05-21-2007, 03:37 AM | #121 |
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Also, it's still early days so there may be some more changes within the year to the exact look.
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05-21-2007, 03:40 AM | #122 |
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Just if anyone is curious, this is what Joker looks like now, in the comics:
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05-21-2007, 03:47 AM | #123 |
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I don't want it so realistic that they comprimise the thing is all. He's using theatrics and the whole clown thing as a gimmick, just like Batman is. That's fine. He's going to be portrayed as a maniac I hope, which is fine. But the Joker needs to be maniacal and upbeat with a shit eating grin/evil twist. If they go for a moping depressed mime it's no good. I think that they're trying to get away from Nicholson and Hammil so much that they're actually moving away from what the Joker really is, because whether they like it or not they were in large part on par with it.
Theres much more they can explore, and a different direction can be taken, but you can only get so different when you're dealing with the same character. Yes he's sadistic and twisted, but he's also The fuckin Joker. It's too early to tell, but it'd be a terrible mistake to go too heavily for one aspect. The thing I dislike most is probably the messy makeup on the smile, and the heavy racoon eyeshadow. And most of all, even though it's only one picture, the fact that he isn't smiling. I like the chelsea smile, but he had better have green hair and a splash of purple somewhere to go with it. I just want to see Joker smiling, not trying to look like some depressed harlequin's myspace. I can't judge it all til I see it, but I think Nolan tries to get TOO realistic at times. One of Batman's better qualities has always been it's realistic roots, and its presence in the legal world full of corruption. But at the end of the day, it's a story about a billionaire ninja who dresses as a Bat and fights mobsters with gimmicks. |
05-21-2007, 03:49 AM | #124 | |
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Yea but that's now. They're claim is that they're going for what he came across as in The Killing Joke and his first few appearances (see pics above), which I think is a great move characterwise and thematically. But as for the look, it's not on par to say the least. |
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05-21-2007, 03:51 AM | #125 |
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You read The Killing Joke? Good shit that is.
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05-21-2007, 03:58 AM | #126 |
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People are assuming a whole lot from this single pic (and there is some possibility that this is another elaborate fake). Personally, I like what I see so far. I think the Joker should look scary and psychotic. Doesn't matter how he looks tho if the performance isn't there, so I'll reserve total judgment till the flick is out.
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05-21-2007, 03:59 AM | #127 |
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Full pic on the website is revealed by the way. I find it a bit odd that WB would put out a clear pic of the Joker more than a year before the movie comes out...
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05-21-2007, 04:00 AM | #128 |
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Yes. I read it a few years ago, I'd like to again. Same with Long Halloween, the year one storyline, Dark Knight returns and a few others. I should pick them up sometime this year. I've always been a big Batman fan and semi-expert, even though I'm not a diehard regular reader. I never regularly read the Batman regular titles, but my whole life I've been a fan. I've read the comics off and on here and there, but have always kept up on his dealings and history.
I of course was way into the movies (for better and for worse), and the animated series and his entire history and mythology. I know all about it. But yea, Joker has always been one of, if not THE, best comic villian in my eyes, so I look at this thing with high expectations I suppose. I have faith in Ledger and Nolan, but I just didn't like what I've seen so far. Of course all I've seen is that pic, so hopefully and likely it will change. |
05-21-2007, 04:02 AM | #129 | |
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I'm sure they'll milk him for all he's worth. Even Raimi's attempted Venom secrecy couldn't avoid the marketing machine. That lasted a long time of course, and I agree a year early is kinda soon to see stuff. |
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05-21-2007, 04:09 AM | #130 |
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Ledger can hopefully deliver his performance. It's all on him ultimately like you guys have said. He certainly has the right look. He's tall, skinny and seems to have a big shit eating grin. He also seems to have the right edge and darkside to him. As for his acting ability, he is of course talented and seems to be good at what he does. That's why I have faith.
The only thing that scares me is that in anything I've ever seen him in he has been pretty serious, deep voiced, a tad stern and of few words. He's also been kinda stiff on the personality side in anything I've ever seen him. Of course these may be the roles he's been cast in or that I've seen, but these properties are the exact opposite of what he's gonna need to convey for this role. Hopefulyl he has the ability to let loose, be maniacal, frightening, comically elequent and animated, yet deep and dark with his performance. |
05-21-2007, 04:12 AM | #131 |
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I love Long Halloween. So good.
But I get where you're coming from about The Joker and everything. Very understandable. |
05-21-2007, 04:20 AM | #132 |
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No matter what Nolan's interpretation of Joker is, or how quality Ledger's performance is in the role, I think that The Joker will in this movie, and in anything else always live in the shadow of Nicholson in 1989. It is just so larger than life with people that to the average person it has become synonymous with the character. As fans, things can change or opinions can vary. But to the casual Batfan or movie goer/kid, Nicholsons Joker strikes a cord that doesnt really have much to do with it's fidelity to the comics or mythos. Unlike Batman where some people think West, some think Keaton or Kilmer, and now with a new generation some think Bale. Batman has become kind of a James Bond character in terms of what the role is and the actors who play him.
That's bittersweet of course, since sadly almost every Joker interpretation will forever be judged against Nicholsons and likely live within it's shadow regardless of it's difference or quality. That's the bitter. The sweet of course is that there's a version of The Joker that is so endearing and classic out there. Regardless of problems fans may have with the role or performances accuracy to the comic books, it's pretty clear that it's an amazing performance. Last edited by Jeritron; 05-21-2007 at 04:22 AM. |
05-21-2007, 04:25 AM | #133 |
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Hey now, let's give props where they're due...
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05-21-2007, 04:29 AM | #134 |
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We also have no idea about exactly when the look in this pic is supposed to happen. Suppose this is right after his chemical accident or whatever, and he spruces himself up later in the movie.
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05-21-2007, 04:36 AM | #135 |
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A note about the Batman role and it's various actors:
Today I was telling a friend about Heath Ledger and Aaron Eckhart as Joker and Two Face respectively and he asked "So is Bale still Batman?" This question made me realize just how expected it is from the general public for the Batman actor to change. It probably will eventually. How many are Nolan and Bale signed on for? I would think 3, maybe 4 tops. But to think WB is smart enough to leave the series untouched and on a high note is foolish. Batman will of course be recast and reworked down the road just as it's being done now, but it will probably even be recasted and reworked in the near future within this current series continuity. Just like Burton and Keaton, Nolan and Bale will probably get canned after 3 because their realistic approaches aren't selling enough action figures or getting happy meal deals. A shame really. |
05-21-2007, 07:05 AM | #136 |
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Heath Ledger as the Joker... Apparently. |
05-21-2007, 07:52 AM | #137 |
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what this scarring technique also allows them to do is let the joker still give the appearance that he is smiling and clown, but yet still give Heath full movement of his lips...unlike 89's Batman, with the permanent grin....and when Heath does put his big goofy smile in, its going to be like "wow, there it is" yet still allow him times to be a little angrier and show different emotions
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05-21-2007, 08:07 AM | #138 |
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05-21-2007, 08:08 AM | #139 |
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05-21-2007, 08:20 AM | #140 | |
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dude that's a fake. You google imaged Joker I'm assuming... |
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05-21-2007, 08:36 AM | #141 |
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No I lifted it from Ledger's site
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05-21-2007, 08:45 AM | #142 |
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Although now you mention it I remember seeing something very similar before, so you're probably right. Dunno why Ledger would put it up on his site, but whatever.
God only knows if this is legit http://www.myspace.com/ibelieveinharveydenttoo |
05-21-2007, 09:15 AM | #143 |
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Definitely too early to be bitching about a joker we've barely seen.
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05-21-2007, 09:33 AM | #144 |
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http://www.dailynews.com/celebrities/ci_5943152
Anthony Michael Hall in Dark Knight...what the hell role could they be keeping such a tight lip on? |
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05-21-2007, 10:04 AM | #146 |
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I considered the Riddler...but i figured the 3rd movie would be primarily about Two Face with the Joker on trial maybe?
wonder how another villian would play into this |
05-21-2007, 10:08 AM | #147 |
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From what I remember Joker goes on trial at the end of the 2nd and does the whole acid in the face dealy leading to Two-Face in #3.
Maybe AMH is going to be the updated Bob |
05-22-2007, 12:20 AM | #148 |
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So the page with the Joker pic is down now. Go to it and it says "Page Not Found". Highlight the entire page, however, to see a bunch of "Ha Ha"s, and some random letters that, when put together, apparently say "See you in December".
First trailer, perhaps? |
05-22-2007, 12:22 AM | #149 |
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Yea they're having the first trailer in December. Supposedly they hired some marketing company to do all this. There's supposed to be more stuff like that all year, and faux billboards and campaign ads and shit.
I will say, it's gotten people talking so far. |
05-22-2007, 07:18 AM | #150 |
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I swear Anthony Michael Hall better not be Robin. I hate that character so much.
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05-22-2007, 08:02 AM | #151 |
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He'd be a bit old for Robin...any version.
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05-22-2007, 01:07 PM | #152 |
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Robin sucks
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05-22-2007, 01:37 PM | #153 |
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Tim Drake's cool. Grayson owns.
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05-22-2007, 02:22 PM | #154 |
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Yea but his character was a campy addition that sort of undermines what Batman has evolved into, especially the type of Batman that is cut out for movie use. That's a dark brooding loner Batman, which is what Burton was going for so he resisted Robin. Nolan's going for the same, so he likely is avoiding Robin despite the studio probably pushing for it.
Robin is just useless. When he was killed off he should have stayed dead. |
05-22-2007, 02:26 PM | #155 |
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AMH can't really be Robin. He's older than Bale and Ledger as far as I know. He was a teenager in the 80s while Christian Bale was like 7 in Empire of the Sun.
He also looks nothing like Robin, and I doubt Robin's going to be introduce during Nolans watch. Of course, I don't doubt for a second that Nolan and Bale will part with Batman after the 3rd or 4th movie and go onto other things. Either that or they'll get canned, and WB will amost surely repeat their mistakes and continue the continuity with all the unused characters and a new director/cast/mood. AMH is possibly Edward Nigma working at Wayne Enterprises and they're going for that approach. Either that or he's a run of the mill normal character and nothing too special, and this is all just guerilla promotion and pointless hype. Probably the latter, since that's what actors do to promote movies they're in, even if they're not that important. All of that actors probably have confidentiality agreements, it doesn't mean they're future villians or well known characters. The 200 million suprise is probably the projected box office for TDK, and not some future draw. That's my two cents. Last edited by Jeritron; 05-22-2007 at 02:30 PM. |
05-22-2007, 04:56 PM | #156 |
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Nightwing is one of the coolest. Without Robin we wouldn't have him so SILENCE!
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05-22-2007, 05:18 PM | #157 |
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Enough talk about fucking Robin!
If they ever put in a Robin, i hope they make him a gay character, cause Robin screams for a fucking ass rape! Can you see it happening? Tjeepers Batman! This goes deeeeeeep! |
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05-22-2007, 07:18 PM | #159 |
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The introduction of Robin began the death of the original quadrilogy. That and Val Kilmer.
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05-22-2007, 07:32 PM | #160 |
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No, the poor treatment of Robin marred his introduction. Also, I think Val Kilmer actually played a better Batman/Bruce Wayne than Michael Keaton, but just had the misfortune of being in an inferior film.
I disagree with the idea that Robin has no place in the comics. Movies, yes - especially this early on when Bruce has literally just begun his crime-fighting career. But the comics? Maybe the campy '60s interpretation is unnecessary but what it boils down to is Robin is the counterweight to Batman. Batman dresses in dark colours, broods all the time, and walks a tightrope between justice and vengeance every night. Robin is youthful, colourful (though less so now than previously), wise-cracking, and generally the "light" to Batman's "dark". And even Batman needs someone to pull him out of the dark every now and again; otherwise he will be - and has previously been - consumed by his anger. |