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Old 01-15-2016, 09:15 PM   #641
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So if the percentage difference was -1% would that be ok? How about 0% ?
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Old 01-16-2016, 01:08 AM   #642
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When you didnt have shows on multiple days of the week that are drawing the largest audience on cable, and now you do, thats a reason to celebrate.

But I'm sure your CEO friend has never had a year where he was #1 at something in his industry, so probably not the right person to get an opinion from.
sweet assumptions dude. You're a knobhead.

They've had shows on multiple days of the week for 2 decades now.

You're making up rules to success as you go to suit your arguments. Thus my "mm hmmm" because what can you even say to someone who isn't really bothering trying to have a discussion.
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Old 01-17-2016, 05:03 PM   #643
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sweet assumptions dude. You're a knobhead.

They've had shows on multiple days of the week for 2 decades now.

You're making up rules to success as you go to suit your arguments. Thus my "mm hmmm" because what can you even say to someone who isn't really bothering trying to have a discussion.
Wasnt Smackdown on other channels? My point was USA now has the top weekly show on Monday and the top weekly show on Thursday. That's something to celebrate. If you are not in the TV business, it may be difficult to appreciate how huge that is.

Your big contribution to the conversation was an unnamed "CEO friend" who apparently doesn't get excited about having massive success. You're used to your hero bloggers who never talk about facts, just make random statements about speculation that fits their agenda and pass off as fact.
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Old 01-17-2016, 05:09 PM   #644
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When I watched it over there it was just 50 adverts for Arbys
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Old 01-17-2016, 05:52 PM   #645
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Some show named "Cavuto Coast to Coast" beat Smackdown quite handily. If you're counting total viewers, of course. If you're just counting the 18-49 demo that advertisers actually care about, it barely cracked the top 10 for the night. I'm sure WWE would like that to improve.
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Old 01-17-2016, 07:52 PM   #646
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How do they get correct demos like that? Does the Neilsen box ask how old the person is before starting to watch?
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Old 01-17-2016, 08:21 PM   #647
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They ask for your age and anyone else in the house who is participating.

Got picked to do one of those about two years ago although it wasn't for the tv box but their book version.
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Old 01-17-2016, 08:28 PM   #648
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Why the fuck is this thread still going on? When your ratings drop it is never a good sign. It's simple math. Less is not good when looking at the number of viewers. It does not matter the reason. It is a fact it is happening.
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Old 01-17-2016, 08:29 PM   #649
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Old 01-17-2016, 08:52 PM   #650
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Old 01-17-2016, 09:21 PM   #651
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They ask for your age and anyone else in the house who is participating.

Got picked to do one of those about two years ago although it wasn't for the tv box but their book version.
I, too have done this. Not as interesting as I'd thought.
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Old 01-17-2016, 09:26 PM   #652
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Old 01-18-2016, 01:38 AM   #653
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Old 01-18-2016, 01:53 AM   #654
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No, and it's clear he hasn't done much debating either.
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Old 01-18-2016, 07:43 AM   #655
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I think it's funny that people have debates on a forum to win or lose or to own people. It is just really weird to me. I love to argue with the rest of them but my goal begins and ends at making my point and that is all.
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Old 01-20-2016, 09:59 PM   #656
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What was the rating this week?
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Old 01-21-2016, 03:46 AM   #657
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What was the rating this week?
Started pretty good comparatively, but shit the bed by the third hour


Average 3,496,000
Hour 1 3,775,000
Hour 2 3,591,000
Hour 3 3,123,000

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On this night was clear what did the show in was the show itself, with major pattern of declines from start to finish, including a third hour that did 3.12 million viewers, a number that would have been considered poor even going against a huge NFL game.
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Old 01-21-2016, 08:45 AM   #658
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Wow a drop of 600,000 viewers, but this is expected right CyNick?
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Old 01-22-2016, 10:15 AM   #659
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I think it's funny that people have debates on a forum to win or lose or to own people. It is just really weird to me. I love to argue with the rest of them but my goal begins and ends at making my point and that is all.
Well, that's sort of what I meant. CyNick's not very good at making a coherent point that doesn't betray itself as a fallacy.
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Old 01-23-2016, 02:25 AM   #660
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CyNick's also been conspicuously absent lately. So have I, but I don't watch the product anymore so...
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Old 01-24-2016, 07:20 AM   #661
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CyNick's also been conspicuously absent lately. So have I, but I don't watch the product anymore so...
I don't find myself agreeing with much if anything he said, but dude does have the fine art of making an entrance and exit...show up unexpectedly, leave "mysteriously" kinda...
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Thumbs up
Raw broke 4 million for the first time since June.

hour 1: 4.140
hour 2: 4.183
hour 3: 3.972

That AJ Styles.effect... Oh and I guess that actor that showed up too.
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Old 01-26-2016, 06:40 PM   #663
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Nice rating. #1 in viewership by a lot.
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Old 01-26-2016, 06:42 PM   #664
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Some show named "Cavuto Coast to Coast" beat Smackdown quite handily. If you're counting total viewers, of course. If you're just counting the 18-49 demo that advertisers actually care about, it barely cracked the top 10 for the night. I'm sure WWE would like that to improve.
Nobody in the TV business ONLY considers the 18-49 number. No doubt it's the #1 demo (in reality its 18-35 but why split hairs), but total viewers matter as well.

The fact that WWE regularly draws a top 5 audience now for multiple days of the week is huge for USA. Go ahead and ask a TV exec if you don't believe me.
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Old 01-26-2016, 06:45 PM   #665
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Wow a drop of 600,000 viewers, but this is expected right CyNick?
Ratings fluctuate from week to week. When you draw as many viewers as WWE does, you are bound to get weekly increases or decreases of hundreds of thousands of viewers.

Monday Night Football has swings of millions of viewers from week to week because their audience is so massive. Nobody gets stressed out at one week's number in the ESPN front office.
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Old 01-26-2016, 06:46 PM   #666
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Old 01-26-2016, 10:11 PM   #667
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Ratings ended up being a 2.93 which managed to be the lowest rated post-Rumble show since 1997.

Last year had around 320k more people watching while the yearly trend since 2011 is around the same drop range.
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Ratings ended up being a 2.93 which managed to be the lowest rated post-Rumble show since 1997.

Last year had around 320k more people watching while the yearly trend since 2011 is around the same drop range.
More from the people thinking the tv landscape is the same as 2010. It's cute.
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More from the people thinking the tv landscape is the same as 2010. It's cute.
Says the guy who's never sat in, been involved with or been responsible for a business affairs, sales or ratings meeting at a major media or entertainment company, let alone negotiated or been involved with agreements for the rights to public performances or broadcast of intellectual property.

It's annoying and full of shit.
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Says the guy who's never sat in, been involved with or been responsible for a business affairs, sales or ratings meeting at a major media or entertainment company, let alone negotiated or been involved with agreements for the rights to public performances or broadcast of intellectual property.

It's annoying and full of shit.
Wad there a point in that rant? Or are you trying to change the subject?

Btw lol
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Wad there a point in that rant? Or are you trying to change the subject?

Btw lol
No. My point was I think you're full of shit and your opinions and arguments are worthless. Especially since you won't name your supposedly credible and trustworthy "sources".

That being said, you're mildly entertaining from the perspective that it's like arguing with an immature teenager who actually has no idea what they're talking about but thinks they know everything and more than anyone else.
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Wad there a point in that rant? Or are you trying to change the subject?

Btw lol
You completely ignored the part where I basically said you don't know what you're talking about re: tv/media ratings because you 1. don't have any actual experience with anything you claim to know so much about and 2. you won't name any of your "sources" because it's "not worth getting into".
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No. My point was I think you're full of shit and your opinions and arguments are worthless. Especially since you won't name your supposedly credible and trustworthy "sources".

That being said, you're mildly entertaining from the perspective that it's like arguing with an immature teenager who actually has no idea what they're talking about but thinks they know everything and more than anyone else.
Amongst this group, I guarantee I know more than any of you. Guarantee.

But I'm not sure what you think I'm full of shit in relation to ratings. Do you think TV ratings in general are up? Do you not believe in the impact of other media taking away from TV ratings? Do you think WWE didnt have the most viewed show on cable by a lot?

You should mellow out man. Maybe do more drugs or better ones anyway.
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I basically questioned you and your source's expertise and credibility and all you've responded with is it's not worth getting into.

I wish I could do that when citing a legal principle or source to justify my argument and reasoning. "Your honor, I didn't cite any actual sources here or provide for their credibility because it's not worth getting into."

I'm legitimately interested in learning from you and having a detailed discussion, IF you can show why yourself and your "sources" are credible and experts in the field in which you claim to know so very much.
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One day I'm gonna take all the quotes of CyNick changing the subject, strawmanning or blatantly ignoring damning points and put them all in one big post. And I'm just gonna post that as a response every time he does it again.

I figure if he's a troll then be won't be getting the passionate response he's looking for and he'll just get tired of it and quit. On the other hand, if he's serious then eventually having all of that shoved in his face repeatedly will make something click... eventually... one would think. Either way, it's probably the only thing left to do at this point.
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Amongst this group, I guarantee I know more than any of you. Guarantee.
Maybe you do, I just doubt that to be the case because of your refusal to state why and how you know so much "more than any of" us.

I'll be the first to admit, I don't everything and I don't know the particulars between WWE and USA and their deals.

That being said, I do know exactly how television/media companies and entertainment/media producers work, what they want, see and look for in deals, ratings, etc.

I've negotiated and drafted deals for and with NBC-Universal, ABC/Disney, CBS, HBO, Netflix and many others. I've also worked in and been involved in the business affairs departments, planning, meetings, etc. at major media, music and entertainment companies, including Universal Music, Cox Communications, Viacom, Cablevision.
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I basically questioned you and your source's expertise and credibility and all you've responded with is it's not worth getting into.

I wish I could do that when citing a legal principle or source to justify my argument and reasoning. "Your honor, I didn't cite any actual sources here or provide for their credibility because it's not worth getting into."

I'm legitimately interested in learning from you and having a detailed discussion, IF you can show why yourself and your "sources" are credible and experts in the field in which you claim to know so very much.
Were all a bunch of dudes expressing opinions on a message board that maybe 30 people read. There's no standard to live up to. No matter what I say on here, I will be painted as being offbase because I dont fall into the narrative that you guys believe to be gospel.

But that aside, the VAST majority of what I say can all be backed up with ratings data. I dont have the desire to do research for you people. If you think cable TV ratings are as high as they've ever been, go ahead, believe that. If you dont think USA is doing high fives because they now have shows on multiple days of the week that are at or near the top in viewership, well I dont know what proof you need to buy into that? Do I need to show receipts for champagne bottles sent to USA's head office?

Here's some real numbers from January 18th. NBA had literally the biggest game they can put on (Cavs vs Warriors), and it only beat RAW 200K 18-49 viewers. Overall RAW BEAT IT by 150K viewers. So if you guys feel WWE drawing more viewers than the biggest NBA regular season game possible, I really dont know how to help you. By that standard, everything on cable outside maybe Walking Dead and MNF is doing terribly and they should all be worried about being cancelled.

Then this week WWE draws well over 1 million more viewers than every regular program on cable that night. It beat the NBA game that day by OVER 2.5 million viewers. Let me repeat that. WWE RAW drew MORE THAN 2.5 million additional viewers than the national NBA game. Do you think NBA ratings were higher in 2010? I bet they were. Do you think NBA is dying?

You guys who try to debate me on ratings are really sad in that you so want to believe a narrative to be true, but you dont understand what is going on in the industry. But there's enough of you who believe the same thing, so you pat each other on the back and say "CyNick is full of shit". Like I said, its cute.
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Maybe you do, I just doubt that to be the case because of your refusal to state why and how you know so much "more than any of" us.

I'll be the first to admit, I don't everything and I don't know the particulars between WWE and USA and their deals.

That being said, I do know exactly how television/media companies and entertainment/media producers work, what they want, see and look for in deals, ratings, etc.

I've negotiated and drafted deals for and with NBC-Universal, ABC/Disney, CBS, HBO, Netflix and many others. I've also worked in and been involved in the business affairs departments, planning, meetings, etc. at major media, music and entertainment companies, including Universal Music, Cox Communications, Viacom, Cablevision.
If you think WWE is unsuccessful on cable, then you clearly dont know as much as you are claiming in that post.
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One day I'm gonna take all the quotes of CyNick changing the subject, strawmanning or blatantly ignoring damning points and put them all in one big post. And I'm just gonna post that as a response every time he does it again.

I figure if he's a troll then be won't be getting the passionate response he's looking for and he'll just get tired of it and quit. On the other hand, if he's serious then eventually having all of that shoved in his face repeatedly will make something click... eventually... one would think. Either way, it's probably the only thing left to do at this point.
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But I'm not sure what you think I'm full of shit in relation to ratings. Do you think TV ratings in general are up? Do you not believe in the impact of other media taking away from TV ratings? Do you think WWE didnt have the most viewed show on cable by a lot?
No. I don't think TV ratings in general are up. I do think that those content providers that are focusing on putting out HIGH quality, well written television/media are doing consistently better than those that aren't.

I do believe in the impact of other media taking away from TV ratings. I also believe that those who put out compelling, MUST see content, especially live event content, don't use that as an excuse or a crutch for their poor ratings or a reason to put out a horrible, piss poor product.

You're right, WWE had the most viewed show on cable this Monday. No one's denying that. So what?

Is that an excuse or reason for WWE to let the writing and booking quality nose dive to shit, all the while alienating their most intense and loyal consumers? Is that a reason not to try to improve their writing/booking, thus improving their ratings and ultimately, improve their revenues?
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