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Old 03-03-2010, 07:54 PM   #441
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That's a quote from Mathew Fox. I heard Damen Lindelof talking more or less about the same thing in another interview
well there you go. I stand corrected. Apologies
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Old 03-03-2010, 08:13 PM   #442
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Thanks Kano for taking the time to type all of that

You answered a lot of questions. You actually sprung to mind another question I meant to ask as well. When we are talking about the "infected" here. What is the infection exactly? Is it a pyscological infection or what? How is MIB infecting them? I never quite understood this.

But yea, I am also curious about where Whidmore and Desmond will end up in this final season.
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The whole 'infected'/sickness thing, there are different versions or instances of what is supposedly out there....

The first time the idea of infection come up was with the French woman in season 1, she claimed it had infected her team and she was forced to kill them. In season 5 we saw the smoke monster take one or some of her team into the ruins and underground, and kill others. Robert I think was his name, he came back to the beach and appeared to be friendly to the French woman (this is when Jin was time shifted back to when they arrived and she was still pregnant), but he wanted to kill her. So wherever he went, he was either 'infected' or possessed by the MIB whether he had died or not, like Sayid or Claire. So since he wanted her dead, he was infected, acting in the interest of the MIB, for what reason I don't know....maybe to actually kill Alex, her unborn child? An attempt that might of been re-attempted when Widmore claimed it was the will of the Island for the child to be killed. I believe what we are being told about him wanting everyone dead is true.

Then in Season 2 with Desmond. Kelvin claimed there was an infection out there, so he wore the suit. But then he and we saw that it was bollocks because the suite had a tear and he was really venturing out to fix Desmond's boat. But Desmond still injected himself everyday up until he killed Kelvin I think. The same injection Ethan gave Claire and her baby. Not forgetting the 'QUARANTINE' notices on the Swan hatch door, and even the Arrow station with the tailies.

But what's going on now, to do with Claire and Sayid - I don't know exactly how it works, but with Sayid - 'he was dead for 2 hours' according to Hurley, and then was back - think it's something about them dying, and the MIB able to control them. And I always thought....that when Keamy's men shot a rocket at Claire's house in Dharmaville in season 4 and she was hurt, and Sawyer saved her, although it was moments after it happened and Sawyer found her, what if that explosion actually killed her? she vanished into the jungle and found her 'father', who was really the MIB very easily. Maybe the MIB 'took her' and started to poison her soul straight away when she died then and there. It's just an idea.

If she did not die, it must simply be that with enough manipulation and power, the MIB can begin to 'claim' people's soul. And if they are weak enough, or tempted by what they perceive to be good (Claire, her father and the promise of Aaron. Sayid, the promise of Nadia) then they are 'amenable for coercion' (a term that undercover cop used to describe Locke, who would eventually become the ultimate pawn).

So yeah, with regard to what kind of infection it is - it's like supernatural psychological I guess. It's about being able to exploit people's emotional/spiritual characteristics and manipulate the physical (dead body theory). How he is infecting them? - still don't actually know what he is, in the simplest idea, I guess he and Jacob are two entities on a completely different and higher plane of existence to mere mortals. It will be interesting to finally find out what they are, how they became 'trapped' in this whole service to the Island thing. Not forgetting the Island itself. The MIB saw that kid who told him about breaking the rules, so MIB is not the know all and end all to this whole mystery, which is pretty fuckin sweet.

Least that's my take on it at the moment. Even with a theme with the sickness/infection, there's a lot to think about and wonder what the deal is.
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Kano is my Lost wikipedia site. ok, so at least we don't know yet on what this infection really is yet. It's just something that causes people to get demented or whatever
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Old 03-04-2010, 02:52 PM   #446
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Any one else notice Jack in the hospital when Sayied went into the Hospital to check on his brother in law? They walked past each other in the hall way
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:19 PM   #447
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I don't wanna sound like I'm bitching too much but I don't feel like I'm as "into" the final season as I expected I would be.

I mean, yeah we're getting answers but are they the ones we've waited 6 years for?

At the moment they seem to have neglected how the rest of the mythology they have built up through Seasons 1 -5 will fit into the overall story. How did the Dharma Initiative find the island? Do people like Alvar Hanso or Charles Widmore still matter to the story? How are the numbers (which are now connected to our main characters) relevant to the computer in the Swan hatch? And so on.

Is it all gonna come down to the fact that Jacob brought everyone to the island as potential candidates? Or are his candidates made up of random people that have happened across the island? We now understand that Jacob has been watching the candidates live their off island lives, was it necessary for everything to happen just to get his "Top Picks" there?

Did he bring or allow the DI to come to the island so that they would tap into a pocket of energy, so that a station containing a button would need to be pressed every 108 minutes and then bring Desmond to the island so that he could one day miss pressing the button and bring down the plane containing Jack, Sawyer, Kate, et al?

I just hope that the writers retrace their steps a little to bring it all together.

At this point I have to believe they will.
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:31 PM   #448
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Aside from the above, this episode left me with one major query: WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE ASH?

We've been led to believe that the ash around the cabin was keeping something out (if it was to protect Jacob) or keeping something in (MiB?) - although contray to a post I made a couple weeks back...if MiB was trapped in the cabin, we wouldn't have "seen " the monster as early as the Pilot episode.

Recently we saw Braum try to protect himself from Smokey with a circle of ash and the monster using alternate methods (a stone pillar) to remove him from the cirlce so he could attack him. We've seen Illana collect some more ash and we saw the Others at the temple protect themselves with a big circle of ash when they learned of Jacob's demise.

In last night's episode we saw Flocke/MiB stand outside of the temple at the line of ash, where he sent Claire in to do his biding, presumably because he couldn't cross the ash line. Then we find out that it was Dogen that was keeping him out!!!

So, not the ash? Or was it somehow a combination of the ash and Dogen?

They seem to give us something (in this case the "fact" that Smokey can't cross the ash) and then take that from us. Which leaves us with yet another question to be answered (or an older question to be re-answered).

Perhaps I'm just getting a little impatient with it all now.
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Old 03-09-2010, 10:07 PM   #449
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another great episode. I'm a Ben fan and a Richard Alpert fan, so I really liked this one. Jack finally came to believe that he's on the island for a purpose. Ben almost getting swayed to the dark side and then having a change of heart was great. And I've always been a sucker for those slow motion reunions at the end of certain episodes with that same song playing in the background.

And then Whidmore to end it. Classic. Can't wait till next week
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Old 03-09-2010, 10:09 PM   #450
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Desmond must be coming soon, right?
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Old 03-10-2010, 04:33 AM   #451
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Was desperately hoping it was Desmond in the submarine instead of Widmore. Or even that they'd put their differences aside or something and come together.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:30 AM   #452
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oh yea, and that was interesting to know that Frank was suppossed to pilot 815 and then Ben goes the island got him in the end anyway
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:03 AM   #453
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We've known that Frank was supposed to pilot flight 815 since back in series 4 when we first saw him
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Aside from the above, this episode left me with one major query: WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE ASH?

We've been led to believe that the ash around the cabin was keeping something out (if it was to protect Jacob) or keeping something in (MiB?) - although contray to a post I made a couple weeks back...if MiB was trapped in the cabin, we wouldn't have "seen " the monster as early as the Pilot episode.

Recently we saw Braum try to protect himself from Smokey with a circle of ash and the monster using alternate methods (a stone pillar) to remove him from the cirlce so he could attack him. We've seen Illana collect some more ash and we saw the Others at the temple protect themselves with a big circle of ash when they learned of Jacob's demise.

In last night's episode we saw Flocke/MiB stand outside of the temple at the line of ash, where he sent Claire in to do his biding, presumably because he couldn't cross the ash line. Then we find out that it was Dogen that was keeping him out!!!

So, not the ash? Or was it somehow a combination of the ash and Dogen?

They seem to give us something (in this case the "fact" that Smokey can't cross the ash) and then take that from us. Which leaves us with yet another question to be answered (or an older question to be re-answered).

Perhaps I'm just getting a little impatient with it all now.
it has to do with the balance.... dogen was the on the side of the scale that was good. so mib couldnt cross the ash to his side or else it would disturb the balance. same with the dude trying it in the temple. with dogen dead, the ash doesnt work anymore.
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Desmond must be coming soon, right?
we can only hope. The past 2 seasons have been lacking in the Desmond department
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RECON -

Shit this episode was awesome, possibly my fave so far!

Although it was only one episode, I loved all the correlations and similarities and references to previous events and situations; how Widmore's camp is the new Othersville with the sonic fences and how the Hydra island in the new crash site.

Some other things...

- Claire holding Kate's hand, must be like how Jacob's touch is a gift, think Claire was channeling MIB's super manipulation powers.

- Sawyer has a whole lot of conning on his mind, still think he will turn face before the end when he realises what is really going on.

- Really want to know what MIB's real plan is. I believe it IS to kill everyone and once he and what he represents wins the almighty battle of dark vs light, whatever presents itself surely must be what the Island is all about.

- Sayid seemed to be on heroin this episode.

- Trying to figure out what is behind the locked door in the sub; Desmond?, another bomb?, Jacob's body/remains?, porn?


Did I mention this was a fucking good episode!?
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I find it interesting, that, as far as I can tell anyways, Fake Locke has yet to lie about a single thing, or at least not squirmed away from the truth (IE why he told Claire the Others had Aaron).
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Yeah that was what I forgot to mention! Yeah I noticed this when Sawyer asked about the people at The Temple. I DID think he was going to lie though.

The thing is, it's not what we know he has told the truth about as such, it's what we don't know what he could be or is lying about.

He does seem more appealing to the goals and motives of the characters, and us watching the show getting answers. He gives answers quickly, presents himself with a somewhat believable past - but he does represent manipulation, the dark, the corrupt and has the ability to instill beliefs and hope of destiny into people, people like Locke who is dead, Sayid who is claimed and compremised, Claire who is claimed and insane.

Sawyer though, who although is only looking out for himself and out to get off the Island, he is good, he isn't claimed and he is a candidate.

Jacob, he is all about choice, allowing the individual to truly gain purpose and earn some kind of destiny through faith in something else as well as themselves. And at the same time, we have these characters, and every character has and does exhibit signs of both.
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I think after the episode Ben has been following MiB not Jacob.

ben overthrew widmore, killed the Dharma who Jacob has a truce with, then exiled Whismore. then later he has Ben make Saywer clear a runway so Akira can land on it, to then take MiB home.

Ben devoted himself to jacob but follow the MiB thinking it was Jacob ( break in the ash ring allowed MiB to take over Jacobs cabin
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I think this episode almst seals MiB as the goof guy but cast as the bad guy
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I think after the episode Ben has been following MiB not Jacob.

ben overthrew widmore, killed the Dharma who Jacob has a truce with, then exiled Whismore. then later he has Ben make Saywer clear a runway so Akira can land on it, to then take MiB home.

Ben devoted himself to jacob but follow the MiB thinking it was Jacob ( break in the ash ring allowed MiB to take over Jacobs cabin
It is a sound theory and makes sense but I don't think that the fact that certain things and events occurred were all part of MIB's plan or totally just for his benefit.

Ben was tainted from the get go by MIB or the Island when he was saved in The Temple as a child. He overthrew Widmore because he couldn't prove that it was the will of Jacob that baby Alex died by doing it himself. He did kill DHARMA but was ultimately groomed and supported by Richard who was in communicano with Jacob. The list and acquisition of Jack, Sawyer and Kate was based on Jacob's order, at least if your theory of Ben breaking the circle of ash is correct. Besides that flight ultimately landed team Jacob onto the battlefield anyway (They're coming).

Everything that happened didn't always go according to either Jacob's or MIB's liking, but I think Jacob and his team will be the underdogs until the very end, he seems to be down and out but I think he has a bigger more profound and effective plan in the works.

Got to remember what Jacob said to MIB on the beach when the Black Rock arrived, 'It only ends once, anything that happens before that, is progress'. Each version of events on Island, off Island, in the past, present and future are 'progress' and this time round will obviously be, where 'it ends'.
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RECON -

Shit this episode was awesome, possibly my fave so far!

Although it was only one episode, I loved all the correlations and similarities and references to previous events and situations; how Widmore's camp is the new Othersville with the sonic fences and how the Hydra island in the new crash site.

Some other things...

- Claire holding Kate's hand, must be like how Jacob's touch is a gift, think Claire was channeling MIB's super manipulation powers.

- Sawyer has a whole lot of conning on his mind, still think he will turn face before the end when he realises what is really going on.

- Really want to know what MIB's real plan is. I believe it IS to kill everyone and once he and what he represents wins the almighty battle of dark vs light, whatever presents itself surely must be what the Island is all about.

- Sayid seemed to be on heroin this episode.

- Trying to figure out what is behind the locked door in the sub; Desmond?, another bomb?, Jacob's body/remains?, porn?


Did I mention this was a fucking good episode!?
Yea, Great Episode. I am loving the Sawyer character right now, especially after this one. He's all over the place. I know it's a minor thing, but I thought it was awesome when Sawyer caught that Zoe girl in a lie and pulled the gun out on her. That's classic Sawyer. Locke/MIB is a sneaky SOB and I think you're right in that eventually he is going to turn on his "clan" and off them all.

lol @ Sayid. he was fucked out of his mind
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Old 03-17-2010, 12:32 PM   #466
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Yeah no shit. Sayid is fucking GONE.

You know how the side flashes are like "Life without Jacob"? Well look at Sawyer. Still looking for revenge, but he is a good guy without him, and with Jacob he is a hate filled scum bag.
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I do like the references and shit.

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I know, that's what I was referencing. But I highly doubt that its going to be as simple as that.

Two contrasting ideals/philosophies? Sure. But straight up good and evil? No chance.
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Old 03-17-2010, 01:34 PM   #469
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Also, how about Locke seemingly planting the seed in Kate to kill Claire?
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Anyone else as excited as me for next week's episode?

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Also, I think Terry O'Quinn is going to be a shoe-in for an Emmy for this season's performance.
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That though crossed my mind during watching this last episode too.
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Yeah can't fucking wait for the Richard Alpert episode. Definitely a "holy grail" of LOST episodes.

But I really REALLY can't wait for the smoke monster flashback episode (episode 15 I think it is)
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Where do you guys find the info on whose the main star in the upcoming eps?
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I know on Wikipedia they had a listing of who it is centered around. They don't have it for every episode but got it for a few. Like in 2 weeks thing Hurley is main g.
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For the Richard episode they showed a clip after the last one.
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For the Richard episode they showed a clip after the last one.
I'm so fucking excited for this episode. I mean, I thought I was excited to finally see a Sawyer centric episode this season, this announcment got my panties so fucking wet.
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