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01-23-2010, 07:01 PM | #243 | |
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But they didn't do that. They didn't want anyone else to have Leno so gave him a show at an earlier time. Well, okay we thought he was retiring but maybe this will be decent. It should save them some money if it gets decent ratings. It airs and it's basically The Tonight Show at an earlier time. WTF is that? Guess what? It's a disaster. They actually are losing money and news affiliates are putting pressure on NBC to do something about it. Then guess what NBC has to do now? Do what they should have done in the first place and put a good show at 10 but they have to keep Leno from going anywhere also so hey lets push Conan back and put Jay at 11:30. Conan doesn't like it and stands up for himself. Uh oh. So it seems Conan is going to leave so they end up giving Jay his job back. Letterman appeals to the older crowd mostly and Conan appeals to the younger demographic while Leno appeals to middle-aged plus some of the younger and older crowd. But hen you look at it, it's not really about who's funnier or more entertaining, which is Conan by far but it's a combination of a lot of things. Most of the people who love Jay probably didn't give Conan a chance at all or they even went to Letterman. Do you think that if NBC picked Letterman instead and Leno went to CBS that Jay would still have beaten him consistently in the ratings? |
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01-23-2010, 07:03 PM | #244 | |
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01-23-2010, 07:06 PM | #245 |
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01-23-2010, 07:14 PM | #246 |
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I assumed they got TNA 1st but yeah you are right. Forgot all about Ultimate Fighter debuting before their Unleashed show since Spike TV got TNA about a month after loosing WWE Raw.
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01-23-2010, 07:42 PM | #247 | |
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Interesting how you try to discredit the source like it doesn't matter, thinking that makes a difference in the numbers. Sadly it does not. |
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01-23-2010, 07:44 PM | #248 |
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I would bet if you looked at the user demographic of AOL it is heavily skewed towards the above 40 crowd.
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01-23-2010, 07:48 PM | #249 | |
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Your posts actually are a perfect example of some of my time here on this board, and Rajah: You get your asses kicked in a debate, so you resort to personal insults. Pretty much a sign that you lost the debate of the original topic. |
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01-23-2010, 08:07 PM | #252 |
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Back to more important/better things, his final show was pure class... the speech he made about never being cynical where he almost started crying blew me away, and when he jammed with all those guys was just fucking awesome.
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01-23-2010, 08:08 PM | #253 |
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And LOL at Jimmy Fallon (never thought I'd say that) "RUN! IT'S DOCTOR OZ!"
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01-23-2010, 09:13 PM | #254 |
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Zeeboe, 42K is a drop in the bucket of the total viewership and AOL isn't a good "source" because it is skewed. I don't really need to discredit you, as you do that on your own quite well!
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01-23-2010, 11:46 PM | #255 | |
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Anyhow, don't even answer that. Let's just try to get back to the topic that you randomly decided to change. |
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01-24-2010, 12:51 AM | #256 |
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01-24-2010, 01:16 AM | #257 |
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01-24-2010, 01:20 AM | #258 |
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01-24-2010, 01:41 AM | #259 |
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01-24-2010, 01:44 AM | #260 |
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01-24-2010, 01:56 AM | #262 |
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Zeeboe must still be on AOL dial-up
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01-24-2010, 10:59 AM | #263 | |
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Like we've discussed: damndest tries to discredit the voters because he thinks most of them are 40 and older, (and even if they were, it still wouldn't matter) you try to discredit AOL, you try to discredit the number of the amount of voters, and then you try to discredit me. You're wrong. Stop trying to find excuses. Accept what is, get over it, and then drop it. |
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01-24-2010, 11:55 AM | #264 |
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I used to just think that Jay Leno wasn't funny. Now I think he is a jerk.
I know it was more NBC's doing than his, but I still feel like he had a hand in it. (I don't care how stupid that sounds, I'm sticking with it.) |
01-24-2010, 12:16 PM | #265 | |
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Seriously, Jay Leno was ready to retire, and move on. NBC would not let him. Leno was under contract, so his hands were tied. It's amazing how many unformed people there are out there. But I think your above post just about sums it up for all Leno haters - Those people don't care about the truth. They're just gonna close their ears while screaming how much they hate Jay Leno. |
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01-24-2010, 12:17 PM | #266 |
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I'm kind of on this bandwagon. I don't think he orchestrated it or anything but I'm willing to bet he had his say in it somewhere. It's just alot easier to blame NBC because to the average television viewer, NBC doesn't have a face.
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01-24-2010, 12:20 PM | #267 |
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01-24-2010, 12:35 PM | #268 | |
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The end of my post was more sarcasm than anything. |
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01-24-2010, 12:38 PM | #269 |
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If Jay Leno wanted to leave, he could have. The issue was that NBC did not want him going somewhere else (obviously), so they made it hard for him to "opt out" I guess is the right wording to use.
So again, I know it was more NBC's doing, but part of me suspects that Jay wanted the 11:35 slot back all along (in fact he said just that). |
01-24-2010, 12:42 PM | #270 |
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What irks me the most about all of this is I remember reading an interview with Leno a few years back about how he's never had much of an emotional attachment to the job, it's all about business to him, and it really shows. Conan obviously has a great deal of respect for the position and cares more about the integrity of the programming than the bottom line.
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01-24-2010, 12:42 PM | #271 |
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We get it, Zeeboe, you love Jay Leno. That doesn't mean you have to shit on everyone who either doesn't like him or sees him as a dick because of this.
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01-24-2010, 12:47 PM | #272 |
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We get it, screech, you hate Jay Leno. That doesn't mean you have to shit on everyone who either does likes him or sees him as a class act because of this.
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01-24-2010, 12:49 PM | #273 |
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Good one there, champ. How mature of you.
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01-24-2010, 12:51 PM | #274 | |
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Okay, how's this for maturity?
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01-24-2010, 12:54 PM | #275 |
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He could have, you know, kept the show he already had. To my knowledge it wasn't on the verge of being canceled. In fact, it was doing just as they expected it would at that slot.
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01-24-2010, 12:55 PM | #276 |
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And if NBC would put on some decent programming (outside of late night of course), they wouldn't need the star power of Leno so desperately.
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01-24-2010, 01:02 PM | #277 | |
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And yes, I know NBC offered to push Conan back half an hour, but really what does that do? It's still shitty how it went down no matter how you look at it. NBC comes across as being stupid, Leno comes across as being a dick, and Conan is out of a job for seven months because he didn't want to stay and ruin an almost 60-year tradition. |
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01-24-2010, 01:36 PM | #278 |
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Well, I don't recall Jay ever whining, but anyhow, we're just going in circles with this......
I'm not going to bad mouth Conan, because I love Conan, and I loved his show. I honestly and truly wish it could have worked out for both of them. Either with Jay as host of the Tonight Show, and Conan hosting Late Night, or with Jay doing prime time, followed by Conan. Because they make a great team in my view, and I never wanted this to happen, and I'm sorry it did. While I am on Team Leno and have been from the start, and do not think he is at fault at for all this happening, I still love Conan and don't think it's his fault either. I'm watching his final show now on MySpaceTV because I missed his show Friday night, and just watching the intro, and thinking about all this gives me goosebumps. I do feel bad for Conan. I wish this could have worked out for him. When I was a kid, and I'd watch Jay and Conan, I honestly thought one day Conan would take over for the Tonight Show, and it's truly a crying shame it didn't work out. He's a funny guy, and it sucks big time he's gonna have to sit on the bench for almost a freakin' year! It also sucks that Conan cannot take all the trademarks that made him funny. I am honestly somewhat worried about his future, and I hope he figures it out, and finds a network that will let him have his own show, and he'll go back to making everyone laugh. |
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And Leno could have left if he wanted. I even watched his show where he explained what went down between him and NBC. In fact in that interview it seemed like he just went with the flow and mentioned many times about NBC wanting to fire him. It sounded like he wanted to leave and he could have but he just went okay whatever I'll take the job at 10pm. Oh my show isn't doing so well? I see and you want to move me to 11:30 and push Conan back? Okay I guess. Now where are my pants? |
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01-24-2010, 02:03 PM | #280 |
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Think about it zeeboe, I'm sure 85% of TPWW is on Conan's side, but that doesn't prove shit
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