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Old 10-06-2011, 03:19 PM   #1081
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Old 10-06-2011, 03:46 PM   #1082
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you realize trent dilfer ( a widely renown crap QB) won a superbowl for you guys


by your logic he is at the same level as both mannings and brees because he has won just as many as them
Im surprised you didnt drag out ole reliable "better than Dan Marino??!" line

I get the Ravens Super Bowl team had nothing to do with Dilfer. The Ravens went 6 games straight that year without scoring a TD and still managed to win 2 of those games. When you have like the 2nd or 3rd best defense of all time, it didnt matter who was the QB. the Ravens defense of the last couple years has been good, but not 2000 good.

Im hearing grumblings of how the defense this year is 2000-esque, and while you can see it, their secondary is at best adequate at the moment and if that doesnt improve they'll be burned sometime in the passing game enough to stop the comparisons. People are saying as easy as their schedule is, its possible they could out-do 2000 :

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In only four games, Baltimore has forced 11 fumbles, picked off six passes and recorded 11 sacks. The defense has allowed only four touchdowns, none in the fourth quarter and 57 total points.
The Ravens defense in the 2000 season finished with 23 interceptions, 35 sacks and plus-23 turnover ratio and only allowed a total of 18 touchdowns.

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Old 10-06-2011, 04:06 PM   #1083
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Flacco was called a crap QB. Crap QBs dont have 36 wins in their first 3 years in the league. Kyle fucking Boller had the same god damned defense for 3 years and he didn't win shit with it. Kyle Boller is a crap QB. So you can't fucking tell me for a second that Flacco's 36 wins, 4 of which were on the road in the playoffs, were all because he was lucky to have the Ravens defense. If that was the case boller would be on his way to the fucking hall of fame by now.
So if you love his cock in your bald festering mouth so much, why are you "sky is falling" if they lose and hope they SUCK FOR LUCK? Is the idea of Sucking for a Tall man too much for you to ignore?
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So you can't fucking tell me for a second that Flacco's 36 wins, 4 of which were on the road in the playoffs, were all because he was lucky to have the Ravens defense.
Yes, yes I can. Starting with the 4 wins you seem to care most about.

Ravens' stats from the 4 road playoff wins:

2008 Wild Card vs Dolphins (27-9)
Flacco - 9/23 135yds 0 TDs
McClain and McGahee - 137 yds 1 TD
Defense - 4 INTs, 3 sacks, 1 FF, 1 TD

2008 Divisional vs Titans (13-10)
Flacco - 11/22 161yds 1 TD
McClain and McGahee - 44yds
Defense - 1 INT, 1 sack, 3 FFs

2009 Wildcard vs Patriots (33-14)
Flacco - 4/10 34yds 0 TDs 1 INT
Rice and McGahee - 221 yds, 3 TDs
Defense - 3 INTs, 3 sacks, 1 FF

2010 Wildcard vs Chiefs (30-7)
Flacco - 25/34 265yds 2 TDs
Rice and McGahee - 101yds, 1 TD
Defense - 3 INTs, 3 sacks, 2 FFs

Clearly Flacco did good last year, but for his 3rd year you'd better fucking hope so. But the other 3 wins he averaged from below average to shit. Meanwhile the constant in all 3 games is the ridiculous defense and a good run game. I dare you to tell me that without the D putting up stats like that that the Ravens ever even have a chance of make it past the Wildcard

11 INTs, 10 sacks, 7 FFs and 1 TD in 4 games? Jesus
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Old 10-06-2011, 04:13 PM   #1085
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if they had lost to the Rams, then something would have needed to happen, but that was a worst case scenario, especially considering I thought the Jets would be a tougher matchup then they were..

Problem I have the most as do most Ravens fans is Cam Cameron. Why they would have continued to throw the ball vs the Jets was baffling..
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Old 10-06-2011, 04:31 PM   #1086
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I think someone from ESPN during the preseason or at least before the blowout win against the Steelers had hinted the Ravens were considering dumping or trading Flaco after this season if he had another average or bad year.

Can't remember the exact details but it had to do with them feeling either he had plateaued and wouldn't get any better like Alex Smith on the 49ers or the defense side was complaining the offense was basically "wasting" their window of opportunity while the team still had a quality defense.
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Old 10-06-2011, 04:36 PM   #1087
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And for comparisons sake, lets look at the Raven's stats in the 3 playoff losses:

2008 Conference vs Steelers (14-23)
Flacco - 13/30 141yds 0 TD 3 INTs
McGahee - 60yds 2 TDs
Defense - 4 sacks, 1 FF, 307 total yds allowed

2009 Division vs Colts (3-20)
Flacco - 20/35 189yds 0 TDs 2 INTs
Rice - 67yds
Defense - 1 INT, 2 sacks, 288 total yards allowed

2010 Division vs Pittsburgh (24-31)
Flacco - 16/30 125yds 1 TD 1 INT
Rice - 32yds 1 TD
Defense - 6 sacks, 2 FF, 297 total yards allowed


He's such a great QB he still can't win even when the defense is just average
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Old 10-06-2011, 04:44 PM   #1088
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And for comparisons sake, lets look at the Raven's stats in the 3 playoff losses:

2008 Conference vs Steelers (14-23)
Flacco - 13/30 141yds 0 TD 3 INTs
McGahee - 60yds 2 TDs
Defense - 4 sacks, 1 FF, 307 total yds allowed

2009 Division vs Colts (3-20)
Flacco - 20/35 189yds 0 TDs 2 INTs
Rice - 67yds
Defense - 1 INT, 2 sacks, 288 total yards allowed

2010 Division vs Pittsburgh (24-31)
Flacco - 16/30 125yds 1 TD 1 INT
Rice - 32yds 1 TD
Defense - 6 sacks, 2 FF, 297 total yards allowed


He's such a great QB he still can't win even when the defense is just average
Thats still better than average....
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Old 10-06-2011, 04:45 PM   #1089
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Just give up Droford. You are wrong and are just going to keep fighting this battle to try to make yourself seem right in your own flawed logic. And you are going to be proven wrong, again and again, just like every day of your life.

Just walk away.
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Thats still better than average....
True, and I wasn't even considering how insanely low those total yards allowed are given how often Flacco was just handing the ball over. 6 INTs and a lost fumble and yet only ONE game where they allowed over 300 yards? Come on
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I cant remember a time in recent years the bills had 6 sacks in 3 games total, let alone 1!
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Old 10-06-2011, 06:57 PM   #1092
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Last years Pittsburgh game is the toughest of those 3 games cause they had the game in hand at the half and pretty much gave it away in the 2nd half and I'll attribute it to being in Pittsburgh. It went to the point for this year that they needed to do whatever it is they had to do to win the Division so that they'd get home playoff games were they have the best record in football since 2008 (21-5 vs 14-12 on the road).
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Old 10-06-2011, 10:55 PM   #1093
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You heard it hear first. Droford thinks the Ravens are soft on the road.

Overrated? Sure sounds like it. According to Droford at least.
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:02 PM   #1094
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Droford, you are making me embarrassed to be a Ravens fan right now.
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:25 PM   #1095
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You should all ready be embarassed to be a Ravens fan since you are from Philadelphia.
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:51 PM   #1096
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Droford, you are making me embarrassed to be a Ravens fan right now.
you should share some of your opinions! Would Flacco have more impressive numbers if the Ravens had more than 1 decent WR and a more competent Offensive Coordinator? Isn't it amazing he managed 3600 yards the last two years with the WR's he had? Am I wrong to be angry that an .800 team at home is barely .500 on the road?

If Flacco had the WRs that Manning has, he has the arm to throw for as many yards and TDs as Manning does..whether or not Cameron would utilize them right is another story (probably not)..
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amazing indeed, Anquan Boldin and Derrick Mason are completely worthless. Peyton would be lucky to throw for 3500 yards with those bums
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amazing indeed, Anquan Boldin and Derrick Mason are completely worthless. Peyton would be lucky to throw for 3500 yards with those bums
Only had Boldin last year and Ray Rice (63 for 556) almost had more catches than he did (64 for 837). In 09 Rice had more catches (78 for 702) than Mason (73 for 1028).

Ray Rice is a RB, and while its nice to have a recieving threat in the bacfield, they shouldn't be the best reciever on the team, but he pretty much has been for the last two years.
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I already have shared my opinions.
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You should all ready be embarassed to be a Ravens fan since you are from Philadelphia.
I'll admit I'm not a huge football fan, so when I started actually watching when I was younger, I didn't really have a team. My friend who got me into it is a Ravens fan, so I watched who he watched. I liked what I saw & stuck with it. Plus I was a big fan of Trent Dilfer because of Madden 99.

I don't see the problem.

Is it because I'm not ignorant & fickle like 90% of Eagles fans are?
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Old 10-07-2011, 01:15 AM   #1102
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screech deserves credit for being a Trent Dilfer fan
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So, Skippord... I haven't been paying tons of attention. Why is there such a movement to get Tebow starting? Does everyone actually think he's going to tear it up or do they just want him because he portrays a better image and everyone hates Orton?
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I'll admit I'm not a huge football fan, so when I started actually watching when I was younger, I didn't really have a team. My friend who got me into it is a Ravens fan, so I watched who he watched. I liked what I saw & stuck with it. Plus I was a big fan of Trent Dilfer because of Madden 99.

I don't see the problem.

Is it because I'm not ignorant & fickle like 90% of Eagles fans are?
Screech, I like you, but you a fraud. This is America you have every right to be a fraud. If you are happy with it then I am happy for you.
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I don't get how I'm a fraud just because I don't follow ONE team in my hometown. I didn't grow up an Eagles fan, I'm not going to magically become one.

I love when I get this argument, though. No one can ever explain why. It's always "How can you not be an Eagles fan?" It's pretty easy, really.
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So, Skippord... I haven't been paying tons of attention. Why is there such a movement to get Tebow starting? Does everyone actually think he's going to tear it up or do they just want him because he portrays a better image and everyone hates Orton?
Orton and Quinn arent under contract for next year, Tebow is. Orton was named starter because, as repeated constantly by John Fox, he offers the team the "best chance to win", but the team is NOT winning.

So if Orton is for all intents and purposes gone after this season and the team is losing and likely won't even sniff a division lead, why the fuck is the young exciting QB siting on the bench? He may not be the best QB but at least he's something new and different. You can only watch Orton crumble under pressure and fold over into sacks so many times before any back up starts to look good, let alone a guy like Tebow
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The only thing I can definitively say about Tim Tebow is that he lit it up when I played with the Broncos in Madden.

That's enough of a reason to start him for me.
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You can't not cheer for The Eagles and then cheer for the Phillies. Especially when one of those reasons is because you hate Eagles fan and you are from the same town as Eagles fans who also are Phillies fans. It's a violation.

It's not life and death you don't have to get mad. You just gotta roll with the punches... That's all.

*Quick edit *

Screech, if you don't see this edit before your next post my apolgies.

I'm pretty sure you are a Phillies fan, but if you aren't... I know you have stated you don't like Eagles fans so my point still stands if you are in fact not a Phillies fan.
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I don't get why Tebow doesn't at least play in like a wildcat like formation. At least make defenses prepare for something else.

It does kind of seem spiteful not to play him.
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I'm not mad, I'm just confused. In my experience Eagles fans are more annoying, simple and short-sighted than Phillies fans.

I spurn those Phillies fans who exhibit the same behavior, but I do that to any fans. Can't stand it.
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Don't understand why this has to be true other than "because I say so" or "because it's what I do."

It really is okay to like different teams.
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I don't get why Tebow doesn't at least play in like a wildcat like formation. At least make defenses prepare for something else.

It does kind of seem spiteful not to play him.
Agreed. I think what pisses most Tebow supporters off most is Fox straight up lying about the competition being open from the beginning. It was supposed to be even between Orton, Tebow and Quinn yet Orton went from almost gone the day before training camp opened to getting exclusive time with the starters on the first day. Quinn and Tebow at no point got ANY time with the starters. Games or practice, nothing.

Yet fans are seriously supposed to by into "well we had an open competition and Kyle won"? Orton got to look good in practice throwing to guys like Eddie Royal, Brandon Lloyd and Eric (Fucking) Decker. Quinn had Royal/Decker, Matt Willis and Eron Riley. Tim had Matt Willis, Eron Riley, D'Andre Goodwin, Jamel Hamler. Not exactly a group you can shine with and far from fair. Yet Tim still outperformed Quinn in the preseason
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I've never liked the Eagles (not just because of the majority of their fans - that came later), but I've been a Phillies fan my whole life. Probably has a lot to do with it.
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I like that you call him Eric Fucking Decker.

I may add him to my fantasy team just on that.
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Last year was Brandon Lloyd's year to have the title, now it's Decker's time to shine. Him being available in any league is a travesty. Dude just scores touchdowns
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