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Old 10-10-2011, 11:02 AM   #161
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Old 10-10-2011, 12:35 PM   #162
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Really not a fan of Walt anymore. Hope he gets a bullet before all is said and done.
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Old 10-10-2011, 02:04 PM   #163
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I didn't see any of that coming. Thought they would stretch out the Gus angle another season. This episode was good enough that it could have been the complete end of the series. Maybe next season becomes the Walt/Hank showdown. No idea but it was great.
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I don't see Hank just dropping it now that Gus is dead. Now it's going to be 'who the fuck killed Gus and Salamanco?' and 'why did Salamanco come to this office right before he died?'

Those are the angles Hank is gonna go after. Now that the laundry blew up as well, it clearly means someone was trying to cover their tracks. No way is he just going to leave it be.
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Saw the explosion coming with Walt asking Hector if he had any second thoughts, plus AMC in their wisdom had a picture of Gus with half a face on the main page of their website for god knows how long before the ep aired but if anything it helped/built tension for me personally, Gus's walk with the music after he got out of the car and taking his time sitting down and so on and had me pretty "on edge", more so maybe than if I didn't think I knew what was coming. Thought Jesse was going to call Walt out on just how relieved he was that Brock was okay, that made me think he was responsible only for Walt to then talk himself out of it (in my eyes) when acting clueless as to how he was poisoned only for a "mo-ther-fu-cker" moment with the closing shot. Thought they might plant a "Walt vs. Hank" seed but it wasn't necessary really. Like thedric, I thought it was good enough to end the series, especially the conversation/handshake with Walt and Jesse. Going to feel like an eternity until the final season and then it'll be gone before we know it. No Mike
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Old 10-10-2011, 04:39 PM   #166
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really think the series has to end with Jesse killing Walt
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No idea where the next season goes from here.

Also, thought for sure at the end there, that they were gonna have one of "those" swerves.

"If Brock didn't get poisoned with the Ricin... where did it go?" and then cut to a shot of Walter Jr suddenly keeling over or something.




Also, you know... I used to think of Walt as having kind of a surrogate father/son relationship with Jesse. Now... he has just been a huge dick to him for the most part. Lets one girlfriend die. Poisons another girlfriend's son.
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:25 PM   #168
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if only Walter Jr. could have keeled over

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Old 10-11-2011, 11:27 PM   #169
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Seemed like he was barely in this season anyways.
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Old 10-12-2011, 12:35 PM   #170
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Old 10-15-2011, 04:20 AM   #171
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Wow. Pretty much eating crow right now with the whole Walt/Jesse/poisoning scenario. I didn't think that Walt would stoop to that, but how wrong I was, and stoop he did.

I loved the finale. There's a very "final" feeling to the whole thing, like this could be where the whole series ended if they really wanted it too. I'm interested to see where they take the show in Season 5. There are still unanswered questions and confrontations that need to be played out.

Jesse needs to find out about Jane and about the poison and confront Walt about them. What's Mike going to do when he gets back to ABQ now that his boss is dead? With the lab burned down, and Salamanca and Gus both dead from the explosion, Mike is smart enough to figure out what happened. Does he go for revenge on Walt/Jesse, or does he see it as simply business? Now that all of the pieces have come together for Hank's investigation (the laundry, Gus, Salamanca), he's got to be even more hungry for answers than he was before, and before it's all said and done, he has to figure out that it's been Walter this whole time. That moment is going to be pivotal for the series' run. And what happens with the business now? Does Walt accept what's happened, thank God for his life being intact, and go about running the car wash with his wife? Or are he and Jesse going to try and get the cook going again? And of course, what about the cancer?

Awesome season overall. It's going to be a long wait for Season 5.
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Meanwhile, Ted Beneke is dead on his floor somewhere.
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And what happens with the business now? Does Walt accept what's happened, thank God for his life being intact, and go about running the car wash with his wife? Or are he and Jesse going to try and get the cook going again?
I'm pretty sure all Walt's money from cooking is gone. Between Ted and Saul's nurse, I think they cleaned him out. Which could set up a situation where the car wash business goes to hell and he has to start cooking again, which then makes Hank pick up the trail. Either way, the wait is going to be insane.
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:07 AM   #174
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I def see him still cooking. He loves the power and money, even if he doesn't really spend the money.
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Old 10-16-2011, 01:20 PM   #175
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Gus was this big time player who distributed the blue stuff all over the mid-west. I can see Walter somehow stepping into Gus' shoes and becoming the new distributor, using the car wash business as his front (in place of Los Pollos Hermanos) and possibly building his own lab in the depths of the car wash. I don't know exactly how he could accomplish this on his own though; he would definitely need Mike and his connections to get the thing up and running.

But I think he'll have to make a choice at some point: accept his victory over Gus and go on with a "normal life", or continue down the road he started on in Season 1. And his choice to continue to break bad will be his eventual downfall.
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It's crazy how the last 30 seconds of the last episode completely changed my viewpoint towards Walt.

Going into this season, I was still cheering for Walt and hoping he found a way out and had a nice tidy ending. Now, I wouldn't feel right if the series didn't end with Walt dying in some horrible way.
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I think that there is bound to be some sort of "power vacuum" that is gonna happen with Gus/Don Eladio being dead.

Some sort of struggle that will somehow inevitably threaten Walt. Causing him to try to step in and take control of the remnants of a vast criminal organization because "he has to". But he really enjoys it.
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It seems like Gus was part of a larger corporation though. So perhaps there are people higher up than Gus who can lead Walt in the new direction. But personally that runs the risk of being lame with so easily introducing a new higher up.

I also agree about the changing views on Walt. A similar thing happened with me for The Shield. Vick Mackey is this evil character who you see do all these terrible things. But each epiosde you route for him, thinking to some small extent it's justified. But then when Vick had to confess to all of his crimes, you just seem them all there. All that evil together and no remorse. You realize who you have been routing for this entire time even with it all right in front of you, complete mind fuck.
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How did it seem like he was part of a larger corporation? I thought he was pretty much on top for his region of the country. I mean, he owns chicken restaurants all over the place, has all these other companies with which to launder money and buy equipment through. Seems like he is backing all of this with his own money. Sort of self-built empire. Especially with the meeting when he was younger. Seemed he was trying to get his own thing going, not on behalf of anyone.

I mean, someone who answers to someone else doesn't go meet with the head of the Mexican cartel and all of his capos. The boss goes and meets with the head of a cartel.
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Just finished season 4 after watching the last 5 episodes in a row.

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How did it seem like he was part of a larger corporation? I thought he was pretty much on top for his region of the country. I mean, he owns chicken restaurants all over the place, has all these other companies with which to launder money and buy equipment through. Seems like he is backing all of this with his own money. Sort of self-built empire. Especially with the meeting when he was younger. Seemed he was trying to get his own thing going, not on behalf of anyone.

I mean, someone who answers to someone else doesn't go meet with the head of the Mexican cartel and all of his capos. The boss goes and meets with the head of a cartel.
But Don Eladio even said that the only reason he wasn't killing Gus was because he knows "who he is", which suggests he has some kind of clout with an organization that would legitimately threaten Don Eladio if something were to happen to Gus. We still haven't found out who Gus REALLY is - where he came from before the meeting with the Cartel, what his background is, where he grew up and why his history is shrouded in so much secrecy. I hope that they explore this territory a bit more in Season 5.
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I know that the final shot of Season 4 is meant to make people start to dislike Walt, in preparation for building him toward his mega-evil turn in Season 5, but I'm not really surprised that he did what he did.

It goes all the way back to Season 3 when Walt met with Gus after the twins tried to kill his brother in law. Walt told Gus that he understands why Gus did what he did, and that he respects the thinking behind it. Even though Hank could have been killed that day (and at least one innocent was shot in the parking lot), Walt sits there with Gus and tells him that he respects the plan that Gus used.

Walter did what he had to do to get the job done. Gus has always been one step ahead of him, but this time he was a step ahead of Gus. Yes, he had to mind fuck Jesse in order to get it to happen, and yes, he had to poison a child, but Walter was looking out for the lives of the people he loves. He was looking out for his children and his wife. He did what he had to do, and fuck if it didn't work.
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Doesn't mean he isn't from an important family or something, but I don't think he works for anyone. He just didn't seem like someone who has to answer to anyone.
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It's crazy how the last 30 seconds of the last episode completely changed my viewpoint towards Walt.

Going into this season, I was still cheering for Walt and hoping he found a way out and had a nice tidy ending. Now, I wouldn't feel right if the series didn't end with Walt dying in some horrible way.
Walt's been a villain to me ever since the end of season three, when he ran over the drug dealer and shot him in the head cold blooded. Which is why I was convinced he poisoned Brock.

Pretty sure this show has cemented itself as the best (maybe 2nd best) show of all time with me. It's so different from The Wire that it's hard to compare, but they are each phenomenal in their own ways.
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I know that the final shot of Season 4 is meant to make people start to dislike Walt, in preparation for building him toward his mega-evil turn in Season 5, but I'm not really surprised that he did what he did.

It goes all the way back to Season 3 when Walt met with Gus after the twins tried to kill his brother in law. Walt told Gus that he understands why Gus did what he did, and that he respects the thinking behind it. Even though Hank could have been killed that day (and at least one innocent was shot in the parking lot), Walt sits there with Gus and tells him that he respects the plan that Gus used.

Walter did what he had to do to get the job done. Gus has always been one step ahead of him, but this time he was a step ahead of Gus. Yes, he had to mind fuck Jesse in order to get it to happen, and yes, he had to poison a child, but Walter was looking out for the lives of the people he loves. He was looking out for his children and his wife. He did what he had to do, and fuck if it didn't work.
In the end though, poisoning Brock wasn't even necessary. Yeah it got Jesse on his side for the failed hospital bombing (saying that really rams through how evil Walt is), but in the end all he needed was word from Saul that Gus and Salamanca were nemeses. Jesse didn't even factor in, so he could have murdered a child unnecessarily.
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In the end though, poisoning Brock wasn't even necessary. Yeah it got Jesse on his side for the failed hospital bombing (saying that really rams through how evil Walt is), but in the end all he needed was word from Saul that Gus and Salamanca were nemeses. Jesse didn't even factor in, so he could have murdered a child unnecessarily.
Yes, but that information and the location of Salamanca's nursing home came from Jesse and prior to Walt poisoning Brock to Jesse back on his side, they weren't on speaking terms.
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100% disagree that running over the drug dealers and killing them was 'evil' or villainous.

He was clearly protecting Jessie from getting himself shot, and Jessie was only doing it because those guys were legit bad guys who were responsible for his friend's death. IIRC. Been a while since I've seen that season so I don't recall if it was his friend, or the kid that got killed. Do remember though that it was clearly in protection of Jessie. Jessie would have gotten himself shot had Walt not stepped in. No way Jessie was going to shoot both of them and walk away without a mark.
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100% disagree that running over the drug dealers and killing them was 'evil' or villainous.

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Same here. Was surprised someone thought that way.
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In the end though, poisoning Brock wasn't even necessary. Yeah it got Jesse on his side for the failed hospital bombing (saying that really rams through how evil Walt is), but in the end all he needed was word from Saul that Gus and Salamanca were nemeses. Jesse didn't even factor in, so he could have murdered a child unnecessarily.
That's hindsight though. If the plan with the car bomb had worked then Jesse's involvement would have absolutely been necessary. And like NBT said, Jesse is the one who got Saul the information on the whereabouts of Salamanca.

One thing that I'm not completely sure about yet is the two guys who were at Walt's house when he sent the neighbor in to check on the stove. Were these definitely Gus' men sent to kill Walter? At that point, Jesse still hadn't given Gus the "okay" to kill Walt, so killing him could have potentially caused Jesse to go on a cook strike.
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Weren't the two guys sent after the DEA swept the laundry? I'm assuming that at that point, Gus had enough and figured Jesse would be just as pissed and would have figured Walt had been the one who tipped them off. Walt sending his neighbor over to potentially catch a bullet is just one more reason why I want him to die bloody at the end of next season.

I wonder if the nursing home had cameras and Walt gets discovered entering it or something.
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Weren't the two guys sent after the DEA swept the laundry? I'm assuming that at that point, Gus had enough and figured Jesse would be just as pissed and would have figured Walt had been the one who tipped them off. Walt sending his neighbor over to potentially catch a bullet is just one more reason why I want him to die bloody at the end of next season.

I wonder if the nursing home had cameras and Walt gets discovered entering it or something.
Don't know about cameras, but remember, the neighbor in the next room over saw him outside when he was hiding. I'm betting next season they get a new sketch because of her.
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Weren't the two guys sent after the DEA swept the laundry? I'm assuming that at that point, Gus had enough and figured Jesse would be just as pissed and would have figured Walt had been the one who tipped them off. Walt sending his neighbor over to potentially catch a bullet is just one more reason why I want him to die bloody at the end of next season.

I wonder if the nursing home had cameras and Walt gets discovered entering it or something.
Gus called Jesse as the DEA were sweeping the laundry, and even then, Jesse refused to give the okay to kill Walt. Gus then told him that "there will be a proper response." I guess it makes sense that Gus decided to ignore Jesse's concerns after Walt called in protection on Hank's house, though.
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Amazing interview with showrunner/creator Vince Gilligan about Breaking Bad Season 4. He gets pretty in depth and discusses a lot of interesting points about the season, the characters and the show in general.


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Do we actually know the plant was Walts? Maybe that's what the two guys were doing in the backyard, planting it there. He doesn't know, Jesse finds it, shit goes down from there.
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He was staring at it with his gun a few episodes before.
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Yeah. When he spun his gun while sitting in his backyard, it pointed right at it and that's where he got the idea.
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I got round to catching up on season 3 and 4 over the past week or so. Usually I don't enjoy watching shows online and prefer to just have a DVD boxset but I really couldn't stop watching. It all plays out fantastically.
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