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Old 10-02-2011, 10:45 AM   #361
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Yeah. The ending was too convenient, although the build up during the episode was good.
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Old 10-02-2011, 07:51 PM   #362
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Really liked this episode at first I thought it was brilliant how they made him find a loophole so he could more or less cheat death but now that I've had a chance to ponder on it I'm not sure that it actually entirely made sense. So anyways they brought up it was a fixed point in time so that totally nixed my own initial theory about merely rewriting history. He tried to do it for someone else before and time more or less corrected itself which almost inferred that time itself had awareness so how did he fool it by merely faking the events and it's after effects or is it just because he's a timelord and has some kind of immunity?
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Old 10-02-2011, 08:51 PM   #363
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I think it was a brilliant episode honestly and I did not expect the end at all as for my response to XCaliber above.

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To everyone else in the world at 5:02 on the 22nd of April in Utah, The Doctor was shot and killed. The only people who know he wasn't is River Song, Amy and Rory and now the headless guy whose name I am struggling to remember.
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Old 10-02-2011, 09:26 PM   #364
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I think it was a brilliant episode honestly and I did not expect the end at all as for my response to XCaliber above.

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To everyone else in the world at 5:02 on the 22nd of April in Utah, The Doctor was shot and killed. The only people who know he wasn't is River Song, Amy and Rory and now the headless guy whose name I am struggling to remember.
I know that FA but it's inconsistent with a past instance the example I was referring to was the episode called Waters Of Mars btw all he did was prolong the inevitible and time corrected itself as if it new it was being cheated.
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Old 10-02-2011, 10:06 PM   #365
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I know that FA but it's inconsistent with a past instance the example I was referring to was the episode called Waters Of Mars btw all he did was prolong the inevitible and time corrected itself as if it new it was being cheated.
I didn't see the episode. Did the doppleganger die differently? If not, there's nothing to say he didn't die initially too.

Waters of Mars is a bad example because the woman killed herself to defy the Doctor when SHE felt time had been threatened. After all his talk about immutability, about fixed points in time and how she had to die, he saunters in, declares himself above it, and as Donna said, someone needed to stop him.

Did time correct itself? Maybe. There's no real indication. SHE preserved the timeline by dying, and even still, it was inexorably altered. We saw the Wiki page.

The Doctor's reaction to all this made little sense, and might imply something was afoot in the cosmic sense. But it seems not. And even facing the inevitability of his own death, he tries to cheat it (Ten, not Eleven), so lesson learned? Probably not. Big point? Doubt it.

Again, this is without the specifics. Maybe there is something explicit that states the Doctor has to die, but I doubt it. How would anyone account for that? History wouldn't know him from the Flesh, especially since he was so careful as to burn the body. No evidence.

Going further back, it's even debatable as to whether he altered events at the Library with River Song. Like the Impossible Astronaut, it seems an example of a stable time loop. The Doctor does it now because he did it before. Time repeats itself. Wibbly Wobbly...Stuff. This seems to be a very common theme in New Who. Another example, Blink, where Wibbly Wobbly comes from. Stable time loop.

And even in Father's Day, the Doctor explicitly says the Time Lords had way of dealing with these creatures, so if time is sentient, it didn't do a very good job of coping. Time was generally preserved by choice.
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Old 10-12-2011, 10:09 AM   #366
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Yegads, the Flesh would have made more sense.
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Come to think of it did they ever reveal who's voice that it was supposed be in the Tardis near the end of the previous series or did I forget something?
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Come to think of it did they ever reveal who's voice that it was supposed be in the Tardis near the end of the previous series or did I forget something?
Nope.

Nor who hijacked it, if they weren't one and the same.

Nor the reason the TARDIS exploded.

It looks like they're serialising the entire 11th Doctor's run and playing the long game, but most of that seemed to be completely ignored for this part of the run. Annoying.
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Old 10-12-2011, 10:27 PM   #369
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At least there's the exciting prospect of the Doctor's newest eye candy to look forward to... unless they cop out and have it be River, which wouldn't be the worst thing, but still...
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Old 10-13-2011, 12:26 PM   #370
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At least there's the exciting prospect of the Doctor's newest eye candy to look forward to... unless they cop out and have it be River, which wouldn't be the worst thing, but still...
There were a couple from the past series that I would have liked to see be the new one including Lorna Bucket (Christine Chong) from A Good Man Goes to War but she was killed off unfortunately but that's not to say they couldn't recast as someone else like they did that with Freema Agyeman aka Martha Jones so there's a slim chance it may happen.
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Old 10-13-2011, 06:19 PM   #371
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I forgot Karen Gillan was a recast as well.

I felt like they were setting up something with Rita in the God Complex but she got offed too.
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Be honest, who sat down and awaited watching the latest episode this past saturday only to go.

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I forgot Karen Gillan was a recast as well.
I did a double take when I rewatched that episode (Fires of Pompeii?) and saw her name in the credits.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:28 AM   #374
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Here's a 2 part short for those outside the UK or weren't aware of there existence they're good for a few laughs:



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Old 10-14-2011, 11:13 AM   #375
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You mean the annual charity deal that will be a bonus on the DVDs and was covered ad nauseum this year by nerds due to lack of who content to discuss?

...I can see how people might have missed them.
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You mean the annual charity deal that will be a bonus on the DVDs and was covered ad nauseum this year by nerds due to lack of who content to discuss?

...I can see how people might have missed them.
I just found out about it yesterday only cuz I was on wikipedia so yeah it's actually good for some things lol there is also a short that a bunch of school kids wrote that ain't half bad but it was obviously reworked by the editors.
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At least it isn't a monster designed by a school kid.
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TBF, I hadn't seen that Red Nose Day short.
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Kinda wanna go back and re-watch from the start of the relaunch as I know there are epsiodes I have missed. Any idea how I can do this without buying the DVDs?
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I torrented them all.
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You mean the annual charity deal that will be a bonus on the DVDs and was covered ad nauseum this year by nerds due to lack of who content to discuss?

...I can see how people might have missed them.
I didn't know about this either.
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I torrented them all.
Ugh. That would take me years on my connection.
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Netflix?
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