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Old 07-06-2008, 10:19 PM   #1881
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I had it a draw, but 3 and 4 IMO could have gone either way. I gave Forrest #2 10-8 because he did almost stop the fight with those leg kicks and Rampage was just trying to hang on and did nothing in the way of offense.

It was a close entertaining fight, cant believe anyone is overly upset at the decision. Even the 49-46 score, which I think was wrong, still could have made sense, because most people thought Forrest won round 2 and Rampage won 1, and the other 3 were up in the air.

For the record, Meltzer said the reaction for Forrest in the arena was good when he won, just the negative people were louder I guess.

Sounded like the undercard was better than the main card (Cole Miller and Corey Hill apparently had good fights)
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I agree with 49-46, really good fight and I would LOVE to see a rematch.
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No way. Silva doesn't deserve a title shot. Rampage rematch or Liddell vs. Evans winner. As much as it pains me to say it, Lyoto Machida deserves a shot before Silva.


The only way Silva was getting a shot was if Rampage held the title. Now Rampage might have to beat Silva to get back to it which would be very homosexual in my opinion. Silva is up 2-0 on rampage and the only way they should do the match is if rampage is the champ.
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I agree with 49-46, really good fight and I would LOVE to see a rematch.
You're saying Rampage only won 1 round?


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Pride doesn't count in the UFC though even though they own it. No way are they gonna build Rampage as a guy who lost twice to Silva.
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You're saying Rampage only won 1 round?
I could definitely see how someone could say that yeah. The fourth round was the only one he undeniably won. The only other round I can see and argument for is the first because he almost stopped the fight, but that was still only one punch with the rest of the round going to Forrest.

Pretty irrelevent in any case. That fight was neck in neck, but Forrest looked better from where I was sitting.
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I absolutely can't see you're point here.
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Point: 49-46 isn't unreasonable.
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I very much disagree.
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Not really trying to start some big debate here, but what rounds would you give Rampage?
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1,3,5 and I wouldn't give Forrest the 2nd 10-8.
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No shit?

Damn. Me and a buddy were watching it and at then end of the second we both said 10-8 Forrest. So I dunno.

1,3,5, though. Crazy, I'd give Rampage 4 easy. Dunno. :shrug:
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Honoustly I'm hoping for Jackson V Liddell (loved there Pride 2003 Final Conflict fight) or if Liddell wins against Rashad, go with Jackson V Wanderlei (round 3), Liddell V Forrest, and either Rashad or Jardine V Lyoto.
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No way. Silva doesn't deserve a title shot. Rampage rematch or Liddell vs. Evans winner. As much as it pains me to say it, Lyoto Machida deserves a shot before Silva.
I was talking with my brother yesterday and said pretty much the same thing.. It should def be the winner of Liddell/Rashad.. I mean Liddell pretty much made the LHW title and was the one who lost it to Jackson.. And Rashad is still undefeated in the toughest weightclass in any promotion in MMA history..

I could also see Machida getting a shot..

Fuck a Wanderlei..
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Pride doesn't count in the UFC though even though they own it. No way are they gonna build Rampage as a guy who lost twice to Silva.
They did it with Liddell/Rampage though.. The built upm that fight based on Chuck losing to Rampage in Pride.. But I guess at the time alot of casual (American) MMA fans didn't really know who Rampage was so, I dunno..
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Seems like this is tailor made for Liddell to get the next shot, assuming he can beat Evans. Then they can possibly do Rampage vs Wand as a top contenders fight.

If Rashad wins, then I could see them giving the shot to Wand believe it or not, or maybe go right back to the rematch between Forrest and Rampage.

Machida needs one more win to really cement himself as the #1 contender, but it has to be against a top 5 guy. So someone like Wand or Shogun IMO would make sense.
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No way. Silva doesn't deserve a title shot. Rampage rematch or Liddell vs. Evans winner. As much as it pains me to say it, Lyoto Machida deserves a shot before Silva.
I know, I was just amused by the idea of Forrest getting rape choked with one hand and getting punched out with the other (ala Jardine).

But yes, 'Page does deserve the rematch.
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Silva couldn't beat Forrest's meat..

As much as he might want to..
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I was going to say the exact same thing. Plus even the casual fans are going to realize that rampage is 0-2 against wanderlei. When they were hyping silva and liddel, they were showing clips of rampage getting beat down by silva and they hyped the match as the guy that beat rampage twice.
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I was going to say the exact same thing. Plus even the casual fans are going to realize that rampage is 0-2 against wanderlei. When they were hyping silva and liddel, they were showing clips of rampage getting beat down by silva and they hyped the match as the guy that beat rampage twice.
Its wierd how they do it. They will not totally ignore the history from Pride, but they tell the story that suits their purposes.

For example, when talking about Liddell-Jackson, you only really hear about the UFC 71 fight, you dont hear them say "and now Jackson is 2-0 against Liddell".

However, I would bet if they do Liddell-Jackson 3, they will play up the fact that this is huge for Liddell because he's had two loses in his career to Jackson in the Countdown show. But on the commercials to the mass audience, they will just talk about Jackson taking Liddell's title, not the backstory from Pride days.

Then, if Liddell wins that third fight, and they want to sell a rubber match (UFC), the Pride fight will be largely forgotten.
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Just watched it with another freind and he scored it 47-47. (Gave round 2 10-8 Griffen.)

Great fight though. They have to have a rematch in the near future.
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1,3,5 and I wouldn't give Forrest the 2nd 10-8.
I'd say Forrest won the round 10-8.

Round three was the only one that was hard to score.
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I just finished the Jackson/Griffin fight and scored it like this:

Round 1: 10-9 JACKSON
Rampage did more damage despite not being a constant grind. The last 90 seconds gave Rampage the round and hurt Forrest.

Round 2: 10-7 GRIFFIN
Utter domination on the ground by Griffin on Jackson and leg kicks that did their job.

Round 3: 10-9 JACKSON
Rampage dodged and blocked a lot of the blows, and hit Griffin harder until the tail end of the fight. The last flurry wasn't enough for Forrest to overcome the power of the strikes by Rampage.

Round 4: 10-9 JACKSON
Rampage and Forrest went to-to-toe in this round. I barely give the edge to Rampage just because he got out of the triangle with that slam and got the good opening slam in while Forrest got his licks in, but was on the defense for a lot of the round.

Round 5: 10-9 GRIFFIN
The first 2 minutes of the fight were giving the slight edge to Griffin. From 3:30 to 3:00 it was Rampage. From 3:00-1:40 was Griffin. The last 90 seconds were split for me. The last 45 seconds were all Rampage except for the last little burst from Griffin.

Winner: GRIFFIN 47-46
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Am I supposed to score it 10-9 just because he moved a little, or just because he is one of UFC's big draws?
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I don't think Silva would beat Griffin right now. I can see it being very similar to the Rua fight. People are still under rating Forrest Griffin. Man has big time skills now.

As for the fight Saturday, enough people are scoring round 2 10-8 that I'm not really gonna argue it now. Still disagree but whatever. Rampage only winning 1 round is insane talk though.

Future title shot. Here's my preferences in order:

1 - Jackson rematch.
2 - Evans vs. Liddell winner. Evans has enough wins now and is undefeated and if he beats Liddell, that's enough to warrant a title shot instantly.
3 - ABM

Anyone But Machida!!!

Dana White is saying that they will probably go with the rematch first. I'm fine with this. The lack of rematches has hurt guys before. Should go with whatever is hot and fuck promising people title matches.
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Am I supposed to score it 10-9 just because he moved a little, or just because he is one of UFC's big draws?
Was he on the verge of losing? No. 10-8 at a real stretch. 10-7 in your dreams pal.
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Old 07-07-2008, 06:10 PM   #1911
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Was he on the verge of losing? No. 10-8 at a real stretch. 10-7 in your dreams pal.
Rampage wasn't doing anything in that round, but trying to survive. He should get 8 points just because Forrest didn't go in for the kill?
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10-8 yes, 10-7 no chance.
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I don't think Silva would beat Griffin right now. I can see it being very similar to the Rua fight. People are still under rating Forrest Griffin. Man has big time skills now.

As for the fight Saturday, enough people are scoring round 2 10-8 that I'm not really gonna argue it now. Still disagree but whatever. Rampage only winning 1 round is insane talk though.

Future title shot. Here's my preferences in order:

1 - Jackson rematch.
2 - Evans vs. Liddell winner. Evans has enough wins now and is undefeated and if he beats Liddell, that's enough to warrant a title shot instantly.
3 - ABM

Anyone But Machida!!!

Dana White is saying that they will probably go with the rematch first. I'm fine with this. The lack of rematches has hurt guys before. Should go with whatever is hot and fuck promising people title matches.

So, you are admitting that UFC will book what will draw more than a legitimate contender? Interesting, for a legitimate sport.
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When did I admit that?

And for the record, I do think that if contenders aren't exciting to watch then they shouldn't get title shots. Why the fuck would anyone want Lyoto Machida as their champion? His fights suck a dick and NOBODY wants to pay to watch him fight. Your champions and contenders need to be people your viewing people want to pay to watch. Whether you like that or not, that's the facts. Who was the last boring boxing champion that people paid to see?

Exactly the same as wrestling. You pay to see the stars.
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When did I admit that?

And for the record, I do think that if contenders aren't exciting to watch then they shouldn't get title shots. Why the fuck would anyone want Lyoto Machida as their champion? His fights suck a dick and NOBODY wants to pay to watch him fight. Your champions and contenders need to be people your viewing people want to pay to watch. Whether you like that or not, that's the facts. Who was the last boring boxing champion that people paid to see?

Exactly the same as wrestling. You pay to see the stars.
Then it has no claim to being a legitimate sport. If the everything but the fight itself is full of bullshit...then it isn't legitimate. So you are saying that if there is an MMA fighter who kicks everybody's ass and is undefeated, but it is "boring" to the mass, he shouldn't get a title shot because he can't make money for Dana White?

No wonder UFC needed the rub of following WWE when it debuted TUF, because UFC is no fucking different than the UFC.
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Of course. And Machida isn't kicking everyone's arse. That's the point.

So boxing can't be a sport either right? Every single big fight in the history of the sport has been built up by hype. Machida has yet to beat a top 10 fighter anyway. Tito Ortiz was a borderline top 10 fighter really. And just about all the top 205lbs fighters don't want to fight Machida because he sucks a cock.
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That's Rob's opinion only though..I would hate to see Machida as champ also..but if he keeps winning he'll get a title shot regardless. Unless of course all of a sudden Dana starts up shit with another contract dispute on purpose so he won't get a title shot lol.
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Dave Meltzer chimes in about the scoring controversy:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns
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