07-21-2008, 10:05 AM | #602 | |
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They don't even need to show the crowbar beat-down, or even The Joker. Just have it explained that he escaped from Arkham and fucked up Robin. Nolan's movies seem like a collection of the grittier and more definitive moments in Batman history. |
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07-21-2008, 10:19 AM | #604 | |
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As for Joker in other movies, I liked whomever said that he should just make a quick appereance in jail for maybe a couple lines. Like someone mentioned, Lector. He should in no way shape of form be cast for a huge role again. I want to see this movie again so bad. I still can't believe how good the entire movie was from beginning to end. |
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07-21-2008, 12:11 PM | #605 |
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It was awesome.
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07-21-2008, 12:16 PM | #606 |
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Also, there is the fact that in comic books, only Bucky really dies. So two face isn't dead. They just quietly locked him up in Arkham Asylum.
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07-21-2008, 12:19 PM | #607 |
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Also, yeah Riddler is a crappy version of the Joker. And Mr. Freeze and the Penguin always seemed simular to me as well, both having desires to freeze over Gotham.
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07-21-2008, 01:13 PM | #608 |
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I think the next person needs to find out Batman's identity and not necessarily go after Gotham, but go after Bruce. I hate it when Gotham (or Angel Grove if you watched the Power Rangers) constantly gets attacked in every single movie because at that point why the hell would you still live in Gotham if every two weeks a new supervillian popped up and wrecked your shit?
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07-21-2008, 02:40 PM | #610 | |
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07-21-2008, 04:05 PM | #611 |
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You could do Penguin as a minor character. He shouldnt really be a major character in my opinion.
I think you could do Riddler or Mr Freeze...but not as campy as they are sometimes shown to be. You could make either one a serial killer on a crime spree (not like Joker's craziness but enough to frighten the city) and make it more of a detective film I suppose. The problem is, this film seems so epic, what do you possibly follow it up with? Maybe set it a couple years in the future rather than just a couple months. |
07-21-2008, 05:10 PM | #612 |
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Now that I think of it, Mr Freeze is very do-able. His story could be done much like two faces in that hes a respected doctor helping fidht a disease or poison that was brought by another villain in the movie. While doing so, an accident happened for example being burned by liquid nitrogen or whatever they want to do, and he goes crazy and wants to make everyone pay for it or something.
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07-21-2008, 05:18 PM | #613 | |
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Edit: I like your idea too that it is caused by another villian. Freeze, in the comics lately and on TAS, has had a sympathetic side to him, so I think that is very doable. |
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07-21-2008, 05:20 PM | #614 |
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Mr. Freeze sucks. Catwoman or Posion Ivy.
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07-21-2008, 05:29 PM | #615 | |
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07-21-2008, 05:36 PM | #616 |
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Rupert Thorne has Victor Fries on the payroll. There is then an accident involving him and his wife. Mr. Freeze is born and goes around killing mobsters and whomever else gets in his way using some kind of freezing method.
Alternately, The Riddler would be a good one for the man who cracks Batman's identity. He wouldn't just tell the public either, because he would want them to figure it out, but that is pretty similar to Batman Forever. |
07-21-2008, 05:37 PM | #617 |
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I think Catwoman will be part of it, mabye black mask and riddler.
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07-21-2008, 06:43 PM | #618 | |
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Riddler, Freeze, Black Mask...maybe even something similiar to the Mask of the Phantasm animated movie would be more interesting to me. |
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07-21-2008, 08:13 PM | #619 |
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One of the things I like most about the movie was the fact that all the Viral Marketing tied into the movie perfectly.
It enhanced the movie experience for me. |
07-21-2008, 08:52 PM | #620 |
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Riddler is too similar to Joker in terms of mind games.
They need to change it up a bit with someone with power and perhaps even physical strength. I dont care who as long as it is done as tastefully as these two movies have been. Penguin would be pretty perfect IMO if I had to choose one though. Mob in turmoil. He steps up and offs all the mob heads and unites them. So with the mob and the cops behind batman, it would make a pretty interesting movie to see how to handle all that heat from two fronts. |
07-21-2008, 08:55 PM | #621 |
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They could make Batman the villian or Gordon the hero.
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07-21-2008, 08:55 PM | #622 |
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If you follow me.
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07-21-2008, 09:03 PM | #623 | |
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He was finally caught, then released a few hours later. The only thing I had to wonder was, How Crane managed to not be completely insane when we see him in The Dark Knight, granted, I don't know how powerful the medicine he got hit was. But it was a shocking moment, when he popped on screen in the second one. |
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07-21-2008, 09:17 PM | #624 |
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I actually liked tha idea of recurring villains. Needs to happen in live action more.
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07-21-2008, 10:18 PM | #625 |
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07-21-2008, 10:23 PM | #626 |
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07-21-2008, 11:20 PM | #627 |
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If they got a talented enough actor to play the man, I think that The Ventriloquist would make a great movie villain. He could only be the main villain if the actor was good enough at portraying the fact that the dummy and the man are two COMPLETELY different people.
There's an episode of Batman TAS called "Double Talk" where Arnold Wesker (the Ventriloquist) is released from Arkham, completely cured of his split personality syndrome, when voices and memories beckon him back to Scarface the doll. He eventually succums to his darker side and Scarface retakes his old gang, but in the end, Batman gives Wesker the choice, and he blows Scarface to hell with a machine gun. I think Phillip Seymour Hoffman ("Capote") could play the Ventriloquist perfectly. His physical stature suggests a certain vulnerability, and I have no doubt that the Oscar winner could do something amazing with the schizophrenia character of Wesker. |
07-21-2008, 11:27 PM | #628 |
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Hoffman would make a great Penguin
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07-21-2008, 11:33 PM | #629 |
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I have come back from seeing this film.
Where...the hell...did they get the idea to make this? Who, in their right mind, could get off from a day of filming this movie and think, it's just a job? I implore you to find me someone who thought that so I can drop a colony on you. From the get-go, it grabs you with The Joker(there is no Heath Ledger for me). He masterminds a bank robbery and kills all his compatriots. Why? No reason. For him, money isn't important. It's the "joke" that's important. It's proving that if someone has just one bad day, he can become a "freak". The most gripping point, for me at least, was the ferry boat scene. When I saw the big black guy get focused on in the criminal's boat and the suit get focused on on the civilians boat, I knew it would come down to a personal choice between the two of 'em. After all, if someone could try to kill the one dude who found out Batman's identity, why wouldn't a boatload of people kill one another to ensure their own survival? That's assuming Joker wouldn't have made it so both boats wouldn't explode. And when the big black guy grabed the detonator and threw it out the window....you knew the choice was made right. And Joker seemed dissapointed that nobody, faced with their own death, wouldn't choose their own life over someone elses, even as dispicable as a known criminal. To me, that was the point where Joker lost. That was the point where Joker knew he lost. Then we get to Bale. Who had the job to play two totally and utterly, different people. Batman and Bruce Wayne. One, a play it by ear, super-rich bastard who's only interest seems to be partying. The other is the Dark Knight himself. A man who knows that there is a point where ordinary people cannot and will not go any further and he must go beyond that point to save everyone. He's not afraid to sacrifice his own well-being for others. That gruff voice he used, even when in tremendous pain, was just magnificant. I, for one, applaud Mr. Bale in his portrayal of the Dark Knight and hope he's attached to the cowl for a long time. Then we come to the third player in our little game. Mr. Harvy Two-Face Dent. I honestly thought he was going to survive to plauge the Bat-Man(must use the hyphen) in the third movie. Instead...he dies. He dies as a man who broke down in the face of a mad-man. A man who was the White Knight but once he got down and dirty, he couldn't face what he saw in the mirror. He was a man who made his own luck after all and what happened to that luck? It blew up in his face. And that, more then anything the Joker said to him in that one scene, is what brought him down to the point where he went from the Hero to the Villian. Dent wanted to be a hero but what he couldn't fathom is to be a Hero, you have to remain true to yourself, not to others. I must say, even before Rachel got blown up, I knew all the rules were gone. Why? When Gordon got "killed". At that point, I knew that nobody, not a single solitary character, was safe. Anyone could be next. From Batman all the way down to the extras in the scene, anyone could end up being the next victem of the Joker. Anyone. That, to me is the essence of this movie. See, this movie wasn't about super-heros or villians or unrequited love or even lies we tell ourselves to keep us sane. It was about chaos and emotions and how even when we think we're safe, we get thrown a curve-ball and are left scratching our heads. The Joker proved, without a shadow of a doubt, a good man could be corrupted to the point of become an agent of chaos. The Bat-Man proved that the people don't need a shining knight, they need someone who will become whatever it is they want him to become while staying true to himself. And Nolan proved that no matter what happens, a movie that is this good will last through the ages and be spoken of throughout the world. That...in essance, is the Dark Knight. |
07-21-2008, 11:42 PM | #630 |
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It's also a hell of a lot of fun, Shadow.
Why so serious? Hmmmm? |
07-22-2008, 12:09 AM | #631 |
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I don't know how you can even have a third movie. How the hell do you top ledger or eckhart's performances, let alone the whole movie? What villains are left that can possibly be as compelling as the joker and two-face? It truly seems impossible.
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07-22-2008, 12:13 AM | #632 |
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i have to agree with u-warrior. as much as i would love to see a third i've had a hard time imagining anything that could come anywhere near this. not to say that it can't be done, but fuck is that going to be a tall order. no villain that has been suggested so far seems like it can compete. maybe maybe riddler and i've been thinking a catwoman inclusion but i'm torn on that. not sure if it's necessary.
i'll just sit back and wait and hope my mind gets blown again. |
07-22-2008, 12:16 AM | #633 |
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But at the same time, since when do they stop at two now?
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07-22-2008, 12:16 AM | #634 |
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Yeah, I'm really blanking on the villain(s) for the next film. I guess Riddler's the front runner, maybe Black Mask or the Ventriloquist, but are they really well known enough to be the leads? Penguin, Freeze, Ivy, Bane, I'd love to see any of them, but they don't seem to really fit in the more realistic world they've built here.
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07-22-2008, 12:17 AM | #636 |
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I heard teh most retarded comment by this ditzy girl leaving the theate.
Girl 1: Hey, I totally figured out something, you know when that cop guy died right, and they somehow brought him back to life, well they are going to do the same thing with the Harry guy, and maybe even the joker too. Girl 2: Nah, I dont think they will bring the Joker back, he is too scary. Girl 3: Who played him anyways? I seriously wanted to kick each of them in the cunt. |
07-22-2008, 12:18 AM | #637 |
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do you make this stuff up
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07-22-2008, 12:20 AM | #638 |
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Are you sure they weren't hermaphrodites?
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07-22-2008, 12:20 AM | #639 |
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WeX do you think I have the intelligence to make this up?
I am dead serious, they were sitting behind us the whole movie with blank "whats going on" expressions. |
07-22-2008, 12:20 AM | #640 |
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I think the riddler would be a lot cooler on film in the role he's taken in the books recently. As a detective working with the police, and competing with batman. Obviously he would turn out a villain in the end, to stay true to his criminal roots, but I think it would be fun on-screen. Throw in another villain, and you have yourself what could be another great movie.
But again, it wouldn't top DK. |