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Old 09-26-2016, 12:18 AM   #401
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Old 09-26-2016, 12:19 AM   #402
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Old 09-26-2016, 12:22 AM   #403
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Old 09-26-2016, 12:29 AM   #404
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Left the show on for the replay, and I just saw the Cesaro spot again.

I don't think his eyes being flared and freaked out were due to a concussion, I think that was him going "Holy shit. I didn't just die. Right? I'm alive? Okay. Still alive. Yeah."
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Old 09-26-2016, 03:22 AM   #405
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so new day holds till mania
No, today (Sept. 26th) is day 400, December 14th would be day 479, so they might drop the belts by sometime near the end of 2016...
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Old 09-26-2016, 06:04 AM   #406
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People dissing the Sheamus vs Cesaro match are out of their fucking minds. That match was tits. Whole series is underappreciated, imo.
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the fact you know who and what those are is way gayer, brah.
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Here are my thoughts, even though my analysis is apparently over-the-top these days:

* Overall, I agree with every decision on this show from a booking standpoint. Weird, I know. If I were predicting in Tipsters this year, I'd actually have gotten a very high score for this show, with me only being off on the outcome of Cesaro/Sheamus and the technicality of who gets pinned and by what method in the tag match, etc. The particulars, if you well.

* The New Day going over Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson makes sense because, ahem, Luke Gallows has actually been kind of shit since he's arrived in WWE. He's got this cool charm about him when he's hanging around, but in the ring he often looks clueless. I love that roundhouse kick he does, and the Chokeslam was sick, but he's quite limited. The Good Brothers, and to a degree, AJ Styels, were brought in as opponents, I feel. AJ Styles has completely exceeded the expectations of Vince McMahon, while Gallows & Anderson probably haven't. The New Day are approaching Day 400, have a fucking cereal out, and it's sad that this matters as a particular, but are probably the only over credible black act in the company. Apollo Crews hasn't connected in the personality department, R-Truth is comedy filler, Darren Young vs. Titus O'Neil fucking bombed, etc.

* Gallows & Anderson will be fine, by the way. Their best use is as scary back-up for a top heel. They don't need the belts to do that.

* I wish TJ Perkins kept his CWC theme, but the video game thing, while hokey, is at least some sort of motif. I liked the match with Kendrick. I thought Perkins kicking out of Sliced Bread #2 was a cool deal, because no one ever really kicks out of that (I didn't watch the whole CWC thing, so I apologize and reverse myself if it has), and it was sort of a "look how tough this kid is" stamp, because they never fucking do it. A bit of miscommunication, but that's life. I liked the flow of Kendrick looking for the Captain's Hook, and Perkins got the win, as he should have, and got the use the Kneebar, which hopefully gets over.

* Michael Cole was awesome on commentary for this match. He really tried to amp up the sports element of his presentation. That Cole knows how to do it somehow makes him more contemptible. My favorite part of this package was actually Kendrick headbutting Perkins after. The crowd actually booed on cue too. Kendrick being a sore loser has put him down a path of darkness and actually tells a story. He's not one and done. Perkins doesn't even look particularly stupid, which is rare for a deer-in-the-headlights babyface. A good piece of business using that extra-short interviewer too.

* Cesaro vs. Sheamus was probably my match of the night. Cesaro is fucking killing himself trying to get over. After that spot, they recovered extremely well. Holy shit, that's organic pro-wrestling. Cesaro is, for my money, the best in-ring guy they have. His facial expressions during a match are awesome. He doesn't always do shock at a kick-out -- sometimes he looks like a killer on the prowl. He usually does the neck-crank taunt, but the way he worked it into this match after the dive was awesome. I haven't read the views of others, but if people are criticizing this, I have to disagree. Best match on the show.

* I'm not entirely down on the booking. At first my gut was "this is fucking stupid," but then I thought "at least I am going to remember this." After going 50/50, the damage has already been done. This won't be their last match. No one was really tuning in for the climax to that rivalry. I wouldn't have done it that way, but it doesn't revolt me. The "let them fight" chants implied more interest from the crowd than there was heading into this match, you know? It almost felt like they were building up to Hell in a Cell, but I'm sure that won't be the case.

* Sheamus vs. Cesaro might have been the match of the night, but Chris Jericho was the VIP of the entire evening. That man is just on a whole other level. He's over on such a different plain to everyone else. The crowd loves him, but they boo him even though they love him. The guy is a maestro. Sami Zayn showed up and did his usual routine too. The outcome is simply that old-school "heel wins the first match" mentality of booking. I doubt their issues are over. By the way, Jericho's face after winning this match did more to put over Sami Zayn than anything he did in the match.

* I liked the line Kevin Owens had telling Mick Foley to not interrupt him. Such a smarmy prick. Mick Foley's line of "I like that chip on his shoulder -- all the greats..." also did more to put Kevin Owens over than anything Kevin Owens said in that segment.

This is where the show dropped off for me:

* It felt like the crowd was being polite to the women's match. It felt too...choreographed? I really loved the Triple Threat at WrestleMania, but this felt like a bunch of Triple Threat conventions splashed onto the screen. How many times are we going to see Sasha Banks catch the third girl in the headscissors to position her for the double-double-knee thingy? How many times are we going to see the two girls that supposedly like each other face-off and then the heel pulls one good girl out? How many times are we going to see the three girls fighting each other on their hands and knees. I don't know if I've even seen that particular last spot before, but I feel like I have.

* I'm glad Charlotte retained. She is the one hitting her character out of the park right now and she just got back the belt. Sasha Banks should never smile. She looks way too...human when she does it. She loses "The Boss" with that smile. I haven't heard much of Bayley on the main roster, but in the hype video, backstage segment and during the match itself, I've heard "I belong here" way too many times already. People in Orlando and Brooklyn won't turn against her, but I can see a Chicago or Philly shitting all over the "I'm such a plucky underdog" thing a lot more than I could have prior to her call-up.

* Holy fuck did that crowd not give one fuck about Roman Reigns. Wow. Not even "We want Lana" chants that I could detect. Even those corner clotheslines were only counted along to very quietly. The thing is, this was actually a pretty good match from an in-ring standpoint. I've actually noticed that a lot of Rusev's matches don't involve him kicking out of eight finishing moves. I like that about the guy. Reigns is also particularly good at setting up his routine spots in really inventive ways. But holy fuck have they fucking ruined him. This wasn't "polarizing," this was a heat vacuum. I don't want to say you could hear a pin drop, but if Lana were to slip Rusev a pin during the match, you'd hear it slide across the canvas. If Roman Reigns was Vince's vision, I hope he is happy with himself. I am now actually behind Reigns just because I feel so sorry for him.

* By the way, my only real knowledge of this feud is the SummerSlam recap and the hype video. Roman Reigns came off like a fucking dick in it. It starts with him blatantly ruining Rusev's wedding segment with Lana to crack shit jokes about their sex life. Seriously, who does that? He also can't act that routine out. He looked awkward as hell. The way they've presented Reigns, you actually hate him when he isn't completely annoying at something, because you want to hate him for being annoying. The dude NEEDS to turn heel on RAW.

* Michael Cole: "Roman Reigns has always faced adversity" (paraphrased). No, Michael Cole -- Roman Reigns is a third generation star who was handed a meaty contract and picked out to be the golden boy when his football career didn't take off. If that's not the entire truth, that's at least the perceived truth, and that's what counts. Let the guy be the heat magnet he is supposed to be, for fuck's sake.

* Pet peeve: Seth Rollins vs. Kevin Owens mainly seems to be about Triple H's love. How anyone is supposed to look good in that is beyond me. A bunch of boys fighting for daddy's sweet affection. Ugh. Rollins also didn't really turn face -- he just got out-heeled. It's hard to feel sorry for him. You even see him acting like a heel in this match's hype video. It's pretty awks.

* I'm going to try and not rant on Owens, but I've really come to the conclusion I'm not high on the guy. My feelings are very similar to Cool King's, except I think he's a better talker, but his verbiage during the chinlock? "You'll fade to Black. Get it?!?" Who is he trying to pop? What's the psychology there? He's trying to be ha-ha funny while he's working with a guy who is struggling to get over as a babyface. There's a difference between trash-talk and actually having these rehearsed lines that you whip out because you're having a walk in the park with a guy.

* The match itself was the same "spot that never wins a match, kick out, grab my face in shock" routine that the WWE style has become. Everyone is trying to do HBK/Taker, but no one is HBK or Taker. I honestly fail to see how there is any drama in any of those spots. One guy kick-outs, the other guy hits a move, the other guy kicks out. Okay. Are people actually at home spitting out their drinks? I don't get it. The leg was worked just so that there could be one spot later in the match where the leg gives out. That's WWE style psychology these days. Everything is so...functional. Tension isn't built by telling a story, it's by doing a call-back to a "line of dialogue" earlier. You only sell a leg injury so you can't get a pin after a Frog Splash later in the match because "remember the leg injury!".

* The ending sequence was actually pretty sweet though. I don't like Rollins using the Pedigree (it doesn't even really suit him), but I like his inventive ways of hitting it out of nowhere. A telling sign of just how disinterested the crowd really was in this though, is when they start the count on the phantom pin. They keep counting after Rollins had broken the pin. They were doing it to keep themselves awake, folks.

* Chris Jericho showing up was amazing. The crowd immediately gets invested, and he makes Rollins look better than he has looked the entire match. "My best friend! This is my best friend!" "We are the champions of the world!"

Match of the Night: Cesaro vs. Sheamus

Performer of the Night: Chris Jericho

Overall Thoughts: I honestly thought that the matches would deliver more than they did. Not everybody can have a barn-burner every night of the week, but the card looked really fucking good. My thoughts heading in were "RAW has shittier television but better PPVs; SmackDown has better television, but more banal PPVs." Well, Backlash blew this out of the water and their television has been better, and a lot of that has been built around Heath Slater.
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F4Wonline is reporting Seth Rollins got injured last night, possibly his ribs.
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F4Wonline is reporting Seth Rollins got injured last night, possibly his ribs.
Watching it now. If it's true, that gutbuster from the ropes did it.

EDIT: Also, still doing the frogsplash after that., Jesus.
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First thing Sheamus does after Cesaro lands on his head is put his hand under Cesaro's head for the ref to check him.
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Pretty disappointed to find Ride Along spoilers in this thread. Assholes.
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Good show, though. Clash of Champions, that is.
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Holy shit, I couldn't get through it. I saw the stereo spot where they both landed and posed in the middle of the ring and thought "Well, I'm done."
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• Match of the night for me was Sheamus/Cesaro but the way it finished was just so bad. Also, what was the point of the security guard going down with them and then just lying there like he had just been shot? He wasn't even mentioned by Cole & Co. and nobody went to check up on him, so it just made things look a bit silly.

The only thing I can think of for what happens next, is that Foley gives both men a shot at the United States Championship, so at Hell in a Cell we have a Triple Threat match. If that or something like that happens though, it'll be a bit on the annoying side as it'll mean the the last seven matches between Sheamus and Cesaro was completely pointless.

• What on earth was TJ Perkins' theme and what does it have to do with his character? A theme that distinctive has to be relatable to his character. Is he a video game character? Is he a video game addict? Does he think he's in a copy of WWF No Mercy when he wrestles? If none of those, then why does he have chiptune as his entrance theme?

I'm assuming that with his theme, his attire being in the style of those silly jodhpurs that I've seen people wearing recently and the fact he does that stupid pose that I've seen in "popular & internet culture", that his character is just a guy who's "really cool". And when is say "really cool", I mean "internet cool".

Last night was the first time I saw him in action and he really strikes me as being "Evan Bourne 2K16". The match was alright though but I can't help but feel a bit disappointed with the Cruiserweight Division so far but it is early days.

Also, what's with all the purple? It's getting to reach "Sin Cara Mood Lighting" heights of annoying now.

• In a weird way, I'm happy that Rusev lost the title. Rusev has been nothing but gold these past few months and I feel that with him no longer champion, that he can go on to better things, like being the Universal Champion. I'm still standing by my claim that Rusev will have won the Universal Championship by SummerSlam 2017.

Now that Reigns is US Champion, I'm curious to see what kind of champion he'll be. A part of me is hoping he'll do what Cena did when he was US Champion. I actually liked Cena during his US Title run. I think the US Championship will be good for Reigns and his relationship with the fans. Staying around the mid-card scene and being an upper-midcarder will probably help the fans cool off from hating him as much as they do. He'll always have his critics but I think some time with the US Championship will help him.

• Overall, the event was good, but with the fact that Raw is three hours long and so are Raw Branded PPVs, and add in that the stage is the exact same as Raw's, I don't get the feeling that I'm watching a PPV. Clash of Champions just felt like I was watching Raw but with less promos.

SmackDown Branded PPVs are kind of the same but what makes their PPVs feel like PPVs is that they're three hours long, whereas SmackDown is only two hours long, so it still has a little of that PPV feel to it. It also helps that SmackDown is genuinely enjoyable to watch.
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You're thinking too much Cool King. Just enjoy how "internet cool" the movez are.

No, I completely agree with you. Especially on the US Title. I feel that Rusev can move up now. I'm not entirely sure he will, but he's free to. He was getting nothing out of still holding that belt.

I've changed my mind on the ending to the Best of 7. It did a lot of detriment to the live crowd. I'm curious to see just what the plan is. An idea I heard floated was that they might put Sheamus and Cesaro together as a tag team -- which I don't particularly like, given that I think they've got enough teams; their problem is story -- but whatever.
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With Football and the Debate tonight I wonder if tonights raw will be the lowest rated.
I'm going to make the prediction that it is. Throw in the lack of urgency around the product. The football and debate will provide a convenient excuse for WWE when the rating comes back.
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Old 09-27-2016, 12:39 AM   #430
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I've changed my mind on the ending to the Best of 7. It did a lot of detriment to the live crowd. I'm curious to see just what the plan is. An idea I heard floated was that they might put Sheamus and Cesaro together as a tag team -- which I don't particularly like, given that I think they've got enough teams; their problem is story -- but whatever.

I watch a lot of older stuff that ends in no contest, and honestly, it would have fit in perfectly in that era, because they built to it tremendously, with the brutality steadily increasing, and both men getting more and more desperate.

But a no contest just doesn't work in this day and age, no matter how well it is executed.
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I think you're right there. And hearing the crowd react to them on RAW makes me think that this whole "forced team" thing is already dead in the water.
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Holy shit, I couldn't get through it. I saw the stereo spot where they both landed and posed in the middle of the ring and thought "Well, I'm done."
Yeah, there are people who get off on that stuff but it kills the drama for me. Neither guy is actively trying to win.
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A fairly long listen, but what Lance Storm says about Clash of Champions PERFECTLY sums up my feelings on it. How are guys really supposed to be excellent and stand out if they are doing the exact same things? If everyone is "good," how can anyone truly be great? No one transcends because everybody is on equal footing and brings the same philosophy to all their matches.

I was watching Clash and thought to myself "This is the same sort of stuff" several times throughout. Sasha and Sami used the same comeback at one point. I think they may have even been cut-off at the same point too. There were gourdbusters off the second rope twice during the show, everybody did a dive, there was ringside brawling for every match, and almost everyone kicked out of someone else's finisher. How can this possibly be suspenseful to people? I feel like Storm articulates what a large part of my problem with WWE has been lately.

That's one thing I really like about Rusev. The stuff with Reigns was more like an Attitude era main event, and it was a bit overbooked, but I'll remember Lana pulling out the referee for much longer than I will the particulars of just about everything else on the card, other than that Cesaro dive. And I've noticed that -- in what I've watched of him anyway -- that Rusev doesn't kick out of other guys' stuff. It took one AA to beat him at WrestleMania, and he didn't actually kick out of the Spear at the Clash. I don't know if that's his doing or what have you, but more and more I'm noticed that this guys does A LOT more with a lot less.
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I'll listen to that later. Lance Storm is a fan of Broken Matt, so he has good taste right now.
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