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So, I need your help wrestling forum. I need to understand ROH and what makes it so great. I'm hoping by my getting a better understanding of ROH that it will summon my tag team partner St. Jimmy from the vortex he vanished into last year.
So tell me, what clasic ROH matches should I watch? Who should I "cheer" for? Who should I not give a shit about? Who is ROH's biggest draw currently? Help a guy out here. Quote:
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05-10-2014, 08:20 PM | #2 |
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ROH currently has some deal with some Japanese fed, and they are doing some cross-promotional cards or something coming up. The Japanese fed has AJ Styles, so him appearing in ROH would make him their biggest draw.
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05-10-2014, 08:22 PM | #3 |
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I think they hired back Kassius Ohno after he got released from WWE. So, excluding any appearance by AJ Styles, I guess a former NXT SUPERSTAR would be their biggest draw.
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05-10-2014, 08:26 PM | #4 |
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I've seen a few shows live, and they were actually really fun, and I had a blast. Trying to watch it again (the very same shows) on TV, I was bored out of my mind.
I think the "kill yourself and do five finishers in a row and don't sell anything" style is great fun when seeing it live, but on TV.... you need the "drama", you need the "story telling".... |
05-10-2014, 08:26 PM | #5 |
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05-10-2014, 08:36 PM | #6 |
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I know they were. I think Charlie Haas had a hissy fit over something and retired.... not sure if Benjamin is still around....
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05-10-2014, 08:41 PM | #7 |
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Gonna research this. If only St. Jimmy were here, he'd tell me what's good in ROH....
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05-10-2014, 08:45 PM | #8 |
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Their current World Champ is "Adam Cole". Who I remember seeing and thinking that he had like zero charisma.
Their tag team champions are The Young Bucks, who were basically the Hardy Boyz when I saw them in TNA. Their Television Champion is Jay Lethal. Who is actually pretty awesome, and should have at the very least never been released from TNA. |
05-10-2014, 10:07 PM | #9 |
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Adam Cole is apparently really good at being an arrogant heel. I'm not sure if he's playing that role in ROH now or if he's still a bland babyface who just wrestles really good. Kevin Steen is getting a ROH World Title shot, like, right now, and although I haven't been following the product too closely, I could see him winning it. Apparently Steen turned up to a WWE tryout in shape and managed to impress people, but there hasn't been much talk about him being actually signed or anything. Steen and ROH could be playing that close to the chest, however, and with this being their big New Japan Pro Wrestling crossover show, the time might be right to crown only their second multi-time World Champion in the promotion's history. Especially if Austin Aries leaves TNA soon and can return to feud with Steen for the title.
The Young Bucks hold like every Tag Team Title in the world not in either WWE or TNA. I've heard them described as spot-monkeys, but I'm fairly sure that is their job at the moment. "Go out there and do crazy shit to make people go nuts." I'm not sure about their ROH characters, but they generally seem to play arrogant dicks. The Hardy Boyz comparison seems to be fair, but you can probably say they are "New Age Hardyz." They're crisper and sleeker. They blew a WWE tryout a few years ago by allegedly being rude to Booker T or something. Jay Lethal is meant to be really good. I haven't seen too much of him, but I remember his release from TNA being their stupidest since they let Awesome Kong go for beating up Bubba the Love Sponge. He was perpetually over, good on the mic and did his best to navigate the "go-nowhere" personas TNA saddled him with. He's the sort of talent that the WWE would probably love to pick up, but already have Xavier Woods. The good, charismatic, black indy worker type. |
05-10-2014, 10:15 PM | #10 |
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When you look at the WWE now, and you have Daniel Bryan, Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose and Cesaro being treated as big deals, it's harder for ROH to be taken seriously when they try to present themselves as the place where good talent goes to compete, you know? CM Punk is a former ROH World Champion and got to hold the WWE Championship longer than he ever served as champ for ROH. The things that made ROH "cool" are now back in the WWE's valued principles.
I also think they took a major hit when they lost Gabe Sapolsky as a booker. When they lost him, they seemed to move away from what made ROH really stand out, and they're just sort of a...promotion now. Jim Cornette is important to the business and Hunter Johnson does his best, but they just haven't been able to create the "dynamics" that Gabe managed to use to turn ROH from an independent promotion into the independent promotion. I think the last real feud that got attention in ROH was Kevin Steen vs. El Generico. When they lost Gabe, they also sent him away to create Dragon Gate USA and EVOLVE, which have just split the great indepedent talent over more promotions. You should have guys like AR Fox, Ricochet, Uhaa Nation and Johnny Gargano in ROH tearing it up. Instead, they are in a different part of the country and sometimes ROH needs to dig up talent that really don't fit the style ROH is known for delivering. At least, that's the impression I've been getting. That's why I'm glad ROH seems to be working with New Japan Pro Wrestling. If ROH can secure Shinsuke Nakamura for a few appearances, or manage to get El Desperado some attention before he challenges Kota Ibushi for the IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Title, then the simplistic-yet-smart type of booking ROH was famous for might actually return and there might be some "movement" as far as the direction of the company goes. |
05-10-2014, 10:21 PM | #11 |
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ROH 2002-07 (06 my personal favorite year) has a lot of good stuff that covers a lot wrestling territory. after gabe and a bunch of top guys left, it went downhill pretty quickly IMO.
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05-10-2014, 11:12 PM | #12 |
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Didn't Jim cornette have a falling out with TNA when Sinclair bought them out?
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05-11-2014, 12:32 AM | #13 |
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I think it was something like that.
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05-11-2014, 01:00 AM | #14 |
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ROH was outstanding from 2002-2006.
I miss that era of Ring of Honor. |
05-11-2014, 02:13 AM | #15 |
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05-11-2014, 04:33 AM | #16 |
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I watch some stuff on occasion and they actually have some fine storylines once in a while. I think they just suffer from most of the roster just having no depth to their character. Everyone seems incredibly bland. I understand it's a very anti-"sports entertainment" fed but it's not like you need gimmicks to have guys with colorful personalities. Just... make them out to be more than a bunch of average joes.
Also, hiring some more guys who wouldn't be in WCW's cruiserweight division in 1996 wouldn't hurt. |
05-11-2014, 11:54 AM | #17 |
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05-11-2014, 12:02 PM | #18 |
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I looked at the roster. Not many guys I am familiar with atm, but then again ROH is more or less the AAA of wrestling. The farm system if you will.
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05-11-2014, 01:46 PM | #19 |
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It can be pretty difficult to watch at times.
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05-11-2014, 02:02 PM | #20 |
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Same can be said about the WWE honestly. I've found myself changing the channel often as of late with the E's programming. It's just become too predictable and it gets old seeing the same 10-15 people week after week.
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05-11-2014, 02:15 PM | #21 |
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I didn't know we were comparing things. Just giving you a heads up.
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05-11-2014, 02:18 PM | #22 |
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Their biggest draw is a fat guy in bicycle shorts.
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05-11-2014, 02:52 PM | #23 |
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05-11-2014, 03:10 PM | #24 |
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Right now all of the ROH fans are upset because Michael Elgin was supposed to challenge Kazuchika Okada for the IWGP Heavyweight Title in NYC but since AJ Styles won it we're getting Elgin-Styles for the third time in 4 months lol.
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05-11-2014, 10:22 PM | #25 |
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So NJPW and ROH are pretty much in a relationship of sorts now?
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05-11-2014, 11:42 PM | #26 |
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05-12-2014, 07:44 AM | #27 |
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Michael Elgin is apparently a beast.
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05-15-2014, 06:31 AM | #29 |
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Would love it if Jay Lethal started wrestling in the WWE as "Ric Flair." I've always wanted to see a dude randomly try and impersonate a past guy that he clearly isn't.
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05-15-2014, 02:53 PM | #30 |
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05-17-2014, 10:53 AM | #32 |
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05-17-2014, 11:43 AM | #33 |
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Big Show did it too for a bit.
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05-17-2014, 08:31 PM | #34 |
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Way to make me feel old by calling that a "long time ago." I mean a guy actually trying to pass himself off as a wrestler -- not just impersonating them. When Judas Devlin was down in NXT, for some reason, I just thought it would be weirdly cool if he showed up one week calling himself "Edge", and he claimed to be a former 11-time World Champion (or whatever it was Edge was). Michael Cole would be all "That's not Edge!" and JBL would be all "Yes it is, Mackal!" You would have Devlin either feud with Christian, annoyed at his best friend's legacy being used by this debuting new talent to get attention for himself, or he'd team with Christian, perhaps the whole "Edge" idea being a deluded Christian's in an attempt to relive his glory days.
When I say Jay Lethal shows up as Ric Flair, I don't mean he shows up as Ric Lethal and does a Ric Flair impersonation -- I mean that he'd show up and be presented as 16-time World Heavyweight Champion Ric Flair. WOOO! To which everyone will know he's not, but it'd get them talking. |