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Old 09-29-2015, 04:50 PM   #1
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seth rollins is 18% of the way to pedro morales
How much weight do you guys put in to title reign length compared to number of reigns?

With no competition does it give rollins more security to build his character and credibility or does it make you think the only reason he is getting any kind of rub is because of relaxed booking?

When should seth drop the strap?
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Old 09-29-2015, 04:56 PM   #2
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I don't care about length more than quality. Seth has done a lot of jobbing. He's tread through a lot of water. Nothing about his reign has stood out or cemented him, other than how he won it.
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Old 09-29-2015, 07:21 PM   #3
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Whether his reign has been good or not, it has given Rollins himself a chance to improve. His matches are always great to watch, and he sounds so confident and comfortable on the mic. His post-Shield character is well-and-truly fleshed out as well. His time on top has really helped him develop both on-camera and off. He will likely end up a victim of bad booking over time, but once his reign is over, he'll be a lot more established as a star and able to hold his own as a character.

Plus, I don't care much for jobbing, as it's the story-telling I'm into. All his feuds have been fun and exciting. I've enjoyed his reign.
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Old 09-29-2015, 07:24 PM   #4
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Will he get a 2nd reign after this?
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Old 09-29-2015, 08:05 PM   #5
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Already broke the Miz's record for longest reign from a MitB cash-in but in terms of quality, Rollins reign has been pretty bad. Not soo much his fault but more of how badly booked he's been as champion.

Probably drops the belt by Survivor Series to either Lesnar, Cena, or Sheamus since all three are the easiest and laziest options for the WWE. Would be really surprised if he held it till the Rumble or even Mania.
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Old 09-29-2015, 08:25 PM   #6
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From a developmental standpoint, the increased tv and mic time has helped pushed him into a very versatile, well rounded t talent and he's more than comfortable and confident in his role.

I have no idea who he'd drop the belt to. Cena's been incredible as an upper mid card champion, and I find him incredibly refreshing in the role and feel it has plenty of legs.

No thanks in Sheamus. Lesnar is a great choice but I'm still adamant about him winning the Rumble and regaining the title at Mania.

If they do run a Triple H v Rollins angle, the Authority will need a successor to Rollins. I'd like that guy to be Roman Reigns.
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If a heel run can do for Roman what it has done for Rollins then holy shit.
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Shit reign, shit champion, shit booking. It's all shit.

At least he's shown up to the fights he's signed up for though. That's admirable.
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Lesnar is a great choice but I'm still adamant about him winning the Rumble and regaining the title at Mania.
What should happen
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Old 09-30-2015, 01:56 AM   #11
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Shit reign, shit champion, shit booking. It's all shit.

At least he's shown up to the fights he's signed up for though. That's admirable.
Yeah, he doesnt no show after talking crap. What kind of scumbag would no show?
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World class champion. I know he's lost a few matches to John Cena, Dean Ambrose, Ryback and Brock Lesnar, but it really doesn't matter, because he's the HEEL! He's not meant to be taken seriously. I'd like to know what happened to him after Kane dragged him to hell last week though. If he were a vanilla midget, I'd say he got dragged to Little People's Court, but given how hot his opening promos have been for the past 18 months, I don't think anything about the guy could be criticized.
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Can't wait until he gets a 133.33% of the way there.
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Old 09-30-2015, 12:30 PM   #14
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Is that 133.33% enough to beat Scott Steiner?
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Nope, 133.33% only spells disaster for Rollins
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Ditto. He's jobbed way too much, even for a heel champion. And jobbing cleanly. He's gotten his comeuppance so many times that it's lost its appeal. It's weird, because they've kind of booked him like a face in all the adversities he's had to face. It's just been odd.

I'd be fine with Brock beating him at WM to regain the strap. Give Rollins a competitive match, surprises people, might even allow him to turn face. But he does have a lot of great attributes as a heel, has a great flushed out character, fantastic nuanced mannerisms, and is good on the mic.
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I like a good, lengthy reign. Rollins has been doing great. He's been retaining like a true heel. It's been awesome.

I don't know what it is that makes people think that once you get the belt, you're supposed to be an unbeatable bad ass. That was NEVER Seth's character. The way that he won the title was supposed to piss everyone off, and the fact that he keeps retaining only adds to it all.
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I want Seth to retain all the way to Wrestlemania...and then retain again there.
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In the no competition/WWE Network era I think it certainly gives WWE and Rollins that security to build him up.

I think they should keep the strap on Rollins and gradually book him more as a babyface while simultaneously booking Reigns as a face but still giving some fans reasons to boo him. Eventually Triple H dangles the WWE World Heavyweight Championship carrot over Reigns and Reigns becomes more focused on chasing the title and has less time to aid Ambrose with the Wyatts.

In the big match Reigns is almost completely playing the heel to win but still can't. Then pull the trigger on the Rollins-Triple H feud when Triple H screws Rollins out of the title. Reigns aligns with Triple H and we see a nice double turn with a title change.

Then you can go any number of ways with Rollins chasing the title. Rollins realigning with Ambrose...The Rock confronting Reigns on his disapproval of aligning with Triple H. Have Rollins claiming he's going to finish what Sting started and eliminate The Authority. Rollins defeats Triple H at Mania and puts an end to The Authority (God I am so sick of H and Steph, its boring and been going on for FAR TOO LONG).

Then can still have the Reigns-Rock match with Reigns without the Authority squeaking out a win and then proceed to have Rollins free and clear to pursue Reigns for the championship.

Or stick HHH-The Rock together for Mania and go with Reigns-Rollins at Mania for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. You could even throw Ambrose in there to make it an all Shield Triple Threat.
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Old 10-01-2015, 10:24 AM   #22
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Rollins is an amazing chickenshit heel.
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Excatly how many times has rollins lost clean while champ? Once to cena and once to ambrose both were on raw. Were there others?
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But that's neither here nor there.
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He lost to Cena a few times cleanly, probably will again this Saturday.
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Everyone in the company has lost to Cena cleanly, though.
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Technically Cena holds pinfall wins over everyone in this thread.
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I dont think anyone is ready to take the ball and run with it on the babyface side. Unless of course they wanted to go with Brock as champion again, which I am 100% behind.

I like the idea of building up Mania to a Triple Threat between the 3 Shield guys. I would do a deal where HHH and Rollins begin to show they are not on the same page. Then you do something where Reigns wins the Rumble again, but its controversial, and you create a backdoor way for Ambrose to be added to the match via the Network Special in February. Then you do a deal where Rollins makes a big deal about how he wants to do this on his own, doesnt want The Authority helping him, he wants to prove he's the man from The Shield once and for all. As Mania draws near, HHH and Stephanie reveal that one of the other two guys have reached out to The Authority to become the new face of the WWE. Reigns and Ambrose build tension, Reigns accuses Ambrose and vice versa. Ultimately they decide that Rollins is stirring the pot, and he's really the one who's going to have The Authority in his corner, despite what he's been saying. Then at Mania, Reigns is the one who aligns himself with Trips and Steph, but in the process Rollins would have had the match won which will help move him to the babyface side.
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Old 10-02-2015, 02:42 AM   #33
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Champions should justify their reign by being credible and making the title look like something worth winning and not something any glorified jobber can hold. If they're a chicken shit heel, they should be the best at it and constantly win via dubious, chicken shit tactics. He should still be credible even if he's a filthy cheater.

The title itself is a draw on a guy like Lesnar because he seems unbeatable. In his case it's because he's a fucking monster. So you wanna see who can possible figure out how to overcome him. Rollins should be the best chicken shit cheater in the world. He should win constantly because of it. To the point where figuring beating him actually seems like a daunting task. Not something Jamie Noble can do. If your champion is just gonna job left and right, you might as well throw the title on Heath Slater.
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Frankly I think that assessment of Rollins is out to lunch. I wouldn't call Rollins a chicken shit heel, he's just a heel champion. You're heel champion cant win match after match clean, otherwise they become a babyface really quickly.

Rollins won the title at Mania clean, he just used an underhanded tactic to do it (although he had the right to). For me, he's done what just about every heel champion does. He beats guys clean who are clearly beneath him (Ambrose, Sting, Kane upcoming) and he needs help for the babyfaces they want him to retain against (Cena, Lesnar primarily).

I dont know, I dont see how that's much different than just about any heel champion in the history of the business. Unless its a heel that was being groomed to turn babyface, then thats a different story.

As usual, its hating on the booking for the sake of being a hater.
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I used "chicken shit heel" because that seems to be the general consensus and I don't necessarily disagree with it. Definitely not enough to argue the point in a discussion where it wasn't really relevant. The point was WHATEVER kind of heel he is, credibility in some way is still important to justify him being champion.

And as far as "he beats the guys clean who are clearly beneath him", are you forgetting those two guys you mentioned who are "clearly beneath him" that he has already beaten clean also beat him clean just as much? How exactly is he clearly above them now? Being 50/50 or worse against a guy who's "clearly beneath" you is definitely WWE logic.
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I can't even read CyNick's posts anymore. Reading #fan's though, I completely agree with him. "Chickenshit" heels lose all their heat once you have the good guy catch them and beat them up. Rollins spends enough time getting beaten that it now has no consequence.
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I used "chicken shit heel" because that seems to be the general consensus and I don't necessarily disagree with it. Definitely not enough to argue the point in a discussion where it wasn't really relevant. The point was WHATEVER kind of heel he is, credibility in some way is still important to justify him being champion.

And as far as "he beats the guys clean who are clearly beneath him", are you forgetting those two guys you mentioned who are "clearly beneath him" that he has already beaten clean also beat him clean just as much? How exactly is he clearly above them now? Being 50/50 or worse against a guy who's "clearly beneath" you is definitely WWE logic.
To me, part of being an effective heel champion is to make the audience think that you dont deserve to have the spot you have. And its just booking 101 to give babyfaces non title wins over heel champions in order to build up the future title match. In the end, the heel champ wins by hook or by crook. Thats what I see from Rollins. I dont think its unique.

If you book him to just kill guys, like Lesnar was booked for example, he will get cheered, like Lesnar did. Obviously WWE doesnt want Rollins to be a face yet, so he has to be booked as a vulnerable champion.
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I can't even read CyNick's posts anymore. Reading #fan's though, I completely agree with him. "Chickenshit" heels lose all their heat once you have the good guy catch them and beat them up. Rollins spends enough time getting beaten that it now has no consequence.
When did you become such a bore?

The idea of the heel champion is you want to see them lose the belt. Rollins keeps escaping with the title. Its pretty much a standard in like all storytelling where you have a villain and a hero.
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