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Old 04-01-2010, 07:50 AM   #561
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She only learnt English though because she was leaving Jin to go live in America.

In the alternate reality her and Jin are happy together (albeit not married)
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Old 04-01-2010, 10:31 AM   #562
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Exactly, so her losing her ability to speak English mirrors the other reality where she did not learn it.

Did you notice when she was looking in the mirror before she answered the door for Keamy? she looked like she noticed something, or something was up, to me it looked like she was looking at her forehead, and she just knocked it herself out to next week on the Island, it was like she saw or felt the injury should be there too. Jack has also done this, in the episode LA X, he notices a cut on him in the mirror, and he sees the scar from when his appendix was taken out, not knowing if he should have it missing in that reality, he asks his mother. He had it taken on Island by Juliet.
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Old 04-01-2010, 10:38 AM   #563
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Who has all been connected so far in the Alternate Reality?

We've seen Rose and Locke, Jin and Sayid, Jack and Locke, Kate and Sawyer, Claire and Kate, Saywer and I believe Miles, Ben and Alex...
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Old 04-01-2010, 10:43 AM   #564
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she learned english before because she was planning on leaving jin and going to america because she was unhappy. In the new reality, she was not married to jin and they went to america because her father wanted jin dead.
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Old 04-01-2010, 11:18 AM   #566
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They didn't go to America because Sun's father wanted Jin dead. They didn't even know that he knew about them as a couple. They went to America because Jin was told to deliver the watch and money, not realising it was for his own death. Sun didn't even know she or he was in danger either. Jin also suggested Sun was there just for a shopping trip.

I don't think that matters, like I said, she lost the use of English on the Island because in the alternate reality, she did not learn it at all.
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Old 04-01-2010, 12:11 PM   #567
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Isn't that what Reavant said but in more detail?

Mr Paik sent Jin to America with the watch and money for Keamy. Keamy would receive his payment and then do the job. I know you understand that, you just wrote it. But so did Reavant.

I read about the loss of her english (and other connections) being something "bleeding through" from the alternate reality on Vozzek's "Things I Noticed..." from the DarkUFO website. Don't suppose you did too?
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Old 04-01-2010, 12:17 PM   #568
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I guess I took what Reavant said in a way that suggested Sun and Jin went to America because they knew Sun's father wanted him dead. My bad.

I read about the losing English/not learning it idea off a LOST forum I go on. As far as her noticing something in the mirror, the 'bleeding through', I connected and formed my own opinion on that because I remember Jack noticing a scratch and his scar.
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Old 04-01-2010, 12:56 PM   #569
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What I said in my previous post about course correction - I didn't mean it how it had been used before where a person who is supposed to die will always have to die, but just kind of the same concept. Couldn't think of what to call it, but I guess realities leaking together makes more sense. I was wondering why one reality would affect the other in such a way. That is what I meant when I said it could be another form of course correction - the cause of the realities leaking together.
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what is this other forum. Links, I want to read up on this stuff
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Oh here is some more "bleeding through" I thought of.

Remember when in season one locke couldnt climb to the plane, so boone went? Like he lost the ability to walk and couldnt stand.

Then he got shot in the leg in the same place in season 5.

Coincidence?
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Old 04-01-2010, 03:08 PM   #572
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I would say that's definitely a link and connection yes.

But another similar situation that I think is more significant is the fact that he fell down the well on-island and broke the fuck out of his leg. This was a way of The Island taking away his ability to walk so that once again, in the real world, he was bound to a wheel chair.

Just need to decode what all these things mean I guess.
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I kind of want to watch the earlier episodes this season to see if there is more links that we missed
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yea, that's what I've been wanting to do. Look for little shit. Like I learned yesterday that the girl who was bit by that spider or whatever and was buried alive appeared in a later episode for like 30 seconds on a game show that was on TV someone was watching.
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so speaking of the "bleeding through" ... sun was shot in the stomach in the alternate reality. Im wondering why nothing else happened to her in real time
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yea, that's what I've been wanting to do. Look for little shit. Like I learned yesterday that the girl who was bit by that spider or whatever and was buried alive appeared in a later episode for like 30 seconds on a game show that was on TV someone was watching.
There's always been little bits like that though. It's not new to this season. For example, you can see Hurley when he won the lottery on the TV in Korea during a Jin/Sun flashback way back in season 1 I think.

One of the best things about LOST is trying to work out what is important and what is just thrown in there. For example, I was thinking on the end of season 4 when Locke turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel and the island completely disappeared. That never sat right with me. If the island moved in time it wouldn't move physically from 2004...unless of course it had sunk in 1977.

Problem is I can't work out what that means, what are the rammifications for the rest of the show if there is a direct link there.

There's definately something in these "Moments In The Mirror" this season. Each character has a moment of reflection - seemingly remembering something - when looking in a mirror. Sun in this latest episode, Jack on the plane in the season opener, Locke in the bathroom when he decides not to contact Jack, etc.
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Yet....

edit: This is to Reavant. Maybe that bullet catches up to Sun.

And maybe by making the choice in one reality to help Alex, helped change ben to come back to Ilana.
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The Island didnt move in time, just the losties.....but the Island dis vanish....So its like so confusing. ALso, they need to explain why they were dislodged in time.

Or were they dislodged in reality?
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Well, yeah, the people are moving but that makes even less sense as to why the island itself disappeared. Unless it was already sunk and this point.
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The Island didnt move in time, just the losties.
I know that has been said before, but where did you remember this from? - I personally don't believe that it was just the losties who moved in time, I believe it was the Island, but not the Island as a piece of land, as an entity. So whenever it moved back in the past, way back, things like the statue were standing, camps were not there, other people were there etc (remember in season 5, early episode, possibly the first one, Sawyer and co were attacked by people with flaming arrows. I don't think they were The Others, I believe that were the primitive people who actually built the statue and made all the Hieroglyphics on the walls)


There are other inconsistencies that I can't get my head around, here is a question/situation that I cannot figure out...

- During season 2, we saw that the losties were getting drops from Dharma, food, supplies etc, all labelled, with a parachute. So why would they still be getting supply drops in 2004 when Dharma had long since been purged?

- At the same time, Eloise Hawking revealed to the people who went back that the reason why they were never rescued was because THE ISLAND was constanty moving?!?

....yet no flashes, no one going mental or dying from the headaches, yet somehow, a plane with supplies managed to drop off supplies???!
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so speaking of the "bleeding through" ... sun was shot in the stomach in the alternate reality. Im wondering why nothing else happened to her in real time
Give it time?
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OK Kano, good shit.

So if Ben spinning the donkey wheel sinks the island, what about when locke does it?
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Well I assumed that the Dharma people would know where to drop supplies, as they know where the island would be, as they made the Lamppost station.

Now why they would stil be gettign supplies 12 years after the purge, I have no idea.
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Well I assumed that the Dharma people would know where to drop supplies, as they know where the island would be, as they made the Lamppost station.

Now why they would stil be gettign supplies 12 years after the purge, I have no idea.
Good point. I forgot that DHARMA made the Lamp Post, mainly because Eloise was the leader of 'The Others'. There is something significant about her purely for the fact that when Desmond was traveling through time in season 3 (Flashes Before Your Eyes), she KNEW what he was meant to do, and taught us, the viewer, about 'Course Correction'. To me that is major because she is someone or part of something bigger at work that knows whats meant to happen, yet she existed in the past when Desmond was slipping in and out of time.
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OK Kano, good shit.

So if Ben spinning the donkey wheel sinks the island, what about when locke does it?
Because Locke didn't actually turn it, he just put it back on it's axis, it was dislodged and that's why the time shifts were occurring. Ben can't even turn a wheel properly.
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Hold up.

We don't know that Ben turning the wheel sank the island. All we know is that the time shift occured due to the wheel being turned. It's been assumed that the submerged island we saw at the stat of this season was as a result of Jughead being exploded next to the pocket of energy. We arrive at this assumption due to what we see on the sunken island - it looks like 1970's island.
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^yeah that

Also, pretty sure the supply drops were due to the 108 minute thing.. that's why they never saw or heard the drop. They were inside their 'bubble' so to speak at the time. All that had to happen was an original drop had to take place, and then they could recycle that event every 108 minutes.

Of course, that's an "old school" LOST theory that I am unsure about now, as I'm not sure what parts of that theory are still legit now with this and last season's events.
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Are you saying there was a supply drop every 108 minutes?
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I think he means due to the clock hitting 00:00 and turning to the symbols.
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I suppose that does sound a bit much.

It was a theory going around on timelooptheory way back, about the inhabitants of the island living the same 108 minutes over and over again.. Just THEY did things differently.

As I said.. not sure what parts of that theory are still sound anymore.
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Actually, I think this may still be partially correct.

Basically, Desmond was pushing the button every 108 minutes and 'resetting' the island. The island was stuck in its own 'time', reliving those 108 minutes over and over again.

Like a broken record.

It's why Locke knew when it was going to rain exactly on cue.

But then, it got stopped.. and the island suddenly started moving through time normally again.
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Alright, so I've somewhat been keeping up with this thread and haven't seen this covered, but forgive me if it has. Or even if I'm just completely off.

If Jack showed us that the candidates can't die, then how could Locke? Would it just be because he was off island at the time? But even then it would seem as if the island's "will" extends beyond itself.
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Actually, I think this may still be partially correct.

Basically, Desmond was pushing the button every 108 minutes and 'resetting' the island. The island was stuck in its own 'time', reliving those 108 minutes over and over again.

Like a broken record.

It's why Locke knew when it was going to rain exactly on cue.

But then, it got stopped.. and the island suddenly started moving through time normally again.
that means it would rain ever 108 minutes.

Think not
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It doesn't anymore. Also, I think it is based on WHERE on the island you are, as to how much time really goes by.

That is part of what Faraday was doing with his test with the rocket when he got there. Trying to find the point with the least delay.
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Actually, I think this may still be partially correct.

Basically, Desmond was pushing the button every 108 minutes and 'resetting' the island. The island was stuck in its own 'time', reliving those 108 minutes over and over again.

Like a broken record.

It's why Locke knew when it was going to rain exactly on cue.

But then, it got stopped.. and the island suddenly started moving through time normally again.
I don't know how or where you could suggest that Desmond pressing the button every 108 min kept them in a loop-hole record thing.

The broken record analgy was used by Farraday to illustrate the Wheel being off its axis, going back and forth through time.

'Blowing the dam' was said by Kelvin to Desmond with regard to the use and function of turning the fail-safe key. Pressing the button was a way of keeping the pressure on the dam, although it was also explained as releasing a small amount of power so that it didn't overflow as it were.

And which time are you talking about Locke knowing when it was going to rain? before or after he was possessed by the MIB or after? because he has done it a few times in the early seasons, and even if it was after (as MIB), he has a connection to the Island and it's nature. The creators have also said that rain/storms are akin, linked and represent the MIB.
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Yeah, that 108 minute loop theory doesn't really hold any water anymore (pun intended).
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Alright, so I've somewhat been keeping up with this thread and haven't seen this covered, but forgive me if it has. Or even if I'm just completely off.

If Jack showed us that the candidates can't die, then how could Locke? Would it just be because he was off island at the time? But even then it would seem as if the island's "will" extends beyond itself.
It's an odd one for sure.

We've seen instances where certain individuals can't die because "the island won't let them" as it isn't done with them yet. See Michael's off island experiences for reference.

Then again, as you note, Locke died and he was off-island like Michael. Could it have something to do with another candidate (Ben) killing him?
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I think this just shows that Locke had played his part.
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They can't kill themselves. Doesn't mean someone else can't do it.

Not really 'not letting them die'. I think that is a misconception. I think ANYONE can die. They just can't kill themselves.
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Thought "can't kill themselves" applied to just Richard though, as part of his deal with Jacob? Though you're probably right, since no ones actually gone through with trying to kill themselves (I think), it'd be a little hard to prove that wrong
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