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Old 11-30-2011, 06:18 PM   #41
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I thought they would have used Survivor Series as an opportunity to turn Cena. Having him give the Rock an AA and leaving him to Miz and Truth at the end of the match would have had the 'net buzzing and it would have been a logical turn. You could even take it a step further and have him "injure" the Rock for a few weeks since Dwayne doesn't make consistent appearances anyways. Serious bidness right there.

I'm glad Rock's back, but the whole way their feud has been built seems dumb as hell to me. Superstar Face vs. Superstar Face doesn't really work. They kind of tried it with Trips and Punk and the whole thing ended up coming off retarded.
He should have hit the Rock with an AA if for no other reason than The Rock costing him his match at Wrestlemania this year. The crowd would have booed the fuck out of him, but it would have been an easily justifiable action for either a heel or face, and it would have also added fire to the feud.
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Old 11-30-2011, 06:40 PM   #42
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Cena can't go heel until they have somebody viable enough to fill the "Ultra Pure Force of Good" role.
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Old 11-30-2011, 06:59 PM   #43
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Old 11-30-2011, 07:55 PM   #44
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Cena is already a heel, and the best heel in the business.

Think about it. They can't turn Cena full heel. If they do, A. Kids won't buy his merchandise, which is bad for business, and B. all the guys who are booing him now will probably start cheering him.

So what do they do? They make him a merchandise seller for the women and kids, yet they also have him utterly pissing off a ton of people. His entire gimmick right now is "Oh, fine, you can boo me, that's cool, it's your right, I'm going to rise above your hate." He's pretty much telling half the crowd "screw you, I'm bigger than this, I don't care about you."

Think about it, a good chunk of the crowd hates him, he doesn't care, he keeps doing what he wants to do, and he thinks he's in the right for it. He's the perfect heel. THe problem is, Cena isn't turning heel the way the "booing" fans want him too. The fact is though, he's getting a ton of heat, and he has this passive aggressive way of playing on it which gets him even more heat... And he's doing it without affecting his merchandise sales.

It's brilliant. All of the people who want Cena to turn heel don't realize he already is a heel, just to them. The problem is, they want the "cool heel," and the lack of that is making Cena into a bigger heel for that group of fans.
Right, but to the large core of fans who dislike Cena, it's not really true heel heat, but more like X-Pac-heat. They don't hate him because he's playing a great character; they hate him because he's bland, boring and uninteresting to watch. In other words, he's getting "heat" for all the wrong reasons.

WWE has played this Cena-tweener walking the line shit for too long now. They need to go one way or another, and it will be good for business either way.

They turn him heel and he goes back to being a cocky, loud-mouthed trash-talker like he was in his "rapper gimmick", and this will actually turn him into a FACE. He'll become "cool" again and people will fucking cheer him (like they cheered CM Punk during his run against Cena in the summer). He'll become the anti-hero. Yeah, maybe he'll lose some of his kiddy and female fans who won't "get it," but his gain in adult male fans will totally make up for it.

OR, he turns into a total asshole, "I am the WWE", corporate jerk off type of heel, who EVERYONE hates, and gives the WWE the biggest heel in the industry since Hollywood Hulk Hogan. And since he's been built up so ridiculously strongly over the past 8 years, any babyface who goes up against him will automatically be the underdog, which makes for interesting storytelling.
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Right, but to the large core of fans who dislike Cena, it's not really true heel heat, but more like X-Pac-heat. They don't hate him because he's playing a great character; they hate him because he's bland, boring and uninteresting to watch. In other words, he's getting "heat" for all the wrong reasons.

WWE has played this Cena-tweener walking the line shit for too long now. They need to go one way or another, and it will be good for business either way.

They turn him heel and he goes back to being a cocky, loud-mouthed trash-talker like he was in his "rapper gimmick", and this will actually turn him into a FACE. He'll become "cool" again and people will fucking cheer him (like they cheered CM Punk during his run against Cena in the summer). He'll become the anti-hero. Yeah, maybe he'll lose some of his kiddy and female fans who won't "get it," but his gain in adult male fans will totally make up for it.

OR, he turns into a total asshole, "I am the WWE", corporate jerk off type of heel, who EVERYONE hates, and gives the WWE the biggest heel in the industry since Hollywood Hulk Hogan. And since he's been built up so ridiculously strongly over the past 8 years, any babyface who goes up against him will automatically be the underdog, which makes for interesting storytelling.
So in other words, go back to his old gimmick or become Triple H
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:05 PM   #46
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I generally stay out of this debate because I can see merit in both arguments for and against why Cena should turn heel. Do I think he should? Yes. I don't think it needs to be done right now, but in saying that it should be done sooner rather than later.

I think we can all agree his character has grown stale, but if they're going to do it, it should be be done with reason and surprisingly. When Hogan turned heel in the 90's nobody saw it coming and I think that's how it should be with Cena. No build to it, shock us.
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I really don't think that Cena is stale right now at all. We can all sit here and talk about how he was forced down our throats for so long, and for so long, people have felt that the solution was just to turn him heel. However, the crowd reactions are making moments that nobody else can make, and he's never been better between the ropes. He is more intriguing now than he's ever been, and I feel like the longer they leave him teetering on the brink, the better off everything will be.

I understand that the current state of affairs probably wasn't the intentional design of his progression, but it at least now shows that they're aware of it and they're at least ACKNOWLEDGING it. It's really the most interesting thing on the show to me right now.
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I really don't think that Cena is stale right now at all. We can all sit here and talk about how he was forced down our throats for so long, and for so long, people have felt that the solution was just to turn him heel. However, the crowd reactions are making moments that nobody else can make, and he's never been better between the ropes. He is more intriguing now than he's ever been, and I feel like the longer they leave him teetering on the brink, the better off everything will be.

I understand that the current state of affairs probably wasn't the intentional design of his progression, but it at least now shows that they're aware of it and they're at least ACKNOWLEDGING it. It's really the most interesting thing on the show to me right now.
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I really don't think that Cena is stale right now at all. We can all sit here and talk about how he was forced down our throats for so long, and for so long, people have felt that the solution was just to turn him heel. However, the crowd reactions are making moments that nobody else can make, and he's never been better between the ropes. He is more intriguing now than he's ever been, and I feel like the longer they leave him teetering on the brink, the better off everything will be.

I understand that the current state of affairs probably wasn't the intentional design of his progression, but it at least now shows that they're aware of it and they're at least ACKNOWLEDGING it. It's really the most interesting thing on the show to me right now.
I agree 100%. But I don't think you've taken what I said the right way though. I never said he's forced our throats or suggested his ring work was bad. But I believe his character and sense of direction are/were stale. I have no problem with them building on what happened on Raw this week, but they need to do something with his character.
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He has been a lot more interesting since just before Money in the Bank, before that his promos were awful jokes for the first 2 weeks of build-up and then 2 weeks of being so mad he literally shakes while shouting. Then the PPV match happened and just gets beaten down for the entire match until he makes his comeback.

He's a lot more fun now, but I don't know if I was so sleepy I was angry, but the segment with Piper somehow managed to suck.
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The Piper segment sparked this whole "are the boo's getting to Cena?" storyline. I liked it
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The only problem was Cena was getting more cheers than boo's on this particular night
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Cena isn't going to turn heel and this thread is more IWC masturbation.
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I agree 100%. But I don't think you've taken what I said the right way though. I never said he's forced our throats or suggested his ring work was bad. But I believe his character and sense of direction are/were stale. I have no problem with them building on what happened on Raw this week, but they need to do something with his character.
My post was not based on anything you said. I was just sharing my own thoughts.
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Cena isn't going to turn heel and this thread is more IWC masturbation.
Didn't you just post a "dream matches" thread?
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Right, but to the large core of fans who dislike Cena, it's not really true heel heat, but more like X-Pac-heat. They don't hate him because he's playing a great character; they hate him because he's bland, boring and uninteresting to watch. In other words, he's getting "heat" for all the wrong reasons.

WWE has played this Cena-tweener walking the line shit for too long now. They need to go one way or another, and it will be good for business either way.

They turn him heel and he goes back to being a cocky, loud-mouthed trash-talker like he was in his "rapper gimmick", and this will actually turn him into a FACE. He'll become "cool" again and people will fucking cheer him (like they cheered CM Punk during his run against Cena in the summer). He'll become the anti-hero. Yeah, maybe he'll lose some of his kiddy and female fans who won't "get it," but his gain in adult male fans will totally make up for it.

OR, he turns into a total asshole, "I am the WWE", corporate jerk off type of heel, who EVERYONE hates, and gives the WWE the biggest heel in the industry since Hollywood Hulk Hogan. And since he's been built up so ridiculously strongly over the past 8 years, any babyface who goes up against him will automatically be the underdog, which makes for interesting storytelling.
I didn't even read this. You should stick to your sexual voyage stories.
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Cena isn't going to turn heel and this thread is more IWC masturbation.
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TOTALLY REINVENTING THE CHARACTER!!
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Old 12-01-2011, 05:34 PM   #63
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He's a lot more fun now, but I don't know if I was so sleepy I was angry, but the segment with Piper somehow managed to suck.

It was Pipers fault for rambling on about bullshit like "FEEL DA ENERGYYYYYY"
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TOTALLY REINVENTING THE CHARACTER!!
Worked for Undertaker.
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Old 12-01-2011, 05:45 PM   #65
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They need to give cena magic powers. Maybe he could spend a week with papa shango and learn the art of the black goo.
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Old 12-01-2011, 05:46 PM   #66
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It was Pipers fault for rambling on about bullshit like "FEEL DA ENERGYYYYYY"
Yeah, I remember Piper saving some shitty comedy spot with a guest host by being awesome but I actually hated Piper talking on Raw. He felt like just an old man rambling.
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Old 12-01-2011, 05:47 PM   #67
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Thought Cena already had magic powers.
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Old 12-01-2011, 05:48 PM   #68
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Or turn him back to Juan Cena bc no-one likes illegals
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Old 12-01-2011, 05:51 PM   #69
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Yeah, I remember Piper saving some shitty comedy spot with a guest host by being awesome but I actually hated Piper talking on Raw. He felt like just an old man rambling.
He is an old man rambling.
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Old 12-01-2011, 07:29 PM   #71
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i didn't think it was that bad a segment. cena nailed his schtick, and piper had to end with a bang somehow.

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At the point the majority of the audience is booing him, the notion that it's just smarks or smarks are the minority has to break.
i can't think of any wrestler that people here bitch more about than cena. therefore,

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Yeah, I remember Piper saving some shitty comedy spot with a guest host by being awesome but I actually hated Piper talking on Raw. He felt like just an old man rambling.
And this is different from any Piper segment anywhere... how?
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Old 12-01-2011, 09:58 PM   #73
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If not for the bulls stuff on the jacket, I'd swear he was trying out for Jersey Shore.

That's some seriously douchey attire.
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Old 12-01-2011, 09:59 PM   #74
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They need to give cena magic powers. Maybe he could spend a week with papa shango and learn the art of the black goo.
Cena needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine.
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Old 12-01-2011, 10:11 PM   #75
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And whenever he's not onscreen, all the other characters should be asking, "Where's Cena?"
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Old 12-02-2011, 06:33 AM   #76
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And whenever he's not onscreen, all the other characters should be asking, "Where's Cena?"
So once he turns heel, Cena will end up doing a 360 by saying "I have to go now, my planet needs me" (which mayor may not be dubbed in my McMahon), float into the air, and come back a hero once again with no mention of the heel turn.
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Old 12-02-2011, 07:25 AM   #77
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So once he turns heel, Cena will end up doing a 360 by saying "I have to go now, my planet needs me" (which mayor may not be dubbed in my McMahon), float into the air, and come back a hero once again with no mention of the heel turn.
You sure he's not just gonna die on his way to his homeworld?
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Old 12-02-2011, 10:09 AM   #78
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