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Old 02-25-2010, 05:30 PM   #401
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Kano, have you read The Stand?
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Old 02-25-2010, 05:38 PM   #402
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No but it rings a bell, I possibly either read it on one of the LOST literature references, or there's an article on 'grey goo' a doomsday scenario in which the whole nano-byte/machine/robot/smoke monster thing is similar to. Is it good?
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Old 02-25-2010, 05:41 PM   #403
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Well, it's an amazing Stephen King novel. I suggest it. It's probably the biggest influence on Lost. Just the way the characters are approached, and the style. The plot too. The basic concept and a lot of the ideas going on now are hugely similar.
Damen Lindelof has mentioned it never leaving the writing room.
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I think that image on the cover stirs up some obvious connections
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I'll consider buying it next time I am a' browsing.

Think it was YOUR Hero or Downunder who suggested reading Stephen King's 'Thinner'. I read it and loved it. And it's the only Stephen King book I have read.
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Old 02-25-2010, 05:52 PM   #406
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Stephen King books are the greatest thing ever.

The Stand and The Dark Tower series are like his big epic stories. Then you obviously have dozens of other great novels and short story collections.
He's so much more than just horror too. It's drama, science fiction, epic. It's just really creative, I love it. I learned that his body of work exceeds the public perception of him, which is obviously grand to begin with.

But back to Lost, I suppose.
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Stephen King loves Lost and the Red Sox. I love Stephen King

I've actually seen him a few times while at Fenway. His home isn't too far from my father's summer place in Maine either
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Old 02-26-2010, 01:26 PM   #409
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This may have already been mentioned but I just remembered something last night. The Valterzzi (sp?) equation said there was 100% certainty that the world would end in the next 27 years.

Wasnt that equation done in 1977? which would make the date the year 2004 (when the plane crashed on the island I think was Sept 22nd/2004)

I wonder if there is any reason to think that the guy who worked that out somehow foreseen the bomb going off in 1977?

Perhaps the bomb going off in 1977, just as the island moved through time helped cause the plane to crash on the island.

This is submitted to Kano for verification as he knows everything about the show including the color underwear kate wore in the last episode.
No. THe Plane crashed because in 2004 Desmond didnt push the button because he was outside of the hatch killing that guy. THe charge then brought the plane down.
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I get the impression FA has seen maybe 3 episodes of Lost, read some theories elsewhere and dived into this thread
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pretty much what he did in the nfl thread too
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No. THe Plane crashed because in 2004 Desmond didnt push the button because he was outside of the hatch killing that guy. THe charge then brought the plane down.
Yes, was just thinking that the bomb going off during the time switch may have done something thats all. I know its because Desmond didnt push the button.

Though what makes me think this is that at the start of season 6, off island its presumably Sept 22nd/2004 as they landed at LAX in that timeline, so in that timeline did Desmond get to the button in time or was it something entirely different that brought the plane down originally.

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Nope, I have every single episode on my computer, I started watching them with an ex back in 2007 I think and Season 3 was just wrapping up on TV I believe. I got to the season 2 finale and stopped watching then downloaded season 3 and re watched the first two seasons before I continued then I downloaded the episode every week and added it to the season folder for season 4, After the end of season 4 I rewatched the episodes again before season 5 and now here we are at season 6 and I dont remember a whole lot of small details. I mean I do remember alot but some smaller things, like how Kate got Aaron I forgot, what the guy with the eyepatch was called, how Michael and Walt left (I believe in one of the small boats) and that Michael was on the freighter.



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pretty much what he did in the nfl thread too
When did I ever claim to really know whats going on in the football thread? I watched a few games and got a basic understanding of the game but I still havent a sweet clue whats going on.
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Yes, was just thinking that the bomb going off during the time switch may have done something thats all. I know its because Desmond didnt push the button.

Though what makes me think this is that at the start of season 6, off island its presumably Sept 22nd/2004 as they landed at LAX in that timeline, so in that timeline did Desmond get to the button in time or was it something entirely different that brought the plane down originally.
In theory there is no button to push in the Alt Timeline. The bomb defused the pocket of energy that the Dharma guys accidentally tapped into to.

No pocket of energy means no button to press, means Desmond couldn't miss the button and cause the plane to crash...as it didn't cos it landed at LAX with Desmond on board. Meaning Des never even went to the island. Or so we are lead to believe.

You don't seem to be getting that the original timeline (from '77 to the plane crashing on 22nd Sept 2004) has nothing to do with the new Alt timeline (whatever happens between '77 and 815 landing in LA). People cannot crossover and meet people in the different timelines - as you thought could happen earlier.
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Ah, thanks for the explanation there XL, as it makes alot more sense now.
I have the jist of whats going on, but god I have a horrible memory and cant seem to remember any of the important stuff.
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Old 03-02-2010, 10:08 PM   #416
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Goddamn.


The episode was so-so, until the final 10 minutes. That was wild.
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Old 03-02-2010, 10:25 PM   #417
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yea, final 10 minutes were amazing. just was going to post that. Sayid's "crazy" face when he told Ben off was incredible. what a heel turn!!

I can't wait for Jack, Jacob and Hurley to come to the rescue. going to be insane
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I know what you mean. We've had all these amazing revelations and this episode didn't really tell us anything new. The fight at the beginning was good. I also love that in the Lost universe Keamy is so evil he dies twice.

Looking forward to next week based on the teaser.
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It was a great finish to the episode.

I marked out for the coalition of Lapidus, Sun and Linus coming in and saving Miles
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I feel like every time we see Sun it's like beating a level in Mario and getting the "Congratulations, but your princess is in another castle!" message.
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i dunno.... this week was big for sayid... he was always trying to fight the "evil" man that he was and he finally gave in and embraced it
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I marked out for the coalition of Lapidus, Sun and Linus coming in and saving Miles
yea, me too. The Miles/Lapidus reunion was great. Now where did Sawyer go? I thought he'd be with Locke and co

This season started off slow to me, but it's really picked up with this whole war and people choosing sides.
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so whos kate guna spread her legs for this season?
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yea, me too. The Miles/Lapidus reunion was great. Now where did Sawyer go? I thought he'd be with Locke and co

This season started off slow to me, but it's really picked up with this whole war and people choosing sides.
Not exactly many people left on the "good" side after half the temple joined Flocke and the other half were massacred.
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Pretty good episode.

Guess Sawyer is at MIB HQ or doing something for him while they make their way to wherever.

Be interesting to see how Kate and Claire pan out since she said she would kill her if what Jin told her about Kate raising her baby was true, yet Kate is a candidate for MIB also, and he will want to manipulate her maybe somehow.

I'm more concerned about this alternate reality. Really want to know where it is going. I mean it's cool to see all these 'dead' characters and cross-overs, but kinda needs to start either revealing what it's purpose is, or merging with the other reality - we are already 1/3 of the way through the series, and I don't want EVERYTHING to fall into place and be explained in one last episode really.
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Pretty sure they promised the two timelines would end about halfway through the season, and it would focus completely on the main reality/Island storyline.
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Cool.

End it, make sense of it, merge it, I don't care. I do, but wanna see some epic on-island shit.
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As soon as I saw Omar asking Sayid to get in the car I knew we were gonna be seeing Keamy. Still marked out for it though.
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Pretty sure they promised the two timelines would end about halfway through the season, and it would focus completely on the main reality/Island storyline.
Where did they say that? They have just pretty much stuck to not calling it an "alternate" timeline and that eventually the two timelines would somehow be reconciled, etc.

I dont think they mentioned that happening halfway through.
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no way, right when Ben's about to be executed, the Glass is going to break and Jack and Hurley are going to come driving in to Stone Cold Steve Austin music to make the save
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This episode was awesome. Didn't offer any massive revelations but it did a great job of advancing the story line throughout.

Don't really see why people are complaining.
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Yeah, one of my friend's complained that it wasn't as good of an episode because it didn't tell anything really.

I said "What? That was a badass episode.. Sayid had an epic fight with Dogen.. people were dying left and right. Keamy was back and got killed.. HOW WAS THAT NOT A COOL EPISODE?"
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yes, exactly. Probably my fav episode this season. the one With Jack and Hurley and the Lighthouse is also a favorite.

I need some help from you guys on quesitons i can't quite figure out. maybe you can help


1) This Man in Black guy. So was it him that appeared as Jack's dad and as Sharron to Boun? And all these other "dead" people. Can he only take the form of dead people? Cause then that doesn't explain Walt and how he's appeared to Locke before.


2) Am I to assume now that Ben and The Others really were the good guys throughout all this? Did they know about the Man in Black and everything?

3) What about Whitmore and his group. He was out to get Ben, but if Ben was on Jacob's side all along, that would make Whitmore bad? ughhhh

4) Last one...WHERE THE FUCK IS VINCENT
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Wasn't Vincent in the jungle with Rose and Bernard
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yes, exactly. Probably my fav episode this season. the one With Jack and Hurley and the Lighthouse is also a favorite.

I need some help from you guys on quesitons i can't quite figure out. maybe you can help


1) This Man in Black guy. So was it him that appeared as Jack's dad and as Sharron to Boun? And all these other "dead" people. Can he only take the form of dead people? Cause then that doesn't explain Walt and how he's appeared to Locke before.


2) Am I to assume now that Ben and The Others really were the good guys throughout all this? Did they know about the Man in Black and everything?

3) What about Whitmore and his group. He was out to get Ben, but if Ben was on Jacob's side all along, that would make Whitmore bad? ughhhh

4) Last one...WHERE THE FUCK IS VINCENT
1 - I'm not too sure if this is totally correct. I don't like to read all the theory websites into too much detail until the season is done. Make my interpretations more interesting to figure out. But yes, the MIB used Jack's fathers body to manipulate certain choices and events caused and effected by anyone who saw them. He abducted Claire in the 4th season and 'infected' her.

He also posed as Christian to get Locke to think he was working for Jacob, when really, 'someone else' had been using Jacob's cabin, as Ilana pointed out.

Not too sure about all the other people. Yemi to Mr. Eko is a big example - it could've been The Island being representing Yemi as Eko's last chance to redeem himself, as a kind of 'last chance', yet when he confessed nothing and said sorry for nothing, the smoke monster killed him. That might of been The Island's way of allowing the MIB to act on his duty or something. Or it could've been the MIB since Eko's death lead to Locke 'finding his way', which inevitably lead to the situation were at now.

Always wondered about Walt appearing to Locke. Again, think it was either The Island, MIB or even Jacob. Whoever it was, they knew what effects would occur when Locke got out of the pit.

2) Yes and no. Ben never met Jacob, not knew of the MIB and he doesn't seem to know at all what the whole meaning of the Island, Jacob or the MIB is. He was just taking orders from Jacob handed down by Richard, in the form of lists, tasks etc. Richard said to Locke when he gave him Sawyer's file in season 3, that Ben was wasting The Other's time on trivial things like childbirth (women not being able to give birth) when he realised how special Locke was to the Island. This makes me think Ben did have a real leadership role in what they did. So I guess it's down to interpretation. Ben was/is and can be a bad guy, but really, he was working with and for Jacob, so he is also good. Then you have to look at each individual person too, like Pickett, he was a prick/bad guy kinda.

Also, Richard wasn't told by Jacob at all as to the real reasons for what they were doing. Seems as though Jacob was very reluctant to tell them anything, which is apt since it mirrors his philosophy of being all about free will and choice, whereas MIB is all about manipulation and the allure of having a chosen destiny. I really feel for Locke in this respect because he started to believe in himself and something big so much. Looking back when MIB as Christian asked Locke 'why he was here?' in the cabin, and Locke replied, 'I'm here because I was chosen' it's like although he believes its for a good reason, its the complete opposite.

3) The thing with Widmore is that he ordered Keamy and his men to get Ben, and torch the Island. That was Keamy's orders. Yet there is evidence that Widmore is/was right and good. When he told Ben to kill Alex as a baby, he claimed it was because of the will of the Island. Yet Ben challenged him on that point that if it were true, Widmore should have no problem doing it. If it was the will of Widmore (for whatever reason, I can't tell) then it would be good to know why? - maybe to frame/or put Ben in a bad light anyway because he and Ben didn't see eye to eye. OR if it was the will of the Island, it would have something to do with something more important, something I can't really think of right now - maybe to not have the events that happened, happen.

But then Widmore really did seem to know what was going on in the episode 'The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham' - he said a war was coming to the Island, and if John Locke wasn't back on the Island, the wrong side will win. Now he could've known Locke would die, and that the MIB could inhabit his body, and he wants the MIB to win, and have some kind of reward. OR, he really did want Locke back there, to lead and to have the right/good side win. I don't know.

But Widmore and Desmond are a very interesting thing for me. I can't wait to see what happens.\

4) He was last seen when Sawyer found Rose and Bernard on the beach in 1977 timeline. I assume he was Rose and Bernard's pet now, and that wherever they are/were, he is too.
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Where did they say that? They have just pretty much stuck to not calling it an "alternate" timeline and that eventually the two timelines would somehow be reconciled, etc.

I dont think they mentioned that happening halfway through.
Oh I was just imagining things then.

Nah seriously though I know that Damen Lindelof said it. It was this summer, so I would say Comic Con?

P.S. He didn't technically say alternate universe. I just used that term. He was talking about what this seasons storytelling device would be, without revealing it (ie flashbacks, flashforwards, time travel)
He said it would be something different and new, but would only last for half the season and it would all come together into one for the first time, moving to the finale.
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That's a quote from Mathew Fox. I heard Damen Lindelof talking more or less about the same thing in another interview
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