06-06-2013, 09:21 AM | #281 |
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yup. And the complaint about the finisher thing was a bit ridiculous as well until Jabba spoke up. And the Sheamus White Noise/setup stuff, dunno, it's like you go out of your way to make some daft complaints about certain individuals despite a lot of these things being standard practices in televised pro wrestling in it's current form/style for decades.
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06-06-2013, 09:24 AM | #282 | |
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Which other "finisher thing" do you mean? |
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06-06-2013, 09:25 AM | #283 |
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06-06-2013, 09:30 AM | #284 |
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as I said I'm on my way out. If you want me to do that, I can respond in detail later. And the other finisher thing in the sense that "a finisher should be used when necessary", which couldn't really be further from reality in sense of how you structure a match (at least one that you want the people watching to get as "involved in" as possible) and then Jabba brings up (paraphrasing) "you should always be looking to hit it" which is pretty much spot on.
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06-06-2013, 09:39 AM | #285 | |
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That said, of course, I'd always much rather people give their input with actual detail than just something (no disrespect) useless like "oofah". "Oofah" doesn't teach me anything. |
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06-06-2013, 09:41 AM | #286 |
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but come on, "oofah" is a fun word I'll be back on later/carry on listening.
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06-06-2013, 09:53 AM | #287 |
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This is true enough.
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06-06-2013, 09:59 AM | #288 |
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Some of TNAs stuff is pretty r efreshing in comparison to WWE, tbh. I'm not completely sold but I mean, the "loltna" days are probably over soon. Yeah, we give WWE a little tough love in this episode but we have some good things to say about the product as well. The Shield stuff and rhe Daniel Bryan stuff is on fire lately. The Curtis Axel thing puts a bad taste in my mouth at the moment, but its not like we didn't know they were going to try to ruin him before he even got a chance.
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06-06-2013, 10:08 AM | #289 |
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Didn't listen to the podcast but I hope you guys don't think you can go from legit Jobber to legit Main Eventer that fast.
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06-06-2013, 10:15 AM | #290 |
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I don't follow.
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06-06-2013, 10:18 AM | #291 |
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If I remember correctly last PC guys you were saying Curtis should have got the clean win over Cena.
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06-06-2013, 10:22 AM | #292 |
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He should have. (I didn't know you meant Axel.)
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06-06-2013, 10:25 AM | #293 | |
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I guess my biggest gripe about this is why do you go through all the trouble to give this guy prime TV spots and give him Heyman as a promo man if you don't want him to actually beat anybody. They protect people far too much. If you want the guy to be a big deal, make him a big deal. There is no way around having a guy beat top competition if you want him to be big. There just isn't. I wish there was, but there isn't. |
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06-06-2013, 10:29 AM | #294 |
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Well he's beating Sin Cara on Smackdown, their biggest problem is that Heels hold all the secondary titles. If Dean loses the US title or if Miz wins the IC title that should be the next target for Axel. He can be built up, he's holding his own with Cena, that a pretty good rub right there. And you are right they should have played up that he beat HHH.
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06-06-2013, 10:30 AM | #295 |
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06-06-2013, 10:35 AM | #296 |
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Well, they are making a point to say this guy is the next big deal and they are putting him in main events. If they want us to take him as a main eventer, he needs to beat main eventers. Thats my take. I just hate how they're always so afraid to make guys a big deal but they want you to treat them like a big deal anyway. Its frustrating.
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06-06-2013, 10:36 AM | #297 | |
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06-06-2013, 10:39 AM | #298 |
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Its to early for a main event spot for him right now, the general fan isn't buying it, perhaps after a lengthy IC title run that opportunity can open.
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06-06-2013, 10:44 AM | #299 |
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Yeah, maybe an IC title reign would do. I'm just saying, if he isn't ready, then he shouldn't be main eventing and being pushed as the second coming of Mr. Perfect. They are sending us the message of "hey, you need to care about this guy right now," but booking is telling us another story.
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06-06-2013, 10:45 AM | #300 | |
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If he beat Cena clean I would have said "What? why?" and then I would have hoped they threw out the 3 Stages of hell scenario and made it a Triple threat match where he goes toe to to with Cena and Ryback and comes really close to winning. But that would be stupid to make such a left turn right there. Why damage your Payback main event by making Cena lose to Axel? Why SHOULD Axel beat him cleanly, there is no reason to. Remember when Ryback was hot-shotted to the main event lost and kept losing against Punk because Punk had to hold the title until atleast the Rumble? While he was losing by dirty means it still tarnished his rep to the point where he loses his WM match and one could predict he is on his way down the card now. |
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06-06-2013, 10:46 AM | #301 |
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From what I've seen only Heyman is giving that message. Heyman is trying to prove to everyone that he is legit, no one else has bought it yet, but Axel hasn't lost yet so he's still moving forward.
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06-06-2013, 10:48 AM | #302 |
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Well, a clean victory would probably do that. But if Ryback drove an ambulance out and Axel capitalized and got the win, that doesn't hurt anything. I see what you're saying though.
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06-06-2013, 10:54 AM | #303 | |
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However, your opponent also knows this, so it shouldn't be possible to successfully hit your finisher in every match, when your opponent is looking out for it. This is why I have a problem with the whole "I'm heading up top, uncharacteristically, so that I can dive towards Randy Orton, neck first" thing. |
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06-06-2013, 10:55 AM | #304 |
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Well, he's been in the main event on every RAW since he's debuted and they recap all of his segments like 7000 times. I think I can safely assume that they want him to be a big deal. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong. Triple H apparently made the call to bring him in cause he's thinks he's the next "guy." It doesn't make sense to me that he'd be ready to main event shows but not ready to win main events. If he's "the guy" that you are giving your PRIME tv real estate, then he's gotta be worth investing in. There is no way around not beatinf main eventers if he is to be taken as a big deal.
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06-06-2013, 11:00 AM | #305 |
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Well for they past 3 weeks he's been used to Get HHH's attention off Lesnar and then let Ryback get the upperhand on Cena two times to put Ryback a bit over. It's to early to tell what they really want to do with him.
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06-06-2013, 11:07 AM | #306 |
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I think just going off the fact that he's being managed by Paul Heyman, who manages the other two biggest stars in the company, we can probably assume that he's supposed to be a big deal. Not to mention that he's in the main event every week. But what do I know? I could be wrong.
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He's not the new badass on the street though he's the new "Blue Chipper" as JR used to say. No one is running in fear from him because they remember his past, he is building himself up now.
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06-06-2013, 01:12 PM | #309 |
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Wha...fuckin'...Dude, he'd be the new badass if they MADE him the new badass. In fact, you're making the same argument, just saying he needs a title instead of just having him beat top guys. You honestly think he couldn't have rolled up Cena off the Ryback ambulance distraction beFORE Cena forgot he was in a match? You expect me to believe that it's better that Triple H wandered away from the ring due to a concussion rather than falter in the ring to allow Axel to pin him by it? You are out of your god damned mind.
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06-06-2013, 01:13 PM | #310 |
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Tangent: I'd like to see Bryan beat Ryback at the PPV after Payback then have Big E Finish him off at Summer Slam.
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06-06-2013, 01:15 PM | #311 |
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06-06-2013, 01:16 PM | #312 |
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06-06-2013, 01:33 PM | #314 |
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Narc says I'm being snarky, but fuck that. Savior must explain himself to me, because my brain is overloading.
I want to be clear: I love conversation, and I encourage anyone who thinks I'm a blithering idiot to talk to me about it and enlighten me, if nothing else, as to why we see things in different lights. I am not intending to intimidate anyone who doesn't agree that Orton is a shitbag fuck sucker. Still, though, Savior: you're killin' me, bud. |
06-06-2013, 01:34 PM | #315 |
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Also, what are they protecting by not having him get wins over the main eventers? Would Triple H or John Cena lose any credibility whatsoever by putting Axel over? I don't think os. John Cena lost probably most of his PPV matches last year and was bested by Punk on several occasions. He is no worse off for it. Now, if they brought him in as a midcard guy I could understand all of this but he's been thrusted into the main event immediately. He's either at that level or he isn't. The way they are booking this is just very confusing.
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06-06-2013, 01:36 PM | #316 |
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I just don't think Axel should beat Cena clean.
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06-06-2013, 01:39 PM | #317 |
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What is your definition of clean? If Ryback cause a distraction and Curt capitalizes then Cena loses nothing. If Triple H's head explodes and Curt capitalizes then Triple H loses nothing. These count out victories just don't mean anything.
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Curtis could have beat HHH by pinfall but I think it was more dramatic that HHH just could not continue the match. I still think HHH should not have been able to continue after Axel pulled off a move on the outside, like whipping him into the ring post. |
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