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Old 03-29-2013, 12:40 AM   #7001
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Except people already don't buy that, and they don't buy the claims that EA didn't want this, so...

The future of DRM is the "service" argument, I'm sure. I think OnLive is a publisher's wet dream.
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If it wasn't a fantastic failure, I guess. Locking customers down seems to be the end game for most, like gas or credit. They've become all of a sudden terrified of people not playing their games, which is testament to me that they know AAA games suck usually.
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Old 03-29-2013, 02:12 AM   #7003
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Yes. People have asked for a VII remix since PS2 hit the markets. It is (arguably) the most popular and widely recognized installment of the entire series. It would break records, I would imagine.
Also, the on-again/off-again cockteasing Square has been putting forth. Yeah, they have no plans of re-releasing their most highly marketed and profitable juggernaught ever, but will whore out all the characters to spin off titles and prequels for consoles, handhelds, and even frickin' PHONES before it was the cool thing to do (i.e. pre iPhone) and unrelated games, make animated features about said game, and even make the tech demo for the "new PS3" THE ENTIRE GODDAMN INTRO FOR FINAL FANTASY VII LIKE THAT WASN'T GOING TO PUMP THE RUMOR MILL... every Final Fantasy game preceding it has been revamped... some more than others (how many ports of FFIV alone exist now..?)

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Old 03-29-2013, 06:34 AM   #7004
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Also, the on-again/off-again cockteasing Square has been putting forth. Yeah, they have no plans of re-releasing their most highly marketed and profitable juggernaught ever, but will whore out all the characters to spin off titles and prequels for consoles, handhelds, and even frickin' PHONES before it was the cool thing to do (i.e. pre iPhone) and unrelated games, make animated features about said game, and even make the tech demo for the "new PS3" THE ENTIRE GODDAMN INTRO FOR FINAL FANTASY VII LIKE THAT WASN'T GOING TO PUMP THE RUMOR MILL... every Final Fantasy game preceding it has been revamped... some more than others (how many ports of FFIV alone exist now..?)

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From the CEO - Yoichi Wada on why they have yet to remake FF VII:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/...asy-vii-remake


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it would not remake the legendary RPG until it makes a brand new Final Fantasy game that "exceeds the quality" of Final Fantasy VII.
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In a candid statement, Wada clarified that he feels the current slew of titles in the franchise have not surpassed their popular predecessor in terms of quality. He stressed that while they hopefully would manage this in future, if the team were to remake Final Fantasy VII before this was achieved, then the Final Fantasy franchise "would be done with"

So what I take from it is that they basically admit that FFVII was the last in the series that did well (by his definition), and if they remade it now, consumers would not want to play any other FF installment because of the awesomeness of the FFVII remake.

They just need to remake it already and realize the amount of profit they are sitting on.....
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If it wasn't a fantastic failure, I guess. Locking customers down seems to be the end game for most, like gas or credit. They've become all of a sudden terrified of people not playing their games, which is testament to me that they know AAA games suck usually.
You're quick to label it a failure when people were falling all over themselves to play such an obviously shitty game.

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Also, the on-again/off-again cockteasing Square has been putting forth.
Thankfully, nobody buys into the hype as you can get it on PC and install mods.
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:00 AM   #7006
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I was talking about OnLive, which people were not tripping over themselves to play.
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:41 AM   #7007
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I was talking about OnLive, which people were not tripping over themselves to play.
Which might have had something to do more with the specifics.

Unless there's a major sea change, OnLive is the future of gaming. It'll be under a different name, just like the SimShitty service, but EA has demonstrated people are too busy shouting "shut up and take my money!" to actually be bothered with the consequences.

And while fucktards dance around championing the departure of John Rikki Tikki Tavi and financial troubles for EA, anyone with any fiscal savvy would tell you that their financial problems right now have little to do with the practices people are complaining about. Unlss you count "shifting to digital services" as a whole.
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:49 AM   #7008
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I've never been a fan of a game company being on a list the worst companies in America. It's things like that which puts gamers in a bad light.
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Thinking about the FF series.... what is it that made VII so great? Was it the fact that it was one of the first console RPG's that used polygons that was made widely available? Was it Aeris getting gutted by Sephiroth? Just the overall game?

Really don't get what they want in terms of "exceeding the quality of VII" before they will rehash it?

I thought VIII was meh, IX was decent, X was great, X-2 was crap.
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I've never been a fan of a game company being on a list the worst companies in America. It's things like that which puts gamers in a bad light.
You know, that's actually a pretty common tactic of good consumers who want results. And it had more of an impact than any "reasonable" response. If being a good consumer puts gamers in a bad light, it's mostly because the shithead plebes have forgotten that companies are supposed to work for their money.
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FF8 and FFX-2 were faves of mine. I think they, as well as FF12, destroy FF7 in terms of just about everything. FF7 was seriously not that good.
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FF8 and FFX-2 were faves of mine. I think they, as well as FF12, destroy FF7 in terms of just about everything. FF7 was seriously not that good.
But what was it, for you, that made it not as great as others feel?


Personally, I enjoyed the package as a whole. Great story from start to finish and once leaving Midgar, it felt like a new game almost. The combat (on active) was fun as well. Hell, I enjoyed the music and have the soundtrack even.

Maybe it was just a younger age when I played through the first time or something. I can still pick it up today and play it again though.
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Overall it's a decent Final Fantasy. Decent story, decent visuals, decent battle system - which is the only three categories I put FF games through. FF7 stands out no more to me than FF9 or FFX. It's not 'bad' but not the god-tier FF game that should be remade above all.

Honestly, it got the love it got for justifying a Playstation purchase before Metal Gear Solid came out. And a party member died (not even a first for games). Whatever. I do love Advent Children, though.
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Overall it's a decent Final Fantasy. Decent story, decent visuals, decent battle system - which is the only three categories I put FF games through. FF7 stands out no more to me than FF9 or FFX. It's not 'bad' but not the god-tier FF game that should be remade above all.

Honestly, it got the love it got for justifying a Playstation purchase before Metal Gear Solid came out. And a party member died (not even a first for games). Whatever. I do love Advent Children, though.



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Dunno, feel like the environments and characters in ff7 drew me in far more than its sequels.

I think ff7 does a better job of making you care about the characters right from the onset. Also I think a big part of ff7's hype comes from Midgar. The environments in the sequels look pretty and more impressive, but they lack the heart and atmosphere of Midgar.
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Dunno, feel like the environments and characters in ff7 drew me in far more than its sequels.

I think ff7 does a better job of making you care about the characters right from the onset. Also I think a big part of ff7's hype comes from Midgar. The environments in the sequels look pretty and more impressive, but they lack the heart and atmosphere of Midgar.
I think that is what it is for most people too. It is the highest grossing FF game to date in terms of total sales, 2nd highest grossing Playstation game behind Gran Turismo. Overall, it would cause waves in (most) of the gaming community and would make a killing with numbers.

I also enjoyed the Ruby and Emerald weapon fights
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FF8 and FFX-2 were faves of mine. I think they, as well as FF12, destroy FF7 in terms of just about everything. FF7 was seriously not that good.
To a lot of the market, FFVII was the first FF they played. Maybe even the first RPG they played. It's a watermark not because of quality but because of familiarity. There were tends of thousands of little Fangerls who felt a tingling in their loins over a generic antagonist with a big sword and mopey eyes.
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I do see a lot of people trashing FF7 as overrated drivel and then going on to proclaim FF6 as the best RPG ever made even though it features a lot of the problems people blast FF7 for and has a much less enjoyable battle system.
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I do see a lot of people trashing FF7 as overrated drivel and then going on to proclaim FF6 as the best RPG ever made even though it features a lot of the problems people blast FF7 for and has a much less enjoyable battle system.
It's the hip thing to do


Regardless of personal flavor of FF, there is no denying it would be one of the gaming industry's most talked about remakes for quite some time.
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Im in two minds about it, loved FF7 and its one of my favourite Final Fantasy games but I wasnt fond of the "universe" they created around it. If they remake FF7 from the ground up they'd probably go with the grey pallette and horrible versions of the characters they had in Advent Children, Dirge of Cerberus, etc.
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:38 PM   #7022
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I wouldn't out and out blast the game, it just seems like another JRPG to me. Then again, and as KK noted, I was versed in JRPGs long before FF7 so I guess people hold that game as their sacred entry to the genre. Like GoldenEye and how people feel about console FPS games.
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:50 PM   #7023
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FF8 was my introduction to the series and I played FF6 on rom before I picked up 7. Still prefer it to both of them.
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:02 PM   #7024
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I wouldn't out and out blast the game, it just seems like another JRPG to me. Then again, and as KK noted, I was versed in JRPGs long before FF7 so I guess people hold that game as their sacred entry to the genre. Like GoldenEye and how people feel about console FPS games.
Ah, that makes much more sense to me now. In line with other JRPG's I could see how VII could come across as "just another rpg".

Some of the most fun RPG's were/are JRPG's I think
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:15 PM   #7025
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I used to live for JRPGs, but I don't have a taste for certain battle systems these days. I'm more a real-time guy. The genre still has the best artist in the industry, though. Thinking about how much content is in FF12 still blows my mind.
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It's a shame FF12's story and characters were abysmal, the monster hunter sidequest was better than the main game. Loved the detail they put into the bestiary too.
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I've learned not to look for coherent stories in JRPGs a long time ago. They all pretty much come off as deeply introspective anime tropes, which is fine. I found the rise of vilifying JRPG tropes a few generations ago very strange, though that coincided with the fad of everybody becoming literary game critic out of nowhere. People who grew up digesting DBZ (and still swear by it) are gonna turn around and talk about how nonsensical DMC4 is.

Whatever.
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The original Xenogears didn't have a terrible story


I think a lot of the player base has migrated toward a "IT NEEDZ TO LOOK REEAL" kinda like the same way movies have shifted. There are some fantastic comedies out that get trashed simply because they are "too goofy" or whatever label you wanna put on there. You're pretty spot on with your comparison there.

Less serious business in the world, moar fun.
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It's a shame FF12's story and characters were abysmal, the monster hunter sidequest was better than the main game. Loved the detail they put into the bestiary too.
I liked the fact that the characters weren't strictly shoehorned into "story intended" classes in 12. If you wanted to make Fran a badass, bunnyeared warrior princess, you could do that... granted you know which direction to unlock.

I agree with the sidequest being better than the game, though. It's also the only saving grace for 8 with me. I have yet to get "into" the title, because it didn't engage me from jump. I play the card game a few times at Balam, and then get bored and shut it off. Makes me wish they had Hope in that game. I wouldn't be missing anything. Incidentially, if 9 had Triple Triad and not that random-ass Tetra Master game and also toned down the random battle count a bit, it would make FFIX my favorite of all time (it's already close).

And the engaging part actually is one of the reasons for the popularity of 7. In fact, the story started the second you jump off the train. You're already kicking ass

Like Kt said, it was a justification for buying a Playstation along with Metal Gear and Resident Evil 2. "Well done" CG was relatively new, and that helped. Pumping polygons into what used to be a 2d affair helped. Extensive A-List marketing- something unheard of for RPGs, helped. A top notch score helped. Scope in terms of actual game size (OMG! IT'S THREE DISCS!!!) and content therein. Midgar was huge, you spend a huge chunk of time there, and THEN the whole damn world opens up for you. There's a bunch of shit to do on the side, like breed birds to ride, defend a mountain, and play in an arcade/casino. The characters you meet, for the most part, each had their own charm (though the optional two either had that stereotypical Japanese "cute girl with spirit" that's honestly fucking annoying, and the brooding badass that you find by accident that only has minor stake in the plot if you even find him).

About that flower girl: true, it wasn't the first game to kill off people- major people (For example: Crystalis, anyone? First one that got me... MULTIPLE important people got slaughtered at a point 3/4ths through the game; it even rendered one of your abilities USELESS) Yeah, Aeris/Aerith's death affected a lot of people... but that's partially because they actually made her a bound character. You see her from jump. You spend half the game "protecting" her and setting up a love triangle between her, Cloud, and Tits McPuncheverything. You didn't really expect her to go all Obi-Wan mid-game. The other part to that is the fact that she gets a bad-ass weapon early on you can jam full of materia, so that feeling of loss was amplified when all that grinding went to waste.

I will agree that Final Fantasy VII being an untouchable sacred cow is a bit much, it had its flaws like the control scheme changing from fixed screen to fixed screen and unskippable summons (first 3 times you see Knights of the Round after doing all that shit to get it is AWESOME, around the 10th time, you almost don't want to use it anymore unless you're about to go make a sandwich) but it was a game changer in ways that GTA3 or Halo would eventually be.

If Square were to follow their own logic, they would have to somehow do the same thing again. But when you've already done something as monumental as bring RPG's to the forefront and make them as "cool" as action platformers (at the time), make the jump from 2d to 3d, and have a story that keeps people from beginning to end, how do you "improve" upon that? The remake would NEVER come to light.

That was way more than I intended to write. -_-
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Im in two minds about it, loved FF7 and its one of my favourite Final Fantasy games but I wasnt fond of the "universe" they created around it. If they remake FF7 from the ground up they'd probably go with the grey pallette and horrible versions of the characters they had in Advent Children, Dirge of Cerberus, etc.
I enjoyed the combat, the magic system, etc of FFVII enough that I rebought it on PSN. The story and characters, though, never did it for me. Even back in the day.

They don't need to. I though it was enjoyable. I just didn't think it was mind-blowing or Jesusy. Though the cut-scenes were great for the time, and that certainly helped sell the game.

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I wouldn't out and out blast the game, it just seems like another JRPG to me. Then again, and as KK noted, I was versed in JRPGs long before FF7 so I guess people hold that game as their sacred entry to the genre. Like GoldenEye and how people feel about console FPS games.
And why Halo defined a whole new generation of shooters. At least, on consoles.

It's the "Your First Doctor" thing. And it's not just games. Hence why I likened it to a Doctor Who ordeal.

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FF8 was my introduction to the series and I played FF6 on rom before I picked up 7. Still prefer it to both of them.
And it admittedly won't fit every person, but that doesn't invalidate it as a trend.

I remember this becoming a huge watershed moment in RPGs, where the JRPG became much more prominent in the US. Which was cool for me, because it meant local game stores started stocking them so I didn't have to pay exorbitant prices for so-called niche games at non-gaming shops. One of the things that kept me from playing a lot of JRPGs when I was younger was the fact that they were priced like imports in my area. Shelf space is an even more precious thing when you're in a region of small towns with small businesses.

However, even in places with running water and indoor plumbing, this was a huge explosion in JRPGs.
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It's like the author is trying to undercut his thesis at every corner.

Well, not every corner. More like 2/3.
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Thank God there's no accountability within the PC market, eh?
I really have no idea what kind of point you're trying to make here.

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Yes. People have asked for a VII remix since PS2 hit the markets. It is (arguably) the most popular and widely recognized installment of the entire series. It would break records, I would imagine.
So, forgive me, but what exactly is a remix? Is it just re-releasing the game with updated graphics? Does it involve updating the game's content? Could it even include a quest to revive Aeris?

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Thinking about the FF series.... what is it that made VII so great? Was it the fact that it was one of the first console RPG's that used polygons that was made widely available? Was it Aeris getting gutted by Sephiroth? Just the overall game?
For me, I think I liked 10 the most, followed by 6, then 7. I'd probably have 7 higher on my list, but I had a bad experience with is. I missed the Ramuh materia, because you only get a single opportunity to get it, and when I realized this, I just got kinda disheartened.

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It's the "Your First Doctor" thing. And it's not just games. Hence why I likened it to a Doctor Who ordeal.
Maybe I'm just odd, but my favorite Doctor isn't my first Doctor. Granted, my first Doctor is the First Doctor.

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I feel like I need to go back and play the card game in 8. I don't think I played it once. I loved Tetra Master, and I played 9 before 8.
Triple Triad! That game was awesome.
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Maybe I'm just odd, but my favorite Doctor isn't my first Doctor. Granted, my first Doctor is the First Doctor.
Yeah, you're just odd.

Then again, Hartnell's Doctor was a dick.
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The First Doctor wasn't really a dick, just a bit creepy and sexist. The Third and Fourth Doctors were definitely more dickish. Though maybe that makes the First Doctor more dickish, because he was only dickish to women?

But this isn't really the right forum to discuss this, is it?
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... not sure how I feel about being "that guy".

I like explaining myself, leaving as little to unintentional interpretation, but I hate writing/reading wall-o-text.
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