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Old 01-13-2017, 06:18 PM   #121
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Plus you'll have a new opponent set up. Such simple but effective booking even fans of an indy fed like NJPW would love it.
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Old 01-13-2017, 06:35 PM   #122
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Agree to disagree. He has good to great matches on top, gets a huge reaction, sells merch, has carried the mail while Cena has been off, led the company to higher Network subs. I don't see any mistake there.

I get why people don't like him as ab abyface (he's not Daniel Bryan), but if you just look at the performer, you see a hard working dude, that looks like a million bucks, paid his dues, and now is hitting it out of the park. Maybe not as far out of the park as Cena, but Cena was an all time great.
You chalking this ALL up to him not being Daniel Bryan is....well..stupid

At one point maybe that was true ROMAN WAS OVER AS FUCK WHEN HE SAID VERY LITTLE AND JUST WAS THE DESTROYER of The Shield. He was actually quite likeable in his appernce on Conan.

We've been through this Bryan has a spark that Roman just does not have. He never will have it WWE tried to place him as a sympathetic babyface and fans cheered when he got his ass kicked. They tried to make him the determined face who cracks wise at his enemies and it was a rehash of John Cena except Cena is worlds better at it and can go beyond it.

Reigns has terrible shit lines written for him

He NEVER left The Shield


He's decent enough in ring but his style is akin to watching stuff blow up for an hr
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Old 01-13-2017, 07:03 PM   #123
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Why don't you guys fight in the opener for the RIGHT to be the one to get their hands on me. Should be a bloodbath!
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Old 01-13-2017, 07:15 PM   #124
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I thought they were trying to achieve with Reigns what they did with Cena's US Title run. It gets him out of the "main event" spotlight whilst still giving him a segment to carry and a belt to market to kiddies. It didn't work nearly as well with Reigns, because you can feel that no one in the building gave a fuck when he won the belt. A lot of what Reigns has "works on paper," but that's as far as it goes.

But the dude is such a natural heel. Look at the Royal Rumble. The beating he got from The League of Nations that sent him to the back. That was allegedly Reigns' own idea. If that is the case, he even thinks like a heel in real life. That beating made him look like an opportunistic bitch.

Still, I'll take him as RAW Champion over Kevin Owens at this point. I'd slap the belt on Reigns, make him carry it properly and give him new entrance music. Something that makes him feel "different." Sell the Universal Title as something that has evolved Reigns. Then have him squash Goldberg at WrestleMania.
Cena wasn't featured in the main event every week when he was US champion. Had his own segment that was about half way through the show usally. Reigns was even featured in the main event when he was fighting for the US title before he started wrestling Jericho and Owens every week. Don't really understand why he needed the US title as they kind of hand cuffed it with the Universal title but it's on Jericho now so I guess it worked out. I don't think they put it on him with the plan to drop it to Jericho though as I believe they just slapped it on him so he'd have a title and now that they want to put the other title on him he had to drop it.
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Old 01-13-2017, 07:35 PM   #125
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I agree with you, SF. They didn't copy the Cena method well enough with Reigns. It's weird that you have a WWE Main Eventer (even if he's not accepted as such) holding a mid-card title and a mid-carder holding the "World Title."
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Old 01-13-2017, 07:53 PM   #126
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You chalking this ALL up to him not being Daniel Bryan is....well..stupid

At one point maybe that was true ROMAN WAS OVER AS FUCK WHEN HE SAID VERY LITTLE AND JUST WAS THE DESTROYER of The Shield. He was actually quite likeable in his appernce on Conan.

We've been through this Bryan has a spark that Roman just does not have. He never will have it WWE tried to place him as a sympathetic babyface and fans cheered when he got his ass kicked. They tried to make him the determined face who cracks wise at his enemies and it was a rehash of John Cena except Cena is worlds better at it and can go beyond it.

Reigns has terrible shit lines written for him

He NEVER left The Shield


He's decent enough in ring but his style is akin to watching stuff blow up for an hr
You're right there just isn't anything to feel sympathetic for about him. Even when he's had chances to get that big reaction that they want him to get a ducks it up. It was a few months ago and it might have been his feud with Rusev but he had the guy down in the ring with a chair in hand and the crowd wanted him to use it. What did he do, opened up the chair and took a seat. Yeah he eventually used it but he had the crowd in his hands didn't capitalize. Part of that might be him just going by the script of what he's told but at times like that you got to improvise.
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Old 01-13-2017, 07:57 PM   #127
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There are very few guys on the roster with the balls to do that sort of thing. I can understand that people don't want to rock the boat and they like their positions, but I think that it does subconsciously bury them in fans' minds. When everyone is subservient and just following orders, no one really transcends.
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Old 01-13-2017, 07:58 PM   #128
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Reigns still wrestles in a fucking protective vest that doesn't do anything.
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Old 01-13-2017, 09:12 PM   #129
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Now tell me how I'm wrong and how the fans are chomping at the bit for Roman to be champ again

tell me how his winning the belt from Triple H was met with adulation on par with DB.
and how Vince's scheme to force feed Roman to the fans is going according to plan because eventually they'll get tired of booing and just become apathetic allowing the cheers of soccer moms and kids to become dominant.
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Old 01-13-2017, 09:19 PM   #130
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When everyone is subservient and just following orders, no one really transcends.
That's another reason why Cena, Lesnar, Y2J, Goldberg, Rock, HHH, Austin and Taker are more over and bigger than the supposed "main eventers" of today. They don't give a shit about pissing Vince off or losing their jobs. If something isn't right, simply doesn't work, or there's an opportunity to get over or improve the storyline/themselves/etc., they'll speak up and say something or improvise in the moment. Today's main event guys just don't have that edge and are just too complacent, ignorant, lazy or some combo of all, to realize the opportunity and capitalize on it.
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Old 01-13-2017, 09:33 PM   #131
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The main event of Mania 32 should have been Heel Reigns vs. Babyface Brock for the WWE Title. Just saying. People would LOVE to see Brock beat the piss out of Reigns again.
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Old 01-13-2017, 10:10 PM   #132
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You shut your dirty whore mouth noid. KO is not mid card.
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Old 01-14-2017, 01:55 PM   #133
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That's another reason why Cena, Lesnar, Y2J, Goldberg, Rock, HHH, Austin and Taker are more over and bigger than the supposed "main eventers" of today. They don't give a shit about pissing Vince off or losing their jobs. If something isn't right, simply doesn't work, or there's an opportunity to get over or improve the storyline/themselves/etc., they'll speak up and say something or improvise in the moment. Today's main event guys just don't have that edge and are just too complacent, ignorant, lazy or some combo of all, to realize the opportunity and capitalize on it.
To be fair, those part-timers have good reason to not worry about pissing Vince off and losing their jobs. They're either set for life, famous enough to go make plenty of money elsewhere or both. The full-timers don't have the same luxury. No more WCW to go to and keep making as much, if not more money.
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Old 01-14-2017, 06:49 PM   #134
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You shut your dirty whore mouth noid. KO is not mid card.
I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, Seph.
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Old 01-14-2017, 06:52 PM   #135
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To be fair, those part-timers have good reason to not worry about pissing Vince off and losing their jobs. They're either set for life, famous enough to go make plenty of money elsewhere or both. The full-timers don't have the same luxury. No more WCW to go to and keep making as much, if not more money.
God, how wonderful it would be if there were a place for talent to go that could pay them on a comparative scale to Vince. The only downside to it is that if there were such a place, Daniel Bryan might still be wrestling and do some real serious damage to himself. I imagine there might be some sort of modern deal worked out where if you are found to be medically unfit for wrestling you contract gets frozen or a no-compete kicks in. But I'm not sure if that is even legal. I mean, Bryan got independent doctors to clear him too.
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God, how wonderful it would be if there were a place for talent to go that could pay them on a comparative scale to Vince. The only downside to it is that if there were such a place, Daniel Bryan might still be wrestling and do some real serious damage to himself. I imagine there might be some sort of modern deal worked out where if you are found to be medically unfit for wrestling you contract gets frozen or a no-compete kicks in. But I'm not sure if that is even legal. I mean, Bryan got independent doctors to clear him too.
There is a place, it's called TNA, but companies not run by Vince are unable to succeed at a large level. But there's nothing stopping any of these companies from signing top talent to improve their product. Or better yet, create their own stars.

Vince is so good, he's now basically recreating the territory system on his own to feed the WWE. Shows that nobody else knows how to make this thing work.
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Old 01-16-2017, 04:43 PM   #137
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I don't think tna can offer the same base money wwe can offer. Really their only advantage is for guys who have some talent but aren't featured getting a chance to shine with them.
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TNA can offer really big money to one or two talents they want to keep happy that can basically run the playground and do whatever they want. It was Angle and Sting that were getting the golden goose eggs when Spike TV was covering them, then it became a Bully Ray playground, and now it belongs to The Hardys. I'd love to see them jump back over to the WWE, but the freedom to do drugs and act the fools whilst being two of the only talents that presumably get paid on time is probably too enticing.
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