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Old 09-25-2016, 01:40 PM   #81
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He was in Road House
oh my god, i didn't even know that.

anyway, now by family guy logic he is definetely the greatest of all time
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Old 09-25-2016, 03:16 PM   #82
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Love the idea of the thread. Very good discussion.

He's a great worker, better talker, very influential and ground breaking.

I think you can make a case as him being the most under rated ever, and definitely top 10 bordering on top 5.

But at any point in his career he was never the best at any one thing.

He was a great talker but not as good as flair or piper. He was a good worker but not on par with the best. He was never he top draw.

He's great all around. He's like emmitt smith. Great, reliable, durable, a long run. But he was never as great as Barry sanders or Walter Payton. But very close to the top.
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Old 09-25-2016, 05:11 PM   #83
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Nonsense, they were all classics. Did you not like it because it was taker/h holding the spotlight from younger talent from another year or? Because as much as I want them to breakthrough none of them could've pulled off what taker and h did either year.
I agree with Ruien on this one.

That setup sucked the match was meh and it felt like HHH wanting to get his two cents in after his boyfriend HBK had two matches with Taker that were praised as being top shelf Mania matches.
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Old 09-25-2016, 08:52 PM   #84
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Nonsense, they were all classics. Did you not like it because it was taker/h holding the spotlight from younger talent from another year or? Because as much as I want them to breakthrough none of them could've pulled off what taker and h did either year.
The idea that Triple H is somehow The Undertaker's most frequent WrestleMania opponent is really weird to me. I didn't mind two Kane matches or two HBK matches -- Taker's most personal rivalry and his greatest rivalry. The idea of three Mania matches with Triple H seems overdone.

The Street Fight at Mania X-7 was pretty good. The other two felt like they were *trying* to be classics and couldn't quite get there. Sometimes just having a match is enough. Maybe matches against younger guys wouldn't have been *better*, but they may have been more enjoyable, if you can wrap your head around that concept.
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Old 09-26-2016, 05:23 AM   #85
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Just recently picked up the Blu-Ray of WM XXVIII, and while Taker/HHH Hell in a Cell wasn't as great as either Taker/HBK match, it was still an excellent one. I even enjoyed the bit of storyline they threw in about how 'Taker just wanted to be able to walk out after the match, something he wasn't able to do after one of his matches for the first time ever the year before @ WM XXVII.
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Oh, I forgot about that. They didn't give Triple H the pin, but he got to look visually superior to Taker by being the one who could walk the year before. Wow.
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Oh, I forgot about that. They didn't give Triple H the pin, but he got to look visually superior to Taker by being the one who could walk the year before. Wow.
That was the whole storyline for WMXXVIII. Don't turn this into another "Oh noes! HUNTER HAS HIS SHOVEL OUT!!" thing.
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That was the whole storyline for WMXXVIII. Don't turn this into another "Oh noes! HUNTER HAS HIS SHOVEL OUT!!" thing.
that all hhh haters have
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Old 09-27-2016, 02:17 AM   #89
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Well he's no Scott Norton.
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That was the whole storyline for WMXXVIII. Don't turn this into another "Oh noes! HUNTER HAS HIS SHOVEL OUT!!" thing.
Well, this *is* a thread about Terry Funk, and here the discussion has turned to HHH for some reason. If the quad tear fits...
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Old 09-27-2016, 02:23 AM   #91
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Well he's no Scott Norton.
... but then again, who is?
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That was the whole storyline for WMXXVIII. Don't turn this into another "Oh noes! HUNTER HAS HIS SHOVEL OUT!!" thing.
It being the whole story doesn't make it good. They could have just had Undertaker win. There was nothing necessitating Triple H walk out but Undertaker couldn't unless they were trying to force a third match, and I'd argue that they didn't need the second.
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... but then again, who is?
I thought who was neinhart
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To get to Funk first, I absolutely love the topic because I adore Funk's work. The guy is brilliant. The Empty Arena match is a great Funk one man show (especially the full thing), but I prefer the match at the Mid-South Coliseum that preceded it (with the countout finish). Not only a complete masterclass in being a great asshole, cowardly, cheapshot artist heel, but Lawler is such a superb babyface that all he has to do, and I'm not exaggerating here, is look at the crowd for two seconds after one of Funk's punches, and the entire crowd rises in excitement that the King is about to make the comeback. A great match, a match that feels like a fight, albeit a beautifully pro wrestling version.

The matches with Flair are tremendous as everybody knows, there are gems with Terry and Dory Jr. as a team in All Japan if you look for them, and some matches with Jumbo Tsuruta that are among of my favourites of his. The thing with Terry is that a lot of his better work comes from an era in Japan that most haven't seen. As a territorial heel that would go from place to place, you see sparks of him being awesome in Florida with Dusty or in Memphis with Lawler, but the place he feels most concentrated and prolonged is late 70s and early 80s in All Japan, and he's awesome. As has been said, he has an inate quality in him, something you can't teach in a performance centre, his voice, his demeaour, his timing, it's so perfect. I love him as a heel, but he's actually a great babyface as well with superb expressions. Just excellent.

Onto the other subject of Undertaker, after having a debate about him recently, I'm in agreement that he doesn't belong near a list of "Greatest of all Time". He's a big star, and he had periods of being very good, but I think he's overrated as a draw historically speaking. While the streak was a big deal to wrestling fans, there's no example where it drew outside the norm, and the WrestleMania where the streak was responsible for selling the show did the worst buyrate in 7 years. The streak was a big deal during a lot of years where something else was responsible for the buyrate: Trump at 23, Mayweather at 24, the Anniversary at 25, then Rock at 27, 28 and 29.
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I don't think this is measurable, but I still think the streak may have cost the company money long-run. A lot of guys lost spots and pushes because they wanted to book to a win-loss record of a guy that would have been a legend without it. I said some things that could be construed as negative about Triple H earlier, so I'll say something positive: I don't expect many to agree with me, but I'd have actually put Triple H over The Undertaker at WrestleMania X-7.

The streak wasn't yet a thing, and Triple H did distinctly feel like the #3 guy behind Austin and Rock. At No Way Out, Triple H had pinned Austin, and I suppose the idea was to push Triple H as the top babyface against heel Austin post-Mania, until they got cute and did the Power Trip.

But any way you cut it -- face or heel -- Triple H probably should have pinned The Undertaker at Mania X-7 for that cred. Jim Ross would have made a huge deal out of it, giving The Game credit for being the first man to beat The Undertaker and proving that, love him or hate him, the Cerebral Assassin finds a way. Taker winning doesn't really achieve anything. He does move on to Austin post-Mania, but it's very uninspiring, and he doesn't feel ripe for it. He's kind of...there at that point. Protected and important, but not as urgent as other acts. The obvious story is with Austin and Triple H, and Taker honestly feels like filler stepping in to chew through the next couple of months. It's something he could have done without beating Triple H.
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