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Old 12-28-2014, 08:39 AM   #1
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If not Roman Reigns, then who?
Just curious to see what you guys think on this - listening to the Observer Radio this past week they were talking about how Roman doesn't feel like he has the momentum to be the guy to carry the company just yet, and how he's got big shoes to fill since the idea is for him to be the guy. But it begs the question - since it is time for a new top babyface, if Reigns fails, who else is around that could actually fill that spot? Think Bryan or Ziggler would be enough?




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Old 12-28-2014, 09:17 AM   #2
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Old 12-28-2014, 10:23 AM   #3
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Bryan if he can. Ziggler if he can't.
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Old 12-28-2014, 10:44 AM   #4
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Ziggler has been consistently over since his debut. He's got a great look and is one of the best in the ring and on the mic. He may never be the elite "face of the company" guy like Steve Austin or John Cena, but he could easily carry the company like Shawn Michaels in 96/97, until the next Austin or Cena comes along.
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Survivor Series was also an amazing starting point for a road to the title story for him, but WWE is still going with driftwood.
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Old 12-28-2014, 11:20 AM   #6
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Old 12-28-2014, 11:40 AM   #7
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Ryback. I don't understand how the trigger hasn't been pulled on him. He's got an entertaining personality, he's definitely over and history has shown, especially in the WWE that fans love wrecking machine faces. His work has gotten better. Not 5 star matches or anything, but he's good enough in the ring. They completely screwed up his first run worse than any push I can remember, when it was so friggen simple to book him. I doubt he's going over Rusev, but it would nice to see what they can actually do with Ryback on a slow build.....kinda like they are doing with Rusev.
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Ambrose, Ryback, and a Wade Barrett return all sound infinitely more interesting and compelling than anything having to do with Reigns.
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Ryback, Ambrose, Wyatt, Cesaro, Ziggler and Rollins are all on my short list of guys more preferable than Reigns.
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Old 12-28-2014, 02:55 PM   #10
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I'm curious as to why now is deemed the time for a new top babyface? Cena has been stale for a long time, numbers have been relatively stagnant for a while.

Also, kinda laughable they think they can just pull the trigger on someone and *BANG* new top babyface when they've failed to cement somebody at the top of the card for so long.

I'm not against Reigns being the guy, but I don't think he's ready and here's why; it has to be a natural progression to being that top guy, a ground-swell of support, a solid fan-base built over the course of time, the respect that comes with putting the time in.

Bret, Michaels, Austin, Rock, HHH, Foley, Punk (to name a few of the guys to crack the top) all had years in the business and their rise to prominence took time. Cena and Batista didn't really have the tenure but they had the entire crowd pulling for them to make it - and maybe the audience wasn't as savvy as to when they were being force-fed something as they may be now.

Reigns has been on the scene 2 years, spent most of that time as the hot tag guy in a three man stable, when that stable split he wasn't given anything new to work with - same attire, same theme, same entrance. I've never seen a crowd die as much as when Reigns is taking a beating; maybe they're just waiting for the inevitable comeback, safe in the knowledge that he'll win in the end - yet the same could be said of Cena and he gets a reaction.

Bryan was the guy to have put the tenure in; he wrestled around the world on the independent scene before working his way through the ranks of WWE, he won the respect of the crowd with his hard work and athleticism, he added to his character during his work with Kane and his heel run as WHC, then he booked them with the "YES!" phenomimon to point where management couldn't deny him anymore; he was a true "People's Champion". Then he got injured. I think they've every chance to pick up where they left off with him IF he's healthy enough to dethrone Lesnar at Mania.

Failing that, the closest we have now is Ziggler.
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I think Ambrose is a solid choice. He's been getting consistent reactions since the breakup, has put on great matches and cuts great promos. I'm pulling for Ziggler, but Ambrose is a close second for me. Feel like he's a total package.
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Old 12-28-2014, 04:09 PM   #12
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Ziggler seems like he's the backup plan with how focused the WWE is into his push this time. Could easily just have been another case of the IC belt doing nothing but he's been winning matches and gaining momentum with it.

Also the chance for a possible title vs title match if the WWE were to keep the IC title on him by then.
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Old 12-28-2014, 04:18 PM   #13
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Ryback definitely. How WWE seems to "get it" with him enough to keep pushing him but then clearly doesn't get it enough to follow through with any of the pushes just doesn't make any fucking sense.
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You could say that for about 3 to 4 other guys.
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Old 12-28-2014, 05:32 PM   #16
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The sad thing is, there is no one. No one has been built strongly enough to be that "new guy." No one really seems right to take the ball and dethrone Lesnar at Mania. My first picks would probably be Dolph or Bryan, but in reality, neither of them is really the "superstar" that the WWE has always pushed as their main guy.

Nobody really has that big time charisma factor. It's a sad state, to be honest.
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Ryback definitely. How WWE seems to "get it" with him enough to keep pushing him but then clearly doesn't get it enough to follow through with any of the pushes just doesn't make any fucking sense.
Is Ryback genuinely what you would want? Or is he the answer in terms of WWE "needing to push a big, muscled up guy cos that's what brings ratings"?

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Ryback would be fine down the line, but like Reigns he really doesn't have the momentum at the moment. Ziggler would be my pick.
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I feel like that, if Ryback could work as well as Reigns does, or if Reigns had Ryback's natural ability to get the fans behind him, Vince wouldn't have any problems right now.

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Who would not want Ryback? Dude is full of charisma and is a fucking beast.
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I'll take Dolph over Ryback he's charismatic enough I suppose and has the WWE look but he is nothing I'd really want to constantly watch ring-wise whereas Ziggler has been bringing it for a loooong time (a few years now) and could absolutely be the man.

Ambrose is a given so nothing to say about him.

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Went to a house show last weekend and the crowd was BY FAR hotter for Jack Swagger (who was facing Rusev) than they were for Roman Reigns (who was facing Kane in the main event).

Hell, the crowd was a tiny bit hotter for The New Day (versus Miz/Mizdow) than they were for Reigns. I'm sure that was NOT what WWE officials wanted to hear for a recently returned "Future Face of the Company".
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Dolph. You can't go wrong. Great matches, has the mic skills. They should just have him win the Rumble and go from there. Ryback ...no. Maybe as champion down the line but not the main guy.
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Dean Ambrose.

I feel like he's the most naturally charismatic, has the best skill set and is not afraid to go out there and improvise and/or do anything to be entertaining/steal the show, and has the most edge, ala Austin/Rock 98-2002.

Next up I guess I'd have to go with Ziggler, probably the second most naturally charismatic and skilled.

After that I'd say Rollins. Also very charismatic though not as sure he's as natural as maybe Ambrose or Ziggler but he's a VERY close 3rd.

I can't really say Wyatt, especially not in his current gimmick. I feel like he can be a top guy in the company but he needs to stay out of the spotlight in terms of media, press, interviews, etc., to protect his character, mystery, aura, ala Taker, Kane.
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Ambrose would definitely be the best choice. Ziggler and D-Bry are both great, but I'd put them more in the Michaels/Bret camp. Realistically based on WWE's track record I'd say Ryback is the most likely to actually get it. However, Ryback isn't ideal. He's definitely better than Reigns by miles, but he's not face of the company material.
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Of course.not Roman Reigns. Its The RYBACK BIG GUY who will takeover
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Honestly, any of these guys could be considered main eventers and they could all help carry the company. Kind of like when Rock & Austin both left in 2003, essentially at the same time, you basically had several guys carrying the company at that point and not one BIG star.

They had Lesnar, Angle, Taker, HHH, HBK, Eddie, Orton, Batista and Edge. I suppose you could argue that HHH or Taker was the company guy at that point but I don't think you can say anyone in the main event scene at that time carried the company or was truly pushed like Rock, Austin, Hogan or Cena were in comparison.

There's no reason they couldn't go back to this with the roster they have now. In fact, I'd argue it would help these guys get even more over and could help to organically create a new top dog in the company. It's really not hard, just let the fans decide who the top guy or guys are instead of trying to awkwardly force and script EVERYTHING.
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Is Ryback genuinely what you would want? Or is he the answer in terms of WWE "needing to push a big, muscled up guy cos that's what brings ratings"?

Honest question.
He is definitely the most entertaining option for someone who is not stuck deep into an ROH "anti-establishment" mindset and remembers the little things that make wrestling awesome. Guys like him bring in ratings for a reason.
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He is definitely the most entertaining option for someone who is not stuck deep into an ROH "anti-establishment" mindset and remembers the little things that make wrestling awesome. Guys like him bring in ratings for a reason.
I dunno. Granted I haven't been watching much recently but I'm not an ROH fan by any means but I just can't take Ryback seriously. All I think of when I see/hear him on tv now is this guy's a muscled up dumb jock meat head who can't even put two sentences together.

I never felt that way about Hogan, Big Show, Taker, Kane, Lesnar. I also didn't feel that way about Reigns at first, but I now view Reigns almost the same way I view Ryback.

I'm not denying their in ring ability to entertain, but to me I need more than that (charisma, story, mic work, etc.), just like I needed more than Hogan dropping a leg, Goldberg spearing the crap outta people, Benoit's great technical ability or Rey's awesome lucha libre matches.
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Old 12-29-2014, 07:58 AM   #34
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Ambrose, Bryan, Wyatt, Ziggler, Cesaro (w/ Heyman), Rollins (w/ Heyman), etc, etc.

You can add Ryback on that list too, I just personally can't stand him. Not saying he is "bad", but dear god he comes across like a fucking meat head, which just makes it impossible for me to like him. And I mean his character. His character seems so fucking dumb it is irritating.
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Genuinely don't see the appeal in Ryback.
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Old 12-29-2014, 08:44 AM   #36
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Saw the appeal in heel Ryback. Not a fan of one dimensional "feed me more" Ryback. Limits his charisma.
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Used to not like Ryback at all. Now I can kinda tolerate him as long as he isn't cutting a long promo. Some guys don't need to talk a lot. Roman Reigns is one of these people.
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THE RYBACK by far. Nothing to say about him that hasn't already been said really but I think he's by far the best choice
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You don't need to be an amazing talker to be the face of the company. Honestly, if Lesnar stuck around and appeared once a month, he'd be perfect.

Look at MMA (bad comparison, I know), but the guys who are super popular there aren't always the most charismatic or the best talkers, but they are badasses. That is why I think someone like Cesaro could do well, if you just let him go out and have amazing matches, come across like a badass, and let him push a bit of his personality through.

They are waiting for the 4th coming of Hogan (3rd coming of Austin/Rock, 2nd coming of Cena), but there just isn't that person right now. So you have to work with what you have.

With that said, dark horse candidate... Sami Zayn. He really is the most empathetic face in the company. He is the true "good guy" in a company of "good guys" who are really just assholes.
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Genuinely don't see the appeal in Ryback.
Same here, Rusev doesn't speak English and is a better choice, but my choice would be Swagger.
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