a ton of guys on his roster for nothing.

Chris Jericho returning to WWE after weeks of cryptic videos, only to not speak a work on his first night and then break down in tears the next week and then just... never explain any of it was all an elaborate plan to explain why, in kayfabe, he'd be leaving and returning constantly over the years. Because he has mental issues and is severely depressed and fickle.

But no, WWE's writers are just incredibly bad at putting in the effort to hash out storylines and follow through with angles.

Wade Barrett's badass bareknuckle fighter vignettes before his return last year that preceded him returning and instantly running away from fights, completely ruining the gimmick and making him the same paint-by-numbers heel everyone else was is actually going to be referenced soon when Barrett returns to his roots and comes back BETTER AND STRONGER FOR REALZ THIS TIME!

But no, WWE's writers just don't know the definition of the term "character development".

Damn. This is way easier than actually being logical! I like it!
With so many bad storylines, and such terrible writing, makes you wonder why someone with your level of intelligence would bother watching in such close detail.
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Oh yeah. And Cesaro was definitely gonna get revenge on Big Show for squashing him. I know Cesaro getting squashed by guys who are getting pushed for a storyline that month is pretty common but THIS time he was CLEARLY gonna get revenge after just brushing it off for a couple months first so that no one would ever suspect it. You Meltzer sheep just don't get how it all works.
Seth Rollins vs Roman Reigns was planned for Survivor Series. Do you recall why it got changed?
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With so many bad storylines, and such terrible writing, makes you wonder why someone with your level of intelligence would bother watching in such close detail.
I believe this line of argument has been answered ad nauseum. This is another logical fallacy (one of many which you like to use) and you are using it to distract from having to make any sense.

Aka you're being a big wank
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Punk v Hunter was going to get Bryan into the main event

Bryan v Sheamus would act as a match to wear down Bryan. Angle was going to be Sheamus killed Bryan in 10 seconds, he's the perfect guy to ensure Bryan can't make it to the main event, just in case Punk were to beat Hunter.

Bats wouldn't have been told about the plans until closer to the event. Jericho had nothing to do with anything so he wouldn't know.

Punk would beat Hunter. Bryan would beat Sheamus. Bryan would win the strap in the main event. Punk would be there to celebrate with him. Plant the seeds for a program down the line between the two.

But no, it probably just happened by accident.
I see you've gone with the insanity plea. No further questions.
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Punk v Hunter was going to get Bryan into the main event

Bryan v Sheamus would act as a match to wear down Bryan. Angle was going to be Sheamus killed Bryan in 10 seconds, he's the perfect guy to ensure Bryan can't make it to the main event, just in case Punk were to beat Hunter.

Bats wouldn't have been told about the plans until closer to the event. Jericho had nothing to do with anything so he wouldn't know.

Punk would beat Hunter. Bryan would beat Sheamus. Bryan would win the strap in the main event. Punk would be there to celebrate with him. Plant the seeds for a program down the line between the two.

But no, it probably just happened by accident.
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