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Old 10-05-2011, 02:32 PM   #1041
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We draft Luck because we don't want to get suck with a crap Qb like Joe Flacco.
joe Flacco

NFL records
  • First rookie quarterback to start all sixteen games and make the playoffs (along with Matt Ryan)
  • First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games
  • Most starts by a quarterback in first season: 19
  • Most starts by a quarterback in first two seasons: 37
  • Most starts by a quarterback in first three seasons: 55
  • First quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first three seasons
  • Most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)
  • Most playoff road wins: 4 (tied with Len Dawson, Roger Staubach, Jake Delhomme, and Mark Sanchez)
Must be tough to have such a crap QB huh? Wont even bore you with this then:

Peyton Manning Playoffs first 3 years
1999 IND 1 0 19 42 45.2 227 5.4 0 0



62.3
2000 IND 1 0 17 32 53.1 194 6.1 1 0



82.0
2002 IND 1 0 14 31 45.2 137 4.4 0 2



31.2

Joe Flacco First 3 Years
2008 Baltimore 3 75 33 44.0% 437 5.8 48 1 3 50.8
2009 Baltimore 2 45 24 53.3% 223 4.96 27 0 3 39.4
2010 Baltimore 2 64 41 64.06% 390 6.1 28 3 1 90.0
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Are you serious? Colts were terrible Manning's rookie year so that disqualifies him from the first three and the sixth, as well as pretty much crippling him in the rest. Only one you can even kinda put on Manning is the last, but even then given the Colts usual regular season dominance most of their playoff games were home games anyway.

If you wanna compare Flacco to Manning pull up some actual fucking stats instead of trying to cite retarded records

Edit: Nice edit to actually include stats
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Flacco has more playoff wins in 3 years than Manning did in 6. Outside of the Super Bowl year, Manning has been outed in their first game in the playoffs 7 of the other 10 years. Also, as you pointed out, most of those losses were at home (4 times). Flacco has done all of work on the road in the playoffs. Peyton Manning's record is 2-5 on the road in the playoffs.
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The 49ers are definitely NOT a lock to win their division. At any time there is the potential for them to lose like 5 games in a row and fuck themselves hard.
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Flacco has more playoff wins in 3 years than Manning did in 6. Outside of the Super Bowl year, Manning has been outed in their first game in the playoffs 7 of the other 10 years.
Because he had a fucking ridiculous defense to piggyback off of, as evidenced by the stats you post.

For the first two years:
50.8 and 39.4 ratings? Fucking disgusting.
145.6 YPG and 111.5 YPG? Horrible.
1 TD and 6 INT? Ryan Leaf like.

He definitely did step it up the 3rd year, but to argue his greatness merely because he was QB at the time the Ravens D was winning the games? Come on bro
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Because he had a fucking ridiculous defense to piggyback off of, as evidenced by the stats you post.

For the first two years:
50.8 and 39.4 ratings? Fucking disgusting.
145.6 YPG and 111.5 YPG? Horrible.
1 TD and 6 INT? Ryan Leaf like.

He definitely did step it up the 3rd year, but to argue his greatness merely because he was QB at the time the Ravens D was winning the games? Come on bro
I think its funny you missed Peytons 31.2 QBR in 2002 in that lovely 41-0 loss to the Jets where he threw for 137 yards and 2 Ints...

I'll give you regular season stats

First few things I notice are how comparable they are in completion % and QB rating, and also how many more INTs Manning has thrown..obviously peyton's got the yards and TDs...

2008 Baltimore 16 16 11 428 257 60% 2,971 6.9 70 14 12 80.3
2009 Baltimore 16 16 9 499 315 63.1% 3,613 7.2 72 21 12 88.9
2010 Baltimore 16 16 12 489 306 62.6% 3,622 7.4 67 25 10 93.6

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1998 IND 16 16 3 326 575 56.7 3,739 6.5 26 28 71.2
1999 IND 16 16 13 331 533 62.1 4,135 7.8 26 15 90.7




2000 IND 16 16 10 357 571 62.5 4,413 7.7 33 15 94.7
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Manning had:
More yards each season
More TDs each season
Higher rating 2/3 seasons
Higher YPA 2/3 seasons

Was also league leader in completions, yards and TDs in 2000. Leader in attempts 1998.

Flacco has:
Higher percentage each season
Fewer INTs each season
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Flacco is the beneficiary of a team with a great defense. He's good when his defense is.
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when was the last time Peyton Manning beat Tom Brady in the playoffs in Foxboro?

hmm..yeah..thought so
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Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
J. Flacco 4/10 34 0 1


When was the last time Flacco did?
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That Flacco clearly had nothing to do with
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So in 2004 when the colts lost to the Pats in the AFC championship, Mannings 304 yards meant what exactly..he threw 10 times as many yards..and they lost..ooh

I'll take my QB throwing for 34 yards and a win in NE over 300 yards and a loss every time..its exactly how I feel about the Jets game last sunday night too.
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You keep trying to give Flacco credit for the Ravens playoff wins even when he obviously has nothing to do with it.

You post these records for playoff wins during his rookie and sophomore seasons, but then back it up with stats that show he played like absolute garbage? You said HE beat the Pats, despite throwing for just 34 yards and an INT? Uh, no. It was clearly Rice and McGahee with their 200+ yards and 3 TDs.

We're not just talking about wins, like you're now trying to pretend we are. We're talking about these two QBs effect on wins and you've only shown that for the most part Flacco has had nothing to do with them
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joe Flacco

NFL records
  • First rookie quarterback to start all sixteen games and make the playoffs (along with Matt Ryan)
  • First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games
  • Most starts by a quarterback in first season: 19
  • Most starts by a quarterback in first two seasons: 37
  • Most starts by a quarterback in first three seasons: 55
  • First quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first three seasons
  • Most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)
  • Most playoff road wins: 4 (tied with Len Dawson, Roger Staubach, Jake Delhomme, and Mark Sanchez)
Must be tough to have such a crap QB huh? Wont even bore you with this then:

Peyton Manning Playoffs first 3 years
1999 IND 1 0 19 42 45.2 227 5.4 0 0



62.3
2000 IND 1 0 17 32 53.1 194 6.1 1 0



82.0
2002 IND 1 0 14 31 45.2 137 4.4 0 2



31.2

Joe Flacco First 3 Years
2008 Baltimore 3 75 33 44.0% 437 5.8 48 1 3 50.8
2009 Baltimore 2 45 24 53.3% 223 4.96 27 0 3 39.4
2010 Baltimore 2 64 41 64.06% 390 6.1 28 3 1 90.0
pretty sure he's referring to this there Droldfish:

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I actually had the bad thought that if they do go 1-4 they might as well go for the "suck for Luck" and not win another game. They play one of the major contenders for Luck (Seattle) as it is (the other being Miami). Flacco is a free agent after this year too..
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Im still partly pissed off I drove 1800 miles to Nashville and the Ravens never even bothered to show up, but yes I am.
and are you really arguing that Flacco is better than Peyton Manning?
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actually, just noticed you were conveniently ignoring a bunch obvious information/common sense/logic and were using specific instances and misleading statements as your examples. Can you not keep the "being utterly ridiculous" exclusively in the discussion forum?
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joe Flacco

NFL records
  • First rookie quarterback to start all sixteen games and make the playoffs (along with Matt Ryan)
  • First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games
  • Most starts by a quarterback in first season: 19
  • Most starts by a quarterback in first two seasons: 37
  • Most starts by a quarterback in first three seasons: 55
  • First quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first three seasons
  • Most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)
  • Most playoff road wins: 4 (tied with Len Dawson, Roger Staubach, Jake Delhomme, and Mark Sanchez)
Must be tough to have such a crap QB huh? Wont even bore you with this then:

Peyton Manning Playoffs first 3 years
1999 IND 1 0 19 42 45.2 227 5.4 0 0



62.3
2000 IND 1 0 17 32 53.1 194 6.1 1 0



82.0
2002 IND 1 0 14 31 45.2 137 4.4 0 2



31.2

Joe Flacco First 3 Years
2008 Baltimore 3 75 33 44.0% 437 5.8 48 1 3 50.8
2009 Baltimore 2 45 24 53.3% 223 4.96 27 0 3 39.4
2010 Baltimore 2 64 41 64.06% 390 6.1 28 3 1 90.0
What the fuck, every single one of those records has to do with team success rather than individual success. I'm sure you could apply most of those to any rookie player on the team that year. First cornerback to start and win a playoff game in first three seasons - CB LarDarius Web
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I love Joe Flacco, but he's not better than Peyton Manning. Could he be? It's possible. Unlikely, but surely possible.

He's always had a very good-great defense to support him/keep him in games. Peyton Manning has not and he still puts up ridiculous numbers & wins.

Yes, you could argue he's always had good-great targets (as Flacco has not, really), but he still has not always had the defensive support Flacco has.
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And I love Trent Dilfer, but I certainly don't credit the success of the 2000 Ravens to him. Some of it, yes. He obviously deserves it for not throwing that many interceptions. But to say he won the Ravens a championship would be silly.

Just like saying Flacco > Manning is silly. Or that Flacco's success is solely because of how good he is. He is very good, but can't always win by himself the way Peyton can.
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I don't know why you guys are even bothering to argue with a guy who clearly has no intention of using logic or reason. Seems like a waste of time to me.
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Old 10-06-2011, 01:11 PM   #1067
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Miami up'ed the ante on the Suck for Luck campaign. Henne has been put down for the season and they are ' threatening ' to bring in Trent Edwards.
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Old 10-06-2011, 01:15 PM   #1068
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Flacco was called a crap QB. Crap QBs dont have 36 wins in their first 3 years in the league. Kyle fucking Boller had the same god damned defense for 3 years and he didn't win shit with it. Kyle Boller is a crap QB. So you can't fucking tell me for a second that Flacco's 36 wins, 4 of which were on the road in the playoffs, were all because he was lucky to have the Ravens defense. If that was the case boller would be on his way to the fucking hall of fame by now.
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Old 10-06-2011, 01:25 PM   #1069
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Someone must of replaced his stats this year, with a crap QB's stats.
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Old 10-06-2011, 01:35 PM   #1070
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Tavaris Jackson's qb rating is higher then Flacco's
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Old 10-06-2011, 02:23 PM   #1071
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and the Rams season is over. Move over, RP, we're coming for that number 1 spot!
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Old 10-06-2011, 02:23 PM   #1072
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I thought Miami was going to sign Garrard? Not that he's any better than Edwards, but either way, the Suck for Luck race has begun to heat up.
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Old 10-06-2011, 02:26 PM   #1073
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My Betting Picks Week 5 (Last Week 12-4 ATS, Season 26-34-4 ATS, 1-2 Locks)

Titans +3.5 @ Steelers [Titans are suddenly a playoff contender and the Steelers are looking like a MASH unit. Gimped up Roethlisberger, battered offensive line, potentially no Mendenhall, Harrison out..I think this is the Titans personal litmus test for themselves and they'll pass it with a win.]
Chiefs +2 @ Colts [Colts off the short week loss and disapointment, Chiefs off their first win and excitement. Take the momentum, energy and the points]
Cardinals +2.5 @ Vikings [Similar to Chiefs/Vikings though the Cardinals arent coming off a win]
Bengals +2.5 @ Jaguars [Similar to the first two again, and for what its worth I like the Cincy defense at least..]
Bills +2.5 vs Eagles [I dont understand how an imploding Eagles team is a favorite on the road vs a team that was close to being 4-0, even if it was vs the Bengals. I see this as a similar situation to the game after the Ravens lost to the Titans, they will come back refocused and ready to throttle the Eagles who are in a complete tailspin.]
Raiders +5.5 @ Texans [Texans are on a roll but one vulnerability they have is rush defense, they've given up yards to some suspect players and McFadden is the best RB they will have faced...plus no Andre Johnson for the Texans..EDIT Also a win for Al Davis..]
Panthers +6.5 vs Saints [I don't see the Panthers winning, but once again I think Cam Newton can keep the Panthers in the game just enough to not lose by a TD, especially since I wasn't impressed with the Saints defense last week in what should have been an easy game.]
Giants -9.5 vs Seahawks [Lot of points to give up but the Giants are at home and its the Seahawks..Don't know what else to say.]
Buccaneers +2.5 @ 49ers [People are probably going to be on the 49ers after their upset win in Philly but I think that the Buccaneers are a better team overall, though a win on the west coast will be tough for Tampa (6 wins in 32 west coast games all time)
Patriots -9 vs Jets [The Jets seem to be imploding just like the Eagles and I think the last team the Jets wanted to see this weekend was the Patriots...lot of points but Im pretty sure Tom Brady's good for em]
Broncos +4 vs Chargers [The Chargers usually start off slow, this year they've been able to win while doing it but its been an illusion..smoke and mirrors (OOOOOOH) anyway..No one wants to bet on the Broncos after they were throttled by the Packers, but I say they'll show up and give the Chargers a fight in a divisional game at home]
Falcons +6 vs Packers [People are gonna call me crazy. How can you bet against the Packers?? Matt Ryan is 16-6 ATS at home in his career. The Packers secondary isn't solid and I think Ryan can easily go toe to toe with Rodgers since he has just as many weapons to throw to. The Falcons also kind of need this game big time or else they risk being in trouble given how the Saints and Bucs are playing. I'm also pretty crazy to say the Falcons will win outright.. Im probably just plain insane to make this my Lock of the Week (1-2)]
Bears +5 @ Lions [The Lions have won 12 games in a row (4 last year, 4 preseason, 4 this year), the world must be upside down! I watched their comeback last week and was amazed at how they did it. But the wheels have to come off the cart at some point, and I think the Bears, who need a win to stay in playoff contention already, would like nothing more than to end the Lions dream season in Detroit in front of a national tv audience..and they'll do it by running the football with Forte and special teams.]

5-7-1 ATS
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Old 10-06-2011, 02:39 PM   #1075
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and the Rams season is over. Move over, RP, we're coming for that number 1 spot!
You aren't giving up on Bradford are you?
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Old 10-06-2011, 02:42 PM   #1076
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Tavaris Jackson's qb rating is higher then Flacco's
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only because of Flacco's sub 50% completion rate which wont stay that low much longer
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Old 10-06-2011, 02:54 PM   #1077
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Yeah, but Alex Smith is rated 8th. Let's just agree to throw that list into the fireplace.
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Flacco was called a crap QB. Crap QBs dont have 36 wins in their first 3 years in the league. Kyle fucking Boller had the same god damned defense for 3 years and he didn't win shit with it. Kyle Boller is a crap QB. So you can't fucking tell me for a second that Flacco's 36 wins, 4 of which were on the road in the playoffs, were all because he was lucky to have the Ravens defense. If that was the case boller would be on his way to the fucking hall of fame by now.
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Flacco was called a crap QB. Crap QBs dont have 36 wins in their first 3 years in the league. Kyle fucking Boller had the same god damned defense for 3 years and he didn't win shit with it. Kyle Boller is a crap QB. So you can't fucking tell me for a second that Flacco's 36 wins, 4 of which were on the road in the playoffs, were all because he was lucky to have the Ravens defense. If that was the case boller would be on his way to the fucking hall of fame by now.
you realize trent dilfer ( a widely renown crap QB) won a superbowl for you guys


by your logic he is at the same level as both mannings and brees because he has won just as many as them
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